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p.107 #1 · Mustang Air to Air


Hi!

Working quite a lot, but fortunate enough to have a few days off during the Axalp show! Now browsing through thousands of shots to find a keeper or two...

-dolfo



Oct 20, 2007 at 06:42 PM
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Never thought i'd find someone on here that knows about and went up to Axalp. Dolfo it looks like you were up there Thursday? Nice shot. I had less luck Friday and Wednesday.


Oct 21, 2007 at 03:53 AM
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Sam_S wrote:
Never thought i'd find someone on here that knows about and went up to Axalp. Dolfo it looks like you were up there Thursday? Nice shot. I had less luck Friday and Wednesday.


No, thursday I stayed around LSMM (and still regret not having been at the show). I climbed the mountain on Monday and Wednesday. First time there, lots of things to learn. Will do better next year, I hope!

everybody says Thursday was THE day....



-dolfo



Oct 21, 2007 at 04:17 AM
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esa17 wrote:

Hey guys,
I'm freshly back from my first commercial charter flight in a twin engine airplane. Actually, this was my first flight in my nearly 30 hours of twin time without an instructor on board. At about 8,500 4 miles east of Greenville Texas I felt a shudder and knew something wasn't right. Upon looking at my engine gauges I saw a distinct lack of oil pressure on the left side. My passenger about that time brought it to my attention that the left engine was puking oil all over the outside of the cowl. I feathered the prop, idled the
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I am still catching up on this thread, and have not made it to the end yet, but thought I would hop in on this one.

I am a center controller at Minneapolis Center (eastern nebraska, nw iowa), and I have what is the likely explanation for the controller bugging you about the phone number for the down time.

On any emergency, we are required to get a down time. This is also a time when our supervisors get anxious - because if we do not get the down time, they have to do a bit of work tracking someone down. They also take heat from the watch manager, who would also have to get involved tracking someone down if we do not get a down time somewhat promptly.

Don't misunderstand, it is important to both you and us to get that time asap - we need to begin to act asap in the case of an aircraft not arriving safely. (happened twice to me in my 17 years as a controller). We do not want controllers to be complacent in these situations, just assuming that the call will come at some point or another.

My best guess is that there was a sup bugging the controller about this, wanting to make sure he did not have to try to track you down, and the controller was doing what he was told. We are in a strange situation in our working environment, and are often much more on edge than we ever used to be, because of our labor relations at the moment. This means that some may forget briefly how much grief they might be causing the pilot at the time with repeated requests/transmissions.

I have many stories about these types of situations, and it is always a difficult call from our side on how much and when to bug the pilot. The more experience on our side, the better, but the increased pressures for the past couple of years might make some of us get it a bit wrong from time to time, and for that I apologize to all.

For the most part, though, you will not find a group of people who are absolutely concerned about and committed to the safety of those we serve.

If any of you are flying in the area from MCW - FSD - ONL - GRI - TKO - PWE - SUX - DSM - MCW, and it is not too busy, ask if JN is working - that is me.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread, it is absolutely amazing. I hope to get out to one of our local fields and try to come just a little close to what you guys have shown here!



Oct 22, 2007 at 11:16 AM
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dolfo wrote:
No, thursday I stayed around LSMM (and still regret not having been at the show). I climbed the mountain on Monday and Wednesday. First time there, lots of things to learn. Will do better next year, I hope!

everybody says Thursday was THE day....



-dolfo


Thursday at LSMM? I was in LSMM too. Where did you stay/ hang out? I was, at the beginning by the gate by the road that crosses the airfield, and then moved along down the runway for the landings. I was the guy with the 40D and 100-400L. Hope we'll see some shots from LSMM from you.

Sam,



Oct 22, 2007 at 01:49 PM
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Thursday at LSMM? I was in LSMM too. Where did you stay/ hang out? I was, at the beginning by the gate by the road that crosses the airfield, and then moved along down the runway for the landings. I was the guy with the 40D and 100-400L. Hope we'll see some shots from LSMM from you.

Sam,



Well of course we woke up late and missed the morning ops at Meiringen... Just a few shots on final app of RW 10.
http://www.pbase.com/dolfo/image/87385697.jpg

On the afternoon we elected to climb the mountain by the base to get some different perspective.
http://www.pbase.com/dolfo/image/87388938.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/dolfo/image/87152072.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/dolfo/image/87069961.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/dolfo/image/87679224.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/dolfo/image/87069960.jpg

By the time we arrived at LSMM again most planes had already returned, we just got to see the last 8th Staffel Tiger crawling back to his mountain hideout. No pics of that.

Maybe you were on this group of eager photographers walking to the Tiger's den just before afternoon ops?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2145/1695651574_a7b1ea398d_o.jpg

Or by the crossroad?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/1694802745_d637991a79_o.jpg

Or maybe at the runway intersection?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/1695652324_2d2296cab3_o.jpg

By the way, this is me at the top of Tschingel on wed.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2183/1687903256_1b8298fe8c.jpg

All the best!

