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Nielk Mike wrote:
TENOG wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
TENOG wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
The 23f2.8 pancake is a very sharp lens. It perfectly fits the X-E5. But: It slows the camera down considerably (as does the 27f2.8). Image review takes much longer than with other lenses, and returning from image review to shooting also takes a while (and comes with a lot of noise). Guess it something to do with the focus motor and can't be fixed with a firmware update.Sigh, are you still quoting that ? Thought we sorted that out earlier.
Sep 05, 2026 at 12:07 AM
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gyoung143 wrote:
Can you explain what you mean by 'slowing the camera down?' Thanks.There is time lack when reviewing an image and also when going back from playback to shooting mode. Very noticeable compared to, say, the 23f2.So that only really affects someone who is chimping frequently. I don't so it doesn't bother me.Good for you. But given the AF-S focus inconsistencies Fuji cameras show with lenses 23mm and wider, I rather check focus was where it should be.Sigh, are you still quoting that ? Thought we sorted that out earlier.
Sorted that? How so? It is still an issue.
Nielk Mike wrote
TENOG wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
TENOG wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
The 23f2.8 pancake is a very sharp lens. It perfectly fits the X-E5. But: It slows the camera down considerably (as does the 27f2.8). Image review takes much longer than with other lenses, and returning from image review to shooting also takes a while (and comes with a lot of noise). Guess it something to do with the focus motor and can't be fixed with a firmware update.Sorted that? How so? It is still an issue.
Sep 05, 2026 at 12:39 AM
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Geoff D F wrote:
I haven't noticed it. It may be true but not a big deal for me.
That's what real love is about: Always forgiving :-)
I haven't noticed it. It may be true but not a big deal for me.
That's what real love is about: Always forgiving :-)
Sep 05, 2026 at 12:41 AM
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Nielk Mike wrote:
gyoung143 wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
TENOG wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
TENOG wrote
Can you explain what you mean by 'slowing the camera down?' Thanks.IMHO the issue is your perception of where the problem lies. See:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1941551/3#17031401
Sep 05, 2026 at 03:11 AM
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gyoung143 wrote:
So that only really affects someone who is chimping frequently. I don't so it doesn't bother me.Good for you. But given the AF-S focus inconsistencies Fuji cameras show with lenses 23mm and wider, I rather check focus was where it should be.Sigh, are you still quoting that ? Thought we sorted that out earlier.Sorted that? How so? It is still an issue.IMHO the issue is your perception of where the problem lies. See:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1941551/3#17031401
Can you dwell on that a little? I don't know really what you mean. There is inconsistent focus and focus beyond infinity. How's that an issue of perception?
Nielk Mike wrote
gyoung143 wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
TENOG wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
There is time lack when reviewing an image and also when going back from playback to shooting mode. Very noticeable compared to, say, the 23f2.https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1941551/3#17031401
Can you dwell on that a little? I don't know really what you mean. There is inconsistent focus and focus beyond infinity. How's that an issue of perception?
Sep 05, 2026 at 03:35 AM
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Nielk Mike wrote:
Good for you. But given the AF-S focus inconsistencies Fuji cameras show with lenses 23mm and wider, I rather check focus was where it should be.Sigh, are you still quoting that ? Thought we sorted that out earlier.Sorted that? How so? It is still an issue.IMHO the issue is your perception of where the problem lies. See:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1941551/3#17031401Can you dwell on that a little? I don't know really what you mean. There is inconsistent focus and focus beyond infinity. How's that an issue of perception?
Did you read the item I linked?
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
gyoung143 wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
gyoung143 wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
TENOG wrote
So that only really affects someone who is chimping frequently. I don't so it doesn't bother me.https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1941551/3#17031401
Did you read the item I linked?
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
Sep 05, 2026 at 04:28 AM
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gyoung143 wrote:
Sigh, are you still quoting that ? Thought we sorted that out earlier.Sorted that? How so? It is still an issue.IMHO the issue is your perception of where the problem lies. See:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1941551/3#17031401Can you dwell on that a little? I don't know really what you mean. There is inconsistent focus and focus beyond infinity. How's that an issue of perception?Did you read the item I linked?
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
There are so many reports all over the fora, and it is well known that Fuji AF is not up to par with other brands.
Nielk Mike wrote
gyoung143 wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
gyoung143 wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
Good for you. But given the AF-S focus inconsistencies Fuji cameras show with lenses 23mm and wider, I rather check focus was where it should be.https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1941551/3#17031401
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
There are so many reports all over the fora, and it is well known that Fuji AF is not up to par with other brands.
