Tom Conte wrote:
I'm horrified at how rude people have been in this thread.
Guys, this isn't dpreview, I come here because this isn't dpreview. This is a civil place. No reason for name calling and insults!
as always, you are right Tom, but just the stupid topics that come up on this site lately is enough to make me sick. if this was a month magazine, i'd be buying less toilet paper.
but, i do apologize for coming on in a bad way..........
metalstorm wrote:
Isn't what we are calling the sleep mode really an "Auto power off"? So it really isn't a sleep mode.
Edited by metalstorm on Oct 12, 2005 at 01:05 PM GMT
If I remember correctly there was a post by Chuck Wesfall of Canon where he talked about the power consumption of Canon DSLRs. Sleep mode was a low power intermediate mode that did take more power than the the "pseudo off" mode.
Dave C wrote:
Sorry if you consider my post a stupid topic, Michael-M. I posted the link because I thought 5D owners would want to be aware of this.
no, i'm the one who wants to apologize..........like i said earlier, i need to quit being so grouchy over stuff like this.
heck i've got issues with a few things, our Jaguar as of late, but decided the problems were liveable, but will probably trade the thing in on a "06 Vette (yeah i'm really asking for it), but for the most part, little things like this don't bug me, and i just hate to see the "5D good or bad" topics that will surely fester from a bug like this.
also, i don't need some N E W B I E cuttin my throat when they don't even listen to the whole conversation.
as an update for you all though, i set my settings in "C" mode, then made a couple changes and then powered the 5D down. then powered it back up and the modified settings were still there. after that i let it go into sleep, and yes when i tap it back on, the settings went back to what i had originally saved.
so no, this is not a stupid topic, but there are quite a few now that are.
It's not a stupid thread. But the problem is that Michael Reichmann called it a "design flaw" and some people on this forum are repeating "design flaw" when common sense should tell us that it can't possibly be a design flaw. It's a bug. They goofed. There will be a firmware upgrade. If it was a feature it would be documented in the manual. It's not in the manual.
The only time the saved settings should ever get restored is when you physically move the mode dial into the C position. Nothing else makes sense. If you're in C mode and you mess up the settings, turn the dial out of C position and then back to C.
If this isn't noted in the manual ( I don't have a 5D) it sounds like a minor bug. In the 20D at least, manual exposure compensation doesn't return to the neutral point even if the camera is turned off and then on again. But the manual makes a note of this.
Sam Bennett wrote:
Wow, the Canon Army is so f'ing predictable - nothing to see here, move along, Canon makes no mistakes, there is no man behind the curtain. This is a stupid design, Canon should fix it. Would you expect your AV, TV or Manual settings to be reset to what they were set at when you first turned the camera on after it goes into sleep mode? Of course not!
Oy, Sam. The visions you must have of the minions walking lockstep. Whatever your own feelings of inadequacy may be, it's a shame to see anyone find such satisfaction in having found a flaw.
Looks like a reasonable oversight to me that should be corrected in an upcoming firmware release to only reset to power-off equivalent settings after X-duration of having been asleep. Then they can enjoy fielding the thousands of militants debating why Nikon is better Canon chose 4 hours instead of 8 as the threshhold. Puhleez.
Remford wrote:
Oy, Sam. The visions you must have of the minions walking lockstep. Whatever your own feelings of inadequacy may be, it's a shame to see anyone find such satisfaction in having found a flaw.
Satisfaction? I was just reacting to the tendency of some in the Canon community to instantly dismiss any criticism of Canon products (ironically, it's usually a attribute of the hated DPreview posters). There's a lot of petty complaints out there, but this is a legitimate screw up - and of course it's no surprise with a new product. Is it the end of the world? Absolutely not. Set sleep to a ridiculous value and you'll be fine. Should it be fixed? Yeah. Michael-M was simply out of line in jumping on the original poster, which he's admitted and apologized over.