-dolfo



Oct 22, 2007 at 02:27 PM
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damnrookie wrote:
For the most part, though, you will not find a group of people who are absolutely concerned about and committed to the safety of those we serve.


JN, you might want to revise this sentence. I'm sure you meant we wouldn't find another group of people who are as absolutely concerned about our safety, but it sure doesn't read like that.

I've never met a controller I didn't like, so I figured you might find the correction useful in this case.



Oct 22, 2007 at 04:21 PM
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Dear JN,

Thanks for joining our thread, and thanks for your insight from behind the mic. You guys are amazing, I can't imagine what you must feel like at the end of a shift. You'll notice an occasional post from one of the finest men (and controllers) I've had the pleasure to know, Bryan Martin. Bryan is often the Gentleman who lets me out and brings me back to TKI, my home base. If I'm on a local flight, even though I have TCAD in two of the four planes, Bryan and the other Guys give me traffic alerts and even a weather update occasionally. Aside from the safety issues, you guys become our friends and a voice we look forward to when we get in range. The "have a great trip", or "welcome home" means a lot to us who ply the airways. I remember one particularly long flight home from Chicago, my Mom had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and I had spent the week with her in The Windy City as she slipped into a coma, my wheels touched down and Bryan's friendly assuring voice came over my headset, "Welcome home 7JW!" I've told Bryan, that just kind of got me.

Thanks for what you do on our behalf! Hope to hear your voice in my David Clarks one of these days.

JW







Oct 22, 2007 at 05:54 PM
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Dolfo!

You are all over the place man. I can't believe the ground you cover in a years time. Great shots as always.

Jim



Oct 22, 2007 at 10:52 PM
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dolfo, very interesting perspective,something different, I like em!

I can readily agree with JN and his comments regarding why things happened the way they did. Major CYA coming from management these days which hardly contributes to a good (or altogether safe IMHO) environment. They've got people worrying about small details more than the big ones. Unfortunate, but that's the reality. On the other hand, things are bound to get better sooner or later. I just couldn't stick around long enough to see it. I sure enjoyed working for the pilots, but don't miss for one second the rest of the job. ( 5 months retired from ZOB)

I guess I only point this out to those who are pilots on this board as an FYI as to the "new" environment in the FAA. For instance, on the off chance you might bust your altitude by 300 feet one day and get questioned about it, would save you a lot of grief if you just get back where you belong right away and say you were level all along. No harm, no foul that way. Otherwise, controllers are under a huge obligation to make a report nobody wants or needs. That wasn't always the case before, but it is now. If I had a nickel for every time I saw it happen and said no problem, altimeter 2-9-9-2, maintain 8,000........ not such a good idea for those guys anymore. Big headache if someone pulls the tape.

If some think I may exagerate, check out the current news story about NASA not willing to release the resutls of their pilot survey. No doubt somebody would be more interested in punishing for errors than figuring out ways to prevent them. Even so, it's a pretty safe system all in all because the overwhelming majority of those involved are very committed to safety and there are a lot of extra margins intentionally built in.

Be safe and have fun out there guys and galls!

Eric



Oct 22, 2007 at 11:43 PM
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I've had 30 years ATC experience and it has changed over the years. These times too will pass I hope. I have known a few controllers over the years that have lost the passion for it and seem grouchy, but they're very few and far between. Really the last thing we want is to write anyone up. I must say. I only speak from military and smaller facility experience where a phone call or face to face used to fix 99% of most problems no matter which side of the window it came from. These day's we're forced to tow the line more and more.
As far as the controller wanting to make sure you had the number and instructions to call, I can only guess at the reason. You were IFR and declared an emergency with Center landing at another airport he needs to know that you made it safe on deck. Otherwise he's gonna start some major 911 to the last point of radar contact. The GVT tower personnel are L3 Comm. contract controllers (great people btw) but pull some odd work hours and the center controller may not have someone there to call if the the tower wasn't open to relay that you made it. Veteran controllers know the old saying "aviate, navagate then communicate". I'm betting you had a handful of Aviate at the time. If he asked you 3 times, then I'm sure he had 2 guy's hanging over his shoulder bugging him and these day's you do what the boss tells you to do. If you were talking to DFW approach, I dont think they have any way to contact GVT Tower (it's just outside their boundry), so you calling them was the only thing keeping them from pulling the 911 trigger. Either way, good recovery.