Sep 05, 2026 at 04:48 AM
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gyoung143 wrote:
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
I stopped (with the obvious exception of this reply) having this debate with him months ago. Ths one-man obsessive crusade has been going on now for a few years, IIRC. As you point out, if this was the sort of issue that he implies, there would be widespread reports (in forums, on social media, in youtube videos) about it.
There aren’t.
At this point, I think that the best response is generally no response at all.
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
I stopped (with the obvious exception of this reply) having this debate with him months ago. Ths one-man obsessive crusade has been going on now for a few years, IIRC. As you point out, if this was the sort of issue that he implies, there would be widespread reports (in forums, on social media, in youtube videos) about it.
There aren’t.
At this point, I think that the best response is generally no response at all.
Sep 05, 2026 at 08:05 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.I stopped (with the obvious exception of this reply) having this debate with him months ago. Ths one-man obsessive crusade has been going on now for a few years, IIRC. As you point out, if this was the sort of issue that he implies, there would be widespread reports (in forums, on social media, in youtube videos) about it.
There aren’t.
At this point, I think that the best response is generally no response at all.
Thank you for responding :-)
gyoung143 wrote
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
There aren’t.
At this point, I think that the best response is generally no response at all.
Thank you for responding :-)
Sep 05, 2026 at 08:26 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
gyoung143 wrote
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
There aren’t.
At this point, I think that the best response is generally no response at all.
Simple one shot af-s performance has been OK for about 30 years. Such a fundamental issue would be the damnation of a system. My experience I did the link to is neatly 10 years ago, I've used the Xpro2 and other Fujis ever since with no problems. It's my normal practice, I don't have a need for af-c etc more than occasional. But no problems.
An old Hungaruan friend had some imaginative sayings. Amongst the more repeatable to a polite audience was one which translated as:-
'Ach, he hears the grass growing'
Sep 05, 2026 at 08:30 AM
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gyoung143 wrote:
I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.I stopped (with the obvious exception of this reply) having this debate with him months ago. Ths one-man obsessive crusade has been going on now for a few years, IIRC. As you point out, if this was the sort of issue that he implies, there would be widespread reports (in forums, on social media, in youtube videos) about it.
There aren’t.
At this point, I think that the best response is generally no response at all.Simple one shot sf-s performance has been OK fir more about 30 years. Such a fundamental issue would be the damnation of a system. My experience I did the link to is neatly 10 years ago, I've used the Xprand other Fujis ever since with no problems. It's my normal practice, I don't have a need for af-c etc more than occasional. But no problems.
An old Hungaruan friend had some imaginative sayings. Amongst the repeatable to a polite audience was one which translated as:-
'Ach, he hears the grass growing'
It is not okay. it returns inconssitent results with WA lenses, and more so stopped down, and it focuses beyond infinity. Easy to test, easy to reproduce. In particular focus beyond infinity is easy to spot. Overall slight softness when zooming in with nothing in critically sharp focus.
https://cameraderie.org/threads/autofocusing-issues.55985/
Wonder why you and Dan feel the need to defend Fuji AF no matter what. If you were really convinced that all was fine with Fuji AF, you'd just ignore me. But no. :-) Same with the 23f2.8 slowing the camera down: Jerk reaction is defend Fuji.
I have a pretty sizable Fuji collection and love using my cameras. But I do point to short comings. At the price Fuji is selling their gear now, I expect them to fix issues.
gdanmitchell wrote
gyoung143 wrote
I see no problem with actual af-s accuracy with my 14mm, or the 18-55 at 18mm. The issue is with the in viewfinder focus scale, which is pretty useless with those focal lengths, readings seemingly random and unreliable. I do not find any problems with actual focus achieved on the photos.I will not debate this further with you, if af-s was actually so unreliable with wide angles there would be reports of it everywhere, in reviews and forums. There are not, you appear to be 'out of step with the army'.
There aren’t.
At this point, I think that the best response is generally no response at all.
An old Hungaruan friend had some imaginative sayings. Amongst the repeatable to a polite audience was one which translated as:-
'Ach, he hears the grass growing'
It is not okay. it returns inconssitent results with WA lenses, and more so stopped down, and it focuses beyond infinity. Easy to test, easy to reproduce. In particular focus beyond infinity is easy to spot. Overall slight softness when zooming in with nothing in critically sharp focus.
https://cameraderie.org/threads/autofocusing-issues.55985/
Wonder why you and Dan feel the need to defend Fuji AF no matter what. If you were really convinced that all was fine with Fuji AF, you'd just ignore me. But no. :-) Same with the 23f2.8 slowing the camera down: Jerk reaction is defend Fuji.