Sam Bennett wrote:
Wow, the Canon Army is so f'ing predictable - nothing to see here, move along, Canon makes no mistakes, there is no man behind the curtain. This is a stupid design, Canon should fix it. Would you expect your AV, TV or Manual settings to be reset to what they were set at when you first turned the camera on after it goes into sleep mode? Of course not!
Oh relax! I too agree it makes sense for it to return to the C settings. I think it's just something to be aware of how it works. My Epson printer has the same flaw, every time I turn it off and on again it goes back to A4 as the preset page size - I must harass Epson to change this 'bug'.
1) let's say you've set up 'C' on your 5D for landscape shooting, something like 'M' mode, 1/20 f/11, ISO 100, MLU.
2) You switch the camera to 'C' to recall your custom settings
3) You immediately switch the camera from 'C' to 'M'. Does the camera keep all the custom settings you just recalled? If it goes to sleep in 'M' does it wake up with the last used settings or the factory default settings?
I tried this on my 5D. Previously set M mode settings are preserved when the camera wakes up or when switching from C to M mode. The C mode is really a pretty nice feature if you take it for what it is - a custom mode. I would suggest using it that way and anytime you wish to change settings, go to the appropriate mode to do so. I don't find C mode to be the best place for changing settings anyway.
my only comment on this... By the way I usually never move off M and if I do it is to AV to TV but this is rare.
anywho. my only complaint and it is not big (by the way I own a 5D) is the mode dial moves quite easily. bumped it with my hand and moved to C by mistake and found my settings changed. I guess I registered something somewhere. oh well noticed this and moved back to M and then kept shooting no big deal.
would be nice though to have a button in the centre to lock the mode dial in places. say M for instance.
I like the controls on the camera though I can operate with 1 hand not bad. can scratch with the other now
the 1D MK II is very nice but need 2 hands to do anything I know it's pro so this is meant to not allow modes to change by mistake
but again my only beef and it is very small is the mode dial other then that set it to M and keep shooting.
So it's ok because I need to give canon an extra £50 for their overpriced batteries, not sure I understand the logic. Or it's OK because I need to learn to work around it. Maybe no one should have bothered with updating the firmware on the 20D, just work around it by switching it off and on when it locks up, to hell with the 'decisive moment'.
When I pay £2500 for a camera (top pro body 1V costs less than half new) then I bloody well expect it to be useable in every mode. Including any new ones. If it's not, then it needs updating the firmware but don't tell me it isn't an issue because it doesn't bother you personally.
walter23 wrote:
It may or may not be a design flaw, but after you learn it you'll not forget it. It's just one of those idiosyncrasies you'll understand and work with. Undoubtedly had canon made the other equally valid programming choice (retain current settings rather than saved settings), people would complain that the stupid "Custom" setting doesn't even bother saving your custom settings, but just keeps what you've used last! Bah! Useless piece of crap 5D! etc etc.
Yep!
I'm not sure why people are getting so worked up over something this silly.
You know guys, I'm really puzzled as to the reason for all the arguments lately?
As several have mentioned, it appears that one slight misstep by a poster causes an uproar of enormous proportion. Once one person reacts inappropriately, it then spreads like a disease, infecting any and all that chime in. It's really quite distressing, and it makes it not such a fun place to hang out. Seems like we're all sharpening our arguing and debating skills, and it really gets old.
If any of you remember the 'dark days' of a year or so ago, I'd hate to see us return to such extreme measures (by myself, as moderator). Once again, I think we all need to behave as if we are speaking face to face, and give everyone else the respect they deserve.
Maybe you should all go out and shoot (not in "C" mode, preferably) instead of type.
I'm not sure why people are getting so worked up over something this silly.
Walter makes a good point that either solution is of debatable value. I think whatever solution is applied should be consistent with settings made in other modes of the camera, which would mean carrying them through sleep mode.
OTOH, I almost never, ever turn my 20D off. It sleeps for a week sometimes. So I could be one of those users who would be annoyed by the suggested alternative solution.
Best compromise -- a new Custom Function, controlling what happens when the cam goes to sleep in Custom Mode!
the solution is that ..
