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p.15 #1 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


The Silvestri sure do look cool but I keep hearing about problems getting them to align properly with the digital sensor and I don't really want to mess with shipping them back and forth to Italy.


Apr 25, 2006 at 09:43 PM
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p.15 #2 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


Ok, Alpa is its own league of beast, and Andre will be the first to tell you that. We're talking near 10 grand for just the body, forget the helical mount lenses and back...Alpa's are so damn beautiful, especially the new XY...Eventually I'll get a wide cam as my wide solution, but for now the H1 will do.


Apr 25, 2006 at 09:43 PM
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p.15 #3 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


The XY is the way to go!
I did asked Andre about a price and there was silence!
Also regarding using the Live video outside is just a matter of trying out.
I might try it myself.
Also I've heard that the Aptus LCD is totally unreadable outside.
Is the a company that makes hoods for these backs?



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:09 PM
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p.15 #4 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


I can see the LCD in bright sun, just need to shade it a bit, but it's usable. If you have to ask the price of an Alpa, look somewhere else. I've had about a monthlong email convo with Andre about getting a used Alpa, but they don't show up often...


Apr 25, 2006 at 10:14 PM
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p.15 #5 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


You can get them cheaper at Badger Graphic::

12TC Body $1,485.00
12WA Body $2,958.00
12SWA Body $3,565.00
I don't think that includes the viewfinder.

The helical mount lenses are very expensive at $2K - $4.5K each:
http://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=36
But you only really need one or two carefully chosen lenses.

I haven't seen the new XY yet. But I'll happily buy someone's old useless SWA when they upgrade to that XY



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:15 PM
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p.15 #6 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


Need an H adapter, a viewfinder, and viewfinder mask too. With the 12SWA and 35XL, we're talking ~10 grand, as per Andre.


Apr 25, 2006 at 10:20 PM
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p.15 #7 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


The Cambo WDS looks like a better option.
At Calumet you can get one for the H1 series with 35mm Digitar for $6.299
http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/CB07032.html?ac.cat.CatTreeSearch.detail=y&type=SPDSEARCH
You get rise and fall and lateral shift.
The Alpa 12 SWA does give;
The ALPA 12 SWA has 25 mm rise and when you change digital back and lens 25 mm fall. Lateral shift with the ALPA 12 SWA is only possible with:

a) the fix 8mm decentered lenses 38/47/48, where as the 47 XL is the digital one
b) vertically mounted body

For the full fledge you need the ALPA 12 XY.



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:26 PM
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p.15 #8 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


Cambo should have a new release at Kina, along with the rumored Arca XY...don't rush into this one just yet...


Apr 25, 2006 at 10:32 PM
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p.15 #9 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


David!
Don't worry!
I'm not rushing yet!
Haven't found the right bank to rob !
Cheers,
Willem.

However the first on the list the H1 with the Aptus-75.



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:37 PM
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p.15 #10 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


The specs on the Cambo Wide DS looks great really. I doubt I'd need more personally and the pricing is very reasonable. The Alpa wins as the best looking camera But I guess it's more about what the camera looks at and not how the camera looks.

David - how come I always have to wait to get something so cool?



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:40 PM
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p.15 #11 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


These are not cameras They are boxes that couple a lens and a digital back, they provide a flexible mount to shift with, that's it

Cause you need schmucks like me to buy it first and report my nightmares to you



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:43 PM
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p.15 #12 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


push


Apr 25, 2006 at 10:44 PM
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p.15 #13 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


Netexpress!
Looking at your gear list,I'm very impressed and I also get the impression money is not in short supplyfor you!
Is this a hobby for you or are you a pro shooter?
Cheers,
Willem.



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:46 PM
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p.15 #14 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


Willem-
He's an internet guy I'm trying to get him to hire me full time so he can write off his camera purchases!

Guy-
I'm by no means a pioneer in this. Not by a long shot...I've been getting advice on this from other folks who have been using this shit for years already, I'm just sharing that info as much as I can.



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:49 PM
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p.15 #15 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


David,
I noticed that as well!
Maybe he's in the right business and we are in the wrong business!

Also a word of caution for Guy!
Don't try the Aptus-75 with a Apo-Digitar 35XL!
You won't like your wides with the Leica DMR anymore!



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:54 PM
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p.15 #16 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


glowrider wrote:
These are not cameras They are boxes that couple a lens and a digital back, they provide a flexible mount to shift with, that's it

Cause you need schmucks like me to buy it first and report my nightmares to you


And then we get to make the same mistakes all over again. It's just not the same unless you learn it the hard way is it?



Apr 25, 2006 at 10:57 PM
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p.15 #17 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


I think that may be the case...I learned a bit of Pascal back in high school, maybe I should parlay that into a new career...


Apr 25, 2006 at 10:58 PM
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p.15 #18 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


netexpress wrote:
And then we get to make the same mistakes all over again. It's just not the same unless you learn it the hard way is it?


Such is life...



Apr 25, 2006 at 11:01 PM
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p.15 #19 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


wil_ret wrote:
Netexpress!
Looking at your gear list,I'm very impressed and I also get the impression money is not in short supplyfor you!
Is this a hobby for you or are you a pro shooter?
Cheers,
Willem.


My company builds custom UNIX and UNIX clone servers and storage devices and we set up data centers. It's mostly a hobby for me, Willem. I get to some some photography for work but most of that is boring stuff, products, clients sites, etc. I have a lot more fun with the photography I do on my own time.





Apr 25, 2006 at 11:03 PM
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p.15 #20 · Re: MF digital backs. The dilemma


glowrider wrote:
Willem-
He's an internet guy I'm trying to get him to hire me full time so he can write off his camera purchases!


That would just about pay for itself



Apr 25, 2006 at 11:05 PM
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