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p.1 #1 · Capture One LE


I need some opinions on the LE versus the full version. If using for general RAW conversion, how does this work in comparison to the Canon converter? Are there any drawbacks to this version you can shed some light on? I've heard that this version is much better than Canon's converter. Please enlighten me.

Thanks, Marshall Burroughs



Jul 18, 2003 at 08:12 PM
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p.1 #2 · Capture One LE


Hi Marshall, I use C1LE and love it. I've tried BreezeBrowser (even bought it), Powershovel II (free and worth a look - comes bundled with a very good sharpening program) and SharpRaw (in my gut, I feel this may be the best of the bunch but the user interface makes me crazy). I admittedly skipped right over the Canon converter. I highly recommend C1LE for non-pros unless you've got a bunch of cash lying around to spend then I'd recommend the Pro version . The work flow is intuitive and the results are very, very nice. All 4 of the conversion programs I've mentioned have versions to d/l free if you'd like to try them out (and Powershovel II is just free to begin with and produces very nice results - I often like the colors better from this program than the others!). All-in-all tho, considering ease of use and results, C1LE for me is the winner. Another plus with C1LE is the fantastic support from Picture Flow and Michael Tapes. They've got a very nice forum.

Cheers!



Jul 18, 2003 at 09:10 PM
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p.1 #3 · Capture One LE


The full version has some bells and whistles, primarily devoted to efficiency in studio use, really. The LE version has all the base development functionality from what I can tell (I've so far just spent time evaluating both).

Another good option is Breeze Browser (a.k.a. "BB", see www.breezesys.com). Like the Canon converter, it uses the Canon SDK, and suffers from some conversion speed drawbacks, but it has a lot of really nice features, and the price is sure right ($45 with lifetime free upgrades).

The Canon converter is painfully slow and very limited in features -- if $45 won't hurt you right now, go for BB. Even if you do end up with C1, having BB for initial picture sorting/copying/proofing and it's quickie HTML generation are worth the $45 easily. Both BB and C1 simply blow the doors off the Canon FVU.

C1 has some more sophisticated features for dialing in pictures, but nothing that you can't do in Photoshop (PS). If you are weak in PS, I'd suggest C1 (it will take a bit to learn -- the UI is a bit odd, and the doco sucks eggs), but it's not too hard to get on top of. If you are already well familiar with PS, BB takes only a few minutes to pretty much completely figure out, and is very competent.

In any case, the first time you have 500 shots you need to process in a session, you will immediately at least fork over the $45 for BB! And, both BB and C1 have limited time trial periods, so if you have time, there is no excuse for not at least checking them out.

-- Chris



Jul 18, 2003 at 09:11 PM
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p.1 #4 · Capture One LE


Thanks, I appreciate the comments AK and Chris. I was kinda leaning towards the C1 but just wanted to hear it from someone personally. I'll probably get BB and C1 to have the best of both worlds. I've been using PShop for many years. No problem in doing what I need there. With PS you are always learning though.

By the way AKClimber, the eagle you snapped in your yard the other day was an interesting shot. I think he likes you. Very nice shot indeed. The pair was great also, but, the Eagle taking in flight was as good as I've seen. Excellant work. Look forward to seeing more sometime.

Marshall



Jul 18, 2003 at 09:24 PM
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p.1 #5 · Capture One LE


Marshall, You won't regret the C1LE and BB in combo. A wise choice! If you feel like playing around, Powershovel and the Sharpcontrol program (also available free separately) combo are worth checking out too. As is SharpRaw if the interface doesn't drive you to drink.

Thanks so much for the kind words re the eagle photos Hopefully they'll be more to come. I just discovered that eagles can't tell the difference between me and my (OK, my wife's) horse if we're walking alongside eachother. Earlier this week I had a pair of eagles let us walk within 20(!) feet of them while they dined on a salmon. Never would have happened if I had been alone. Unfortunately, my 300 f/4 is in for repairs so I didn't have a camera with me or I might have been able to better that eagle taking flight image!

Cheers and stay tuned!



Jul 18, 2003 at 09:37 PM
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p.1 #6 · Capture One LE


I can't seem to be able to browse the photos off the camera with capture one, only files on the computer I can browse. Am I missing something here?


Jul 19, 2003 at 11:44 AM
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p.1 #7 · Capture One LE


William - why would you want to browse files on the camera anyway? You're communicating over USB1.1 so any file operations are going to go deathly slow.

