leolab wrote:
My $0.02 having shot both systems...IF you want to get an APS-C system I would choose Fuji. There are more choices of body styles from small to Large-ish, and the the EVFs on the Fujis in my usage were better, so for me the overall shooting experience was better on the Fujis.
Fujis AF still lags behind Sony's unfortunately.
I don't personally like the ergonomics (or the looks) of a small camera with big heavy lenses, and my A7Cii can feel that way with most of the FF zooms of decent quality.
I have an XT5, XT50 and XPro2 and prefer the XT50 for travel, paired with small-ish primes and the Sigma 18-50 2.8 lens. The Voigtlander 1.2 MF primes are great fit on the XT50 as are the f2 Fuji primes, Sigma now has a few 1.4 primes that are around 200g that also are pretty comfortable on the XT50 (15mm 1.4 and 12mm 1.4). The 40MP sensor is very good, and for my application, better than what Sony APS-C offers, and the Fuji jpegs are excellent.
The experience of shooting Fuji is different enough from Sony that it may be preferable to have the Fuji APS-C system vs Sony if you already have Sony as FF kit.
Lastly, Between the small A7C series, the A6700 and the XT5, there is really not much difference in size, however the XT50 feels more or less like the OM5 size.
I can't say that I have ever shot the a6700 (have only held one in store) but if the IBIS in it is like the A7CII (which I have), then the IBIS in the Newest Fujis is better (not at OM5 level though). Anyhow, with the 40MP sensor, great Jpegs, good small size and decent ergos, and decent IBIS, the XT50 is a pretty compelling travel camera provided you stay with smaller lenses for the system (of which there are plenty) ...Show more →
snegron7 wrote:
For those folks who use or have used both Fujifilm and Sony APS-C outfits, whst are your thoughts?
I've been a devoted Fuji shooter since 2018, and my motivation entering that system was similar to yours: I wanted something lighter than my full-sized DSLR kit at the time.
Initially I was very happy with the migration. I got myself the X100, X-T2, then X-T3 and X100 IV, and eventually the X100VI. After all these years, I no longer recommend the interchangeable lens APS-C cameras. Because Sony and Hasselblad have both demonstrated, repeatedly, that the sensor area has relatively little effect on the full system size+weight, lenses have to be accounted for too.
Take a Fuji X-T5 with a f/2 lens and compare it to a C-series Sony body with an equivalent f/2.8 lens. From the perspective of a traveller, they'll be equivalent, within 100g from each other. Their light-capturing capacity (IQ) will be equal. But the Sony will have vastly better autofocus and far better software, both in-camera and also on the desktop. I sold my last Fuji after I got into Sony's compact G-primes and Sigma's i-series lenses. They completely erased the size/weight advantage of a Fuji system.
The only Fuji camera I still have warm feelings towards is the X100 VI. In terms of compactness it is in a different league, but it achieves that by having a fixed close-to-the-sensor lens. And yet... I just couldn't deal with Fuji software anymore. Even deleting an image is implemented in the most idiotic way. AF-C sucked too, although I never found it to be a problem in practice because when traveling I rarely/never find myself shooting action.
These days I travel either with my A1 II paired to the 40mm G f/2.5, or my Nikon Zf paried to the 28mm f/2.8 pancake. From the practical/pragmatic perspective they're very comparable to the Fuji X-T5 with an f/2 "Fujicron". But they focus better and I don't have to deal with Fuji's firmware.
IMO you don't need APSC. You don't even need a new body. Just get yourserlf a slower/smaller lens for your A7C. It's not me saying this. It's just physics: any camera+lens system pays for its light-capturing capacity with weight. It's a trade-off between sensor area and lens speed. A smaller sensor only shifts some weight % from the body to the lens, but you'll end up with the same total system weight for the same number of captured photons. Since you already have a nice assortment of bodies, get a slower lens.
snegron7 wrote:
Just got back from a trip to Japan where my primary outfit was a Canon R6II with an RF 24-105mm f4.0L and an RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM. My "backup camera" was an OM-5 with a Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 G2. While I'm happy with the images I got with my R6II, it was excruciatingly painful carrying the outfit around all day and night as I walked several