JW- Buddy, your just too kind, Thank You. I read all the post's and follow your praises... I dont respond a lot because I'm not a shooter and dont want to clutter up the thread. ( But I did take the one of Jim about to get run over by the F-18 Hornet. Good thing he loaned me a Camera with autopilot.) There are so many great posters on here, It's amazing. Thank You everyone, we're not all photographers, some of us just never got over that little boy fascination of looking at airplanes. For you Flyers, If you ever get to "the Biggest Little Airport in Texas" You'll always get a "Welcome" from me.
Bryan



Oct 23, 2007 at 03:21 AM
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Good Morning Bryan,

Well said! We're overdue for lunch or something. I guess you'll have plenty of time after 7 am on the 30th! I need to bring you some Photoshop tutorials or something to keep you awake.

JW


By the way guys, here's a Bryan Martin original....







Oct 23, 2007 at 08:16 AM
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Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
JN, you might want to revise this sentence. I'm sure you meant we wouldn't find another group of people who are as absolutely concerned about our safety, but it sure doesn't read like that.

I've never met a controller I didn't like, so I figured you might find the correction useful in this case.


No intent on my part to disparage anyone, just wanted to represent the controller workforce. I think about it from time to time what we must sound like - when we are busy, when we are a little miffed at those behind us, or even just when we are thinking about something else that is also going on. I know I sometimes come off as being short with people in person when I am preoccupied, hopefully it doesn't sound too bad on the freq!

Thanks for the note, and for offering a clarification!

I only have a few airliner images at present, but am hoping to get out more in the next year to one of our local fields to find some more interesting shots.



Oct 23, 2007 at 10:15 AM
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Dear JN,

Thanks for joining our thread, and thanks for your insight from behind the mic. You guys are amazing, I can't imagine what you must feel like at the end of a shift. You'll notice an occasional post from one of the finest men (and controllers) I've had the pleasure to know, Bryan Martin. Bryan is often the Gentleman who lets me out and brings me back to TKI, my home base. If I'm on a local flight, even though I have TCAD in two of the four planes, Bryan and the other Guys give me traffic alerts and even
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I have noticed Bryan's comments - this has been a great find for me. I grew up as a military brat, have always loved watching aircraft, and now get to do my thing every day.

I wish I had aircraft images to share, but I only have a few airliner shots that are not on this machine. I hope to get out to a couple of our local fields now that I have just purchased a 100-400 IS. It has been great for the soccer field, and I can't wait to try it out in other circumstances.

Here are a couple of shots from 9/12/01, though. The night shots are actually about 5:30 a.m., showing the blockade and police presence around our facility.

The blue sky shot is what remained after an F16 from Duluth took a hard turn and headed quickly north about noon on 9/12. My house usually sees quite a few aircraft on final for MSP, although they are generally high enough that there is not much noise. On this day, it was definitely strange to see nothing in the sky, and then have this F16 pilot hit the throttle and bust out of the cap he was flying over Mpls.

Jim








Oct 23, 2007 at 10:29 AM
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xy - I am jealous! I am 7 and a half years away, but hopefully the environment changes again and I feel differently than I do today.

Good advice for our pilot friends, too. It is a little more nerve wracking thinking about how big brother might be checking up on every little thing that happens in the sector.



Oct 23, 2007 at 01:03 PM
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Bryan - great to hear a guy can hang in there as long as you have! I am 17 years in as of Jan 08, and still truly enjoy the job. Wish I had the good fortune to have windows to look out, but that's the way it goes.

Thanks again to JW for starting this thread, and to all those who have offered such great images and comments along the way. I am still lagging by about 30 pages, so I am going back to try to catch up!



Oct 23, 2007 at 01:07 PM
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JN- Welcome to the site. Take your time catching up, the pics are too beautiful to rush through them. Calling them pics almost sounds degrading, they're more "art" than pics. I did 20 in the Navy (3 ship and 4 Shore tours) I retired as the last Navy Tower Chief at Miramar. I've worked at SNS and now TKI FCT's. We have to love it because they sure don't pay enough. You cant beat the view from my office windows though.


Oct 23, 2007 at 09:01 PM
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Bryan, did you spend any time with Sturgell, the guy nominated to take over for Blakey at the FAA? His bio says he was a FWS instructor. If so, any personal, biased opinions that you're willing to share on an open forum?


Oct 24, 2007 at 01:58 AM
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I agree, Bryan, they are definitely art. I sat through several pages last night with my oldest son, who is a senior in hs. What a good time just taking a look at these things.

That is an impressive career, to stay the least. Congrats on that, and thank you.



Oct 24, 2007 at 07:39 AM
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The pictures and posts are still amazing on here, love reading all of them. Next year I'm really going to try to get to a couple of air shows. Mira Mar would be one I'd love to go to but it'd be a two day drive. What web sites or info is out there to find out about air shows for next year ? especially the one's you can get really close if that's possible in the US any more. I have heard of one just over the US border in British Columbia or something like that that is real kool and have alot of planes from different countries and suff.

~Bill~







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