Copy to the computer, then do your image management.

As for disadvantages for C1LE over C1 - the only one I've run into is that LE has a limit of 20 images in the batch processing queue at one time. I've only hit this limit once ... and could probably have avoided that if I did conversions locally (I do them over SMB shares) so the queue flushed out faster.




Jul 19, 2003 at 12:22 PM
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p.1 #8 · Capture One LE


Dave:

Is that the case also with a slower machine? I tended to leave 400+ files in Yarc for converting unattended... now with C1LE seems i need to be there the whole time. Too bad Yarc doesnt support the 10d anymore.

Thanks!

Hector



Jul 20, 2003 at 04:44 AM
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p.1 #9 · Capture One LE


You can get round the 20 File batch limit by writing a recursive script -- it's a bit fiddly -- this is where LINUX scores as Windows scripting is a real DOG.
You might be able to write a VB program

I'm not a programmer but this method works
1) Split your input up into folders of 20 photos each
2) execute your script with parameter folder name. You can use an input file to dynamically create your folder names. This will execute the CI program the requisite number of times to convert all your input.

The script should run for the number of 20 file folders you have.

You can also use some type of keyboard recording / macro strokes if you need complicated keyboard input as well. -- Lotus Screencam or similar will do.


Fiddly but it works. REXX is easy for scripting on Windows, otherwise try PERL --any body who has messed around with UNIX / LINUX should have some knowledge of this and it works on Windows as well or PYTHON (Windows -- not sure if it works)

I'm sure there might be easier and better methods but you get the idea.





Jul 20, 2003 at 04:59 AM
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p.1 #10 · Capture One LE


I am in the process of evaluating C1LE. Initially, I work a lot with BB + PS combo for taking D30 RAW. Realizing once I get into 10D, things have to be changed. I know a little bit about PS so C1LE poses no problem for me. But, afaik, it cannot resize JPEG output so I may still rely on BB and PS in certain way. It is a learning process. I don't know if I could over it 15 days later.


Griffin.



Jul 20, 2003 at 10:12 AM
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p.1 #11 · Capture One LE


kyle wrote:
I'm not a programmer but this method works
1) Split your input up into folders of 20 photos each
2) execute your script with parameter folder name. You can use an input file to dynamically create your folder names. This will execute the CI program the requisite number of times to convert all your input.



If anyone has created such a script for Windows XP I would be interested in trying it out.



Jul 25, 2003 at 06:10 PM
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p.1 #12 · Capture One LE


Would not such a script require that C1LE is capable of accepting command line parameters?

I'm pretty certain I recall a post on the PictureFlow support forum from Michael Tapes in which he said command line parameters could not be used.

Regards,



Jul 26, 2003 at 10:56 AM
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p.1 #13 · Capture One LE


I use BB and am reasonably good with PS7

Are the C1LE RAW conversions better/sharper/more adaptable BECAUSE it doesnt use the Canon SDK?

For ultimate quality should it be C1LE or BB + PS7?



Jul 26, 2003 at 11:24 AM
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p.1 #14 · Capture One LE


I find it depends on the image at hand. I feel I get better results from C1LE than BB + PS6 for most of my images.

It is one of personal choice and workflow.

Take care,



Jul 26, 2003 at 12:03 PM
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p.1 #15 · Capture One LE


Will it handle G5 RAW files?


Jul 26, 2003 at 12:17 PM
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p.1 #16 · Capture One LE


I have been using C1 LE for quite some time now and I initially thought that I would have problems with the 20 picture limit.

However, I found that while using C1, I do lots more correction to each image then and there and the 20 picture limit isn't all that bad.

Also, I don't convert all the pictures I take anymore. Just the ones I like/need for some reason or another. Given that I can see what I can do with levels/curves/saturation adjustments, I don't have to convert it to see what it looks like.

So I guess my workflow adapted itself to the limitations of C1LE, but I think I like it better that way.

And if I really need to batch convert, I still have YP and BB on my machine (BB does a very good job of web page stuff if you tweak the templates).



Jul 26, 2003 at 12:33 PM
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p.1 #17 · Capture One LE


Geez, dhphoto, "ultimate quality" is quite the qualifier. I don't think anyone could seriously argue that you can't get excellent quality either way. It's a matter of what software you have and are experienced with, the time you want to spend, and where you spend it. If one doesn't have PS7, or hasn't spend the appreciable amount of time it takes to get up to speed with it (and, more so, efficient with it), I don't think there is any question that C1 is the way to go. On the other hand, if you are fully up to speed with PS7, and have a toolkit of plugins for it, I don't think it matters what converter you use, you can always tweak in PS to render that extra little something. As examples I give the plug-in version of NeatImage and n-level hand sharpening, added touches that can be done in PS that no converter offers.

