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Jack Flesher wrote:
Not huge, but being relatively new to ACR as my raw processor, I figured I’d ask this group what I might be doing wrong.
Say I convert an image to B&W and work it a bit in ACR, then open it as a smart object in PS. If I double-click the thumb in PS it reopens in ACR and lets me adjust tweak as it should. However if I toggle B&W off to render a color version and hit okay, it still re-opens as a B&W in PS, not color. Conversely, if I open it as a color image initially and now go back into ACR and convert it to B&W, it correctly reopens as B&W, except now I can go back and toggle B&W off and it reopens correctly in color. So it’s only a problem if I open it initially as a B&W, which seems weird, so am I doing something wrong that prevents the initial B&W to revert to color?
I often will work a good image in both color and B&W, so it’s a bit of an annoyance to have to open it twice or reverse my workflow to get what I want.
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Hi @Jack Flesher
I have not 100% confirmed why Photoshop and ACR does this yet, but I'm pretty sure.
When in ACR you change to B&W mode, note at the bottom of the screen it is now going to open the Smart Object into PS as a gray gamma (or similar color space). When in PS that also sets the PS mode to Grayscale. That setting becomes part of the Smart Object wrapper. So even when you go back to ACR and change it back to color, the SO shell will convert it back to B&W no matter what you do.
There is a simple way to get around this. When you have finished your initial modifications in ACR, including setting it to B&W mode, change the color space at the bottom of the screen to an RGB color space. The SO will open as B&W, yet the color mode/space will remain in RGB. So when you go back to ACR, if you change back to color mode and save (note that at the bottom of the screen it will still keep it in RGB), when you save from ACR back to the Smart Object, it will be in color.
Of note, if in ACR on the second pass you change the color space back to Gray Gamma, the SO in PS will not change to Gray Gamma when saved. The SO wrapper, once the mode is set, keeps it that way, and anything coming in is converted to that initial color mode and space.
This is not the only characteristic that SOs keep in their wrapper even without ACR. If you take a regular image layer that is in e.g., Adobe RGB color space, turn it into an SO, and then open that SO, the color space of the opened SO is still Adobe RGB, yet if you convert the opened SO to a different color space, e.g., sRGB, and then save the opened SO, the original SO will remain in Adobe RGB. Effectively, the sRGB in the opened SO is converted back to Adobe RGB. So not all characteristics get passed back to the SO and are determined by the characteristics of the SO wrapper.
So it is not a bug.
I am not sure I explained this with enough clarity yet I hope that helps
John Wheeler
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