I have a pretty sizable Fuji collection and love using my cameras. But I do point to short comings. At the price Fuji is selling their gear now, I expect them to fix issues.
Sep 05, 2026 at 08:46 AM
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Well, my Fuji 23mm f/2.8 is maybe a tick slower, but it isn't more than 1/4 of a sec slower. Slower, yeah.
And maybe, it is best to state that Fuji AF is "poorest" of most all major brands, and I'd tend to agree it is less sticky and slower than Nikons and Olympus/OM from experience, but doing so over and over and over int he same thread is probably what gets people fired up.
You said the 23mm was slow, you said their AF is bad, multiple times, we get it. And you have a sizable collection, so... you tolerate it. Same here. People shouldn't be defending at every turn, nor bashing at ever one either.
And maybe, it is best to state that Fuji AF is "poorest" of most all major brands, and I'd tend to agree it is less sticky and slower than Nikons and Olympus/OM from experience, but doing so over and over and over int he same thread is probably what gets people fired up.
You said the 23mm was slow, you said their AF is bad, multiple times, we get it. And you have a sizable collection, so... you tolerate it. Same here. People shouldn't be defending at every turn, nor bashing at ever one either.
Sep 05, 2026 at 09:49 AM
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RWNPhoto wrote:
Well, my Fuji 23mm f/2.8 is maybe a tick slower, but it isn't more than 1/4 of a sec slower. Slower, yeah.
And maybe, it is best to state that Fuji AF is "poorest" of most all major brands, and I'd tend to agree it is less sticky and slower than Nikons and Olympus/OM from experience, but doing so over and over and over int he same thread is probably what gets people fired up.
You said the 23mm was slow, you said their AF is bad, multiple times, we get it. And you have a sizable collection, so... you tolerate...Show more →
It is worth talking about it until Fuji finally takes action. But of course, one could also ask the question "Which lenses to take to ..." for the umpteenth time :-)
Another good reason to keep this on the radar screen is to make sure folks know how to avoid the issue by using well know and much discussed workarounds.
And for those allergic to the topic (or so much in love with Fuji that any criticism hurts): Just skip my poss and don't read them. Me, I don't mind being put on ignore.
As to the 23f2.8: Not sure if it is 1/4 of a second. But there is an annoying delay when going into and out of review mode. That's all. It should be fixed by Fuji. Same with the strange focus aid behavior where the X-E5 zooms in but not out when half pressing the shutter button. But that is a different topic.
Well, my Fuji 23mm f/2.8 is maybe a tick slower, but it isn't more than 1/4 of a sec slower. Slower, yeah.
And maybe, it is best to state that Fuji AF is "poorest" of most all major brands, and I'd tend to agree it is less sticky and slower than Nikons and Olympus/OM from experience, but doing so over and over and over int he same thread is probably what gets people fired up.
You said the 23mm was slow, you said their AF is bad, multiple times, we get it. And you have a sizable collection, so... you tolerate...Show more →
It is worth talking about it until Fuji finally takes action. But of course, one could also ask the question "Which lenses to take to ..." for the umpteenth time :-)
Another good reason to keep this on the radar screen is to make sure folks know how to avoid the issue by using well know and much discussed workarounds.
And for those allergic to the topic (or so much in love with Fuji that any criticism hurts): Just skip my poss and don't read them. Me, I don't mind being put on ignore.
As to the 23f2.8: Not sure if it is 1/4 of a second. But there is an annoying delay when going into and out of review mode. That's all. It should be fixed by Fuji. Same with the strange focus aid behavior where the X-E5 zooms in but not out when half pressing the shutter button. But that is a different topic.
Sep 05, 2026 at 10:07 AM
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I found that changing the Clarity setting from 3 to 0 on the X-E5 eliminated the blackout after shutter release. I don't know if that's germane to this issue, though.
Sep 06, 2026 at 11:29 AM
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raduray wrote:
I found that changing the Clarity setting from 3 to 0 on the X-E5 eliminated the blackout after shutter release. I don't know if that's germane to this issue, though.
