c5gowin wrote:
It will take some getting use to mentally keeping track of f-stops and all of the other things that come with a mostly manual camera. It has been many years since I have done that, but I am looking forward to it.
Although I don't really agree with Fred banning Sean. I must admit I don't know why Sean continued to insist on having his way on someone else's site. He's the one who owns it.
If someone walked into my house and insisted on having conversations that I didn't like I might ask him to change the topic. If he kept coming back to my house and doing the same thing, I will eventually not even allow him to visit.
This is his house.
But in all fairness, adults should be able to work out their differences and accomodate each other. But sometimes even adults act like children.
According to a certain pay-for review that I don't dare mention here, the CV 15 looks astonishingly good on the M8. A nice, smooth tonal scale but with a sense of depth and presence. Not overdone, but also not flat. This little pancake lens may well be one of the two big sleepers for the M8 (the other one being the CV 28/3.5)... Vignetting is just barely visible and not nearly as 'in your face' as with that certain other digital rangefinder camera.
I hope the CV 15 performs well on the M8. I have the 15mm and it will make a decent wide angle when you have the light to shoot it. On film, it was at its optimum at 5.6.
I am glad to hear good things about the CV 15. I will definitely get one. I may also get the CV 50, 1.5 Nokton as an inexpensive alternative to the Leica 50 1.4 Summilux ASPH. It did pretty good in Sean's comparison of 50mm.
Guy Mancuso wrote:
Maybe i should have got the silver.
Hey Guy
I am so excited that I just had to write to tell you the great news. My M8 will be at my door next Wednesday, in time to take to Arizona for the Digital Printing Summit with Alain Briot, Uwe Steinmuller and Joseph Holmes. I am so pumped up about the first guy to be able to photograph the Arizona (Navajo) slot canyons with the M8. If others are not familiar with this venue, the entrances to the slots are extremely narrow and getting into them with a full bag of DMR/R9 kit is a real pain in the ...back. I am now going in with six lenses and one body that barely weighs 12 pounds, bag included. I will certainly post my results and hopefully be able to contribute to the knowledge base of this group of wonderful photographers. I am sure that all others who are receiving this body will also add their images immediately to show what the M8 can do in the hands of skilled imagers.
So Kidigital and Zaknat, who are just ahead of me in the list of M8 deliveries, I expect great things from you.
Thanks to Sean for his (always) insightful reviews and helpful advice. I am heeding most of what you say and will be taking the following lenses to see how they react in this intense contrasty light of the Az desert.
Zeiss 25, 28 and 35.
Leica 21, 24 asph, 35 cron asph, 50 cron and 50 Noctilux and 90 APO/Asph
Voightlander 15 4.5
Somewhere in all of this glass/electronics menagerie we should find some images to fully evaluate and discuss. Glad I can be at the forfront of the discussions. Makes me grateful and proud
I would also include the 35 lux and the 50 lux but they are at the factory being given the 6 bit coding. After seeing Seans photos of the vignetting correction attributable to the M8 I am really glad I sent these major primes in for the upgrade.
Guy Mancuso wrote:
Melissa since you bring it up , i have a lot of respect for Sean and him as a person and also a shooter/writer. ...
Let's get past this and hopefully you and Fred can talk some more and come to a better understanding and this could be reversed .
My Best Guy
Guy, that is the essential point. It would speak well to everyone involved.
As to your point on your signature line, to the extent there was a thread discussing workshops in Mexico and you answered people's questions, that would be the equivalent of Sean responding to inquiries with respect to a thread on the M8. In both instances, that would seem perfectly appropriate -- and no value judgements on the relative value of each.
I am in the group that does not understand why you have been permitted to keep your signature line all these months, while someone else was banished and erased. And to the extent that these off topic conversations are being allowed, I do think it is important that all viewpoints are allowed to be expressed. And to the extent that gets me banished and erased, so be it.
To the extent that you can use your value on this site to help people see reason, that would speak to the qualities that we all see in you and that make your posts so enjoyable to read. I hope you will choose to use your voice (in private or public) to help resolve the situation.
kosmoskatten wrote:
I haven't been monitoring this thread for some time and though there seems to have been some turbulence I chime in - in support of Fred Miranda. He draws the line, which is fine with me. It must have been a tough call but I do think it is a just one and in accordance with the forum rules as set out by him. Though Sean Reid will be missed by some it is a thorn in the eye to some that a person is allowed to promote his own paysite on a regular basis in member threads. Though I find SR to be a very thoughtful individual I also find the posting in threads with constant referral to his own paysite for more info bordering to baiting.
Also, there are still an abundance of informative and to FM highly contributive members who are willing to share their wisdom for free which I believe is a good foundation for a no-holds-barred discussion.
BACK ON TRACK:
With the growing numbers of M8's hitting the dealers in droves I am hoping to see some shots posted - right here, right soon. And some input to us who are eager to learn more about what's going on in the alternative digital arena.
Edited by kosmoskatten on Nov 02, 2006 at 12:10 AM GMT...Show more →
Well said kosmo...
I stand behind Fred as well and his decision. This is his site and he can do whatever he wants to. Including doing the right thing.
There are plenty of other sites where people can go for a Reid fix. I for one like the fact that this site stands as a singular oasis for free speech and free thought. The M8 will be in MANY hands soon and many people will offer great insight and wonderful photos...not just one person. I look forward to those future discussions.
Edited by newyorkone on Nov 02, 2006 at 12:30 AM GMT
Now imagine a week in the backcountry with a body, a half dozen spare batteries, and 3-4 lenses doing landscape photography. There's a reason I want an M8 with pancake lenses!
With all due respect, Sean was given ample opportunity to play by Fred's rules, but he chose to play by his own. Occurrences like this are how rules are borne, and our Rules page now has a fresh update.
If any of you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to PM Fred with your concerns. The Alternative Forum is not the venue for such public discussions.
Thanks for your understanding, and have a good evening.
Guy Mancuso wrote:
i am here in Tulsa with about 180 lbs of gear. My lights alone are 64 lbs, yea overweight payments were made.
A little off topic, but has anyone watched someone the size of a luggage tug pay a ticket and get on a plane, while you get dinged $$$ for overweight gear that weighs a small fraction of the person in front of you? There really should be a per-passenger weight limit and you get on the scale with all your gear and luggage. If the combined weight is more than the limit you pay a charge. Really, what is the difference between a 300 lb. person and a 100 lb. person carrying 200 lb. of gear?
anybody heard if there are also M8-shipments in Germany allready?
I am kind of frustrated that thea are produced here in the first ones seem to go to other countries.
I am also glad that the 15mm M8 images which is shown on Seanīs site looks pretty good to me. I have ordered the 15 CV and I might even skip the Tri-Elmar.
I hope to get my 24 today. Those of you who get the M8....give us some images here.
cheers, tom
Holger received on from Leica-bei-Meister in Berlin, and his was just the first *silver* version. It is possible that someone else has already got the first black version. I would say that they seem to arrive at the same time as the ones in Paris. Shipping delays probably account for any minor differences.
Just curious, what country is the M8 actually manufactured (more likely just assembled)? I thought I read it was Portugal. I assume the electronics could be made in other places as well.
There's a reason I want an M8 with pancake lenses! 