Fun Math 1 / 1.6 X 13 = 8.1. Assuming I'm not missing something here, you could have a full frame sensor that could be croped to 1.6 with no loss over a 20d. Sounds like a party to me.
The Big Bad wrote:
Rocketpop, have you even used a 1 series with the 45 pt AF ?
Have you actually shot with this new camera so be able to know that the AF is "crappy" ?
How often do you actually need 45 points in your daily shooting ?
What is wrong if they have 9 points covering the center (which is what Im assuming the "invisible 6" points are, similar to the AF expand feature on the 1 series) and they are all cross sensative ?
On all my 1 series I only have them set to 11 points. 45 points is a hassle to select and I never shoot with auto AF point selection. Furthermore not all the 45 points are cross sensative. 90% of my and most other sports shooters AF point usage is always using the center point anyways.
I belive Nikon only has something like 11 AF points on their AF system for what its worth as well
I dont use my 1 series bodies with all 45 points, and like you, I also use mine with 11 points selectable. However, you are forgetting a very important fact. You can set the AF point expand, which uses a cluster of points surrounding your active focus point. This is VERY important. This is how I use the 45 AF point system to my advantage. I feel lost when I use a camera with a 7 or 9 AF points only.
Fun Math 1 / 1.6 X 13 = 8.1. Assuming I'm not missing something here, you could have a full frame sensor that could be croped to 1.6 with no loss over a 20d. Sounds like a party to me.
Yes your math is wrong. It should read 1/(1.6)^2 X 21 = 8.2. So we need a 21MP FF camera to have the same pixel density as a 1.6x crop format sensor. Similarly we need a 12.5MP 1.3x crop format sensor to have the same pixel desnity as 20D.
I'm no pro, nor do I play one on television. I'm sure that having 13 Megapixels is going to lure a lot of folks in. The potential for reduced noise and clear advantage in enlargments make this a nice thing.
But...
It's not for me. While I'd like the 13 Megapixels a bit, I wouldn't trade up from my 20D for the following reasons:
* No improvement in AF (apparently) from the 20D (biggest reason)
* Only 3.2 fps (Since I shoot mostly wildlife, espcially birds, this is a major downgrade - 2nd biggest reason) The 5 fps was the major reason I upgraded from the 10D - certainly not the extra 2 Megapixels!
* No built-in flash. Yes, I have a 550EX that I use most of the time, but sometimes I just don't have it mounted, and I'll find a bit of fill flash to be desireable. Yeah, it's not a pro feature, but it occaisionally comes in handy.
* No weather sealing
* $4K price tag
Hopefully, if this is for real, it will drive down the used prices of the 1DMkII's to where I can afford one
Mr Joe wrote:
Maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but isn't part of the point of this "tweener" camera to compete with the Nikon D2X? Based on the specs, it doesn't look like it.
If the mythical 5D was $3000 street price, I would buy one, and go back to a prime lens lineup: 21, 24, 35, 50, 85, 135.
If the possible 5D is full-frame, your 24-70 will be a very useful lens. That's not saying that a few logically spaced primes wouldn't be useful as well.
If it is true and FF, I will be buying a 1DsMK2 at a deep discount price..... The one thing that really nudged me about the 20 was the lack of the wheel.
It would be great if this new EOS is capable of taking the "PB-E2" power booster grips. That way you get the look and feel of the 1 series with the option of taking it off.
This will make my 20D an awesome backup camera. Now the question is, how will I mix and match my lenses between a FF and 1.6 body. How would you do it? This is for wedding and event work. Long lenses on the 20D and wide and mid lenses on the 5D?
This will make my 20D an awesome backup camera. Now the question is, how will I mix and match my lenses between a FF and 1.6 body. How would you do it? This is for wedding and event work. Long lenses on the 20D and wide and mid lenses on the 5D?
For events I'd do this:
5D with 24-70/2.8L (main body)
20D with 85/1.2L or 85/1.8
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Yes your math is wrong. It should read 1/(1.6)^2 X 21 = 8.2. So we need a 21MP FF camera to have the same pixel density as a 1.6x crop format sensor. Similarly we need a 12.5MP 1.3x crop format sensor to have the same pixel desnity as 20D.
Seemed to easy. Forgot the whole two dimention thing.
Mr Joe wrote:
For events I'd do this:
5D with 24-70/2.8L (main body)
20D with 85/1.2L or 85/1.8
Yup that sounds good. Should I keep my 16-35L (this was my mid range zoom with the 20D). I'd hate to give it up, because my copy is super sharp. My 24-70L is not as sharp.
Some one explain to me why there is a strap loop on the front pic, but none on the back photo. That would indicate it is a fake, right? Or am I missing something?
Specs and cost don't tie together. I've heard there are two bodies coming soon, but this would still leave a huge price gap in Canons range from the 20d to the next one up and at a time when digital bodies are falling quickly in cost, this seems a step back, despite FF sensor.
Still think a sub $2500 dollar high-spec 1.6x to be the most likely along with a mildly updated 1dII
giulioz wrote:
Sorry, I am not a camera expert, but it doesn't make sense to me: it would mean that the EF-S lenses (3 so far) were made just for the 20D; that if you want to upgrade from the 20D to the "5D" you have also to change a whole set of lenses (you would still want to retain the focal lenghts that you cover now); that many PJs, which have been advocated for a less bulky body than the current 1D series would dump them for the "5D" (kind of more pros using the F801/F100 than the F4/F5 in former times) etc.
If it's real it would seem to be a nice fit in the line-up. I guess there's still no mythical 3D that would somehow morph for each buyer to have some subset of features and price that aren't reasonable, so the omnipresent speculation will have to continue.
If you need more or less mp, greater or fewer fps, and more or less AF points, there are other Canon models that offer all of those things.