That is a separate issue not related to the X-E5 or the 23f2.8. All Fuji cameras that offer Clarity have a delay while the camera processes the setting.
I found that changing the Clarity setting from 3 to 0 on the X-E5 eliminated the blackout after shutter release. I don't know if that's germane to this issue, though.
That is a separate issue not related to the X-E5 or the 23f2.8. All Fuji cameras that offer Clarity have a delay while the camera processes the setting.
Sep 06, 2026 at 12:15 PM
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Nielk Mike wrote:
That's what real love is about: Always forgiving :-)
I said i hadn't noticed it, not that I noticed it and forgave Fuji. You have put a different spin on my post. These things matter because inexperienced people may read these posts and think it is a major problem. Most of us are experienced photographers and telling you we don't think it is an issue.
Geoff D F wrote
I haven't noticed it. It may be true but not a big deal for me.I said i hadn't noticed it, not that I noticed it and forgave Fuji. You have put a different spin on my post. These things matter because inexperienced people may read these posts and think it is a major problem. Most of us are experienced photographers and telling you we don't think it is an issue.
Sep 06, 2026 at 03:14 PM
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Nielk Mike wrote:
It is not okay. it returns inconssitent results with WA lenses, and more so stopped down, and it focuses beyond infinity. Easy to test, easy to reproduce. In particular focus beyond infinity is easy to spot. Overall slight softness when zooming in with nothing in critically sharp focus.
Fortunately, none of my Fuji cameras or lenses (and I have owned almost every one of them over the years) have ever exhibited this behaviour.
It is not okay. it returns inconssitent results with WA lenses, and more so stopped down, and it focuses beyond infinity. Easy to test, easy to reproduce. In particular focus beyond infinity is easy to spot. Overall slight softness when zooming in with nothing in critically sharp focus.
Fortunately, none of my Fuji cameras or lenses (and I have owned almost every one of them over the years) have ever exhibited this behaviour.
Sep 06, 2026 at 03:26 PM
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Geoff D F wrote:
That's what real love is about: Always forgiving :-)These things matter because inexperienced people may read these posts and think it is a major problem.
Also a noble cause: To protect the innocent from evil :-)
From one experienced photographer to the other: There may be many reasons you have never noticed. But others have.
Nielk Mike wrote
Geoff D F wrote
I haven't noticed it. It may be true but not a big deal for me.Also a noble cause: To protect the innocent from evil :-)
From one experienced photographer to the other: There may be many reasons you have never noticed. But others have.
Sep 06, 2026 at 10:53 PM
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Cliff L. wrote:
Fortunately, none of my Fuji cameras or lenses (and I have owned almost every one of them over the years) have ever exhibited this behaviour.
Your Fuji images in your flickr gallery were mostly taken with tele zoom lenses. Focal lengths above 23mm don't show the issue as much as wide angle lenses. In fact, I am using my 35f2,50f2 and 90f2 with confidence in AF-S.
Nielk Mike wrote
It is not okay. it returns inconssitent results with WA lenses, and more so stopped down, and it focuses beyond infinity. Easy to test, easy to reproduce. In particular focus beyond infinity is easy to spot. Overall slight softness when zooming in with nothing in critically sharp focus.Your Fuji images in your flickr gallery were mostly taken with tele zoom lenses. Focal lengths above 23mm don't show the issue as much as wide angle lenses. In fact, I am using my 35f2,50f2 and 90f2 with confidence in AF-S.
Sep 06, 2026 at 11:01 PM
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Nielk Mike wrote:
That's what real love is about: Always forgiving :-)These things matter because inexperienced people may read these posts and think it is a major problem.Also a noble cause: To protect the innocent from evil :-)
From one experienced photographer to the other: There may be many reasons you have never noticed. But others have.
The MAJOR Fuji forum, where there is intelligent and often critical debate, has not a single mention of af-s accuracy issues with wide angles, in more than 10 years I have frequented it.
It comes up regularly here because you drag it into threads frequently. I don't recall eall others agreeing.
Geoff D F wrote
Nielk Mike wrote
Geoff D F wrote
I haven't noticed it. It may be true but not a big deal for me.From one experienced photographer to the other: There may be many reasons you have never noticed. But others have.
The MAJOR Fuji forum, where there is intelligent and often critical debate, has not a single mention of af-s accuracy issues with wide angles, in more than 10 years I have frequented it.
It comes up regularly here because you drag it into threads frequently. I don't recall eall others agreeing.
Sep 07, 2026 at 01:52 AM