Aside from one's status with PS, I think it matters a whole lot what you shoot and what you do with the pictures. When I am shooting for enjoyment (my kids, macro, whatever), I tend to shoot relatively sparingly, and discard 90 percent of those shots, and only bother with a few that of those . I then convert using BB and handwork each photo using PS. I spend a fair amount of time on each photo, and usually print at 8"x10".

When shooting portraits, I use the same process. Just not that many keepers.

When shooting events, I usually end up with 150-500 photos, and then there is no way I'm going to spend that kind of time per photo. I do a quick two pass to discard the muffed shots using BB (first pass to get rid of stupid stuff, second getting picky about photos of people of which I know I have several good shots), then just use the quckie features of BB to generate HTML with a couple templates I made to burn picture CD-R's (and/or ULEAD's DVD PictureShow software). That's working straight from the JPEG's for speed, with the minimal enhancements BB offers. I then handwork ordered prints as above. C1 might deliver slightly better looking proofs, but the batch limit is too painful, and while BB is slow it converting RAW files, it simply rocks when your JPEGs are good enough for the job -- that baby cranks out a simple HTML presentation of the JPEGs of hundreds of pictures in minutes flat.

I've experienced two uses for which I feel I would be better off with C1: two trips to the zoo and an extended family vacation. Both generated too many "keeper" pictures for me to want to do a hand work-up in PS on all of them, yet I believe I could get better "out of the converter" results with C1 than BB, mostly because of the better color rendition and sharpening.

All the above said, I must say I'm sitting on two jobs, my last trip to the zoo, and an extended family vacation in Northern Wisconsin, which I really wish I had developed and posted to the family (I have a Ceiva frame at both grandmonthers's and one grandfather's house, and usually send prints to the West Coast relies). If I were using C1, I'd probably be done with those by now as I wouldn't be facing the kind of PS time they will require in my current workflow.

I guess in summary, for ultimate quality, I believe no converter features substitute for handwork in PS if you have the experience and PS toolkit, and either converter is sufficient as a base. However, to get the "best JPEG out of the RAW" without PS, it's clear that C1 is the winner, particularly if you work on the color profiling (I have not done this, but the results have been posted here by others). Also, with BB, to get any kind of efficiency, you'd best be pretty spot on in exposure and WB when shooting. That's my style anyway, so it fits, but were I to just always trust the evaluative metering in the 10D and AWB, BB would leave me far too much PS work, or be too painfully slow to use in fixing things during the conversion. On the other hand, if your exposure and WB are very close, nothing touches the "get JPEG proofs out the door quick" features of BB.

The good thing is that for the prices of C1LE and BB, the purchase price is pretty irrelevant in comparison to the time it takes to dial yourself in on using either/both of them. Even if I do end up switching mostly to C1 in the long run, BB will always remain worth the $45 for it's quick and competent features other than RAW conversion.



Jul 26, 2003 at 12:36 PM
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p.1 #18 · Capture One LE


Someone earlier in this thead mentioned that BB+PS7 would or rather could give much the same results as Capture One. My comment was really about the Canon SDK. Canon software is basically of a very ordinary standard and I know BB uses the Canon 'base'. I really wonderd whether Capture One had an advantage in this area as it was designed from the ground up, so to speak.

I am trying to develop a very small and light 'travel kit' comprising G5, small tripod & notebook to take on a very weight restricted journey. I want to get the very best results I can - period. Time is not a factor and only relatively few shots will be 'processed'. That is why I asked about a potential C1LE advantage over BB, which I like very much. If C1LE is not yet available for the G5 my question is basically answered



Jul 26, 2003 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #19 · Capture One LE


Well, in that case, I'd just buy an Olympus xx40, and not worry so much about the "rest of the stuff". If truly small is your objective, can't beat the Oly xx40 P&S's for small-yet-useable photographic systems.


Jul 26, 2003 at 02:56 PM
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p.1 #20 · Capture One LE


I think the G5 and its RAW mode might just have the edge there ha ha ha


Jul 26, 2003 at 03:00 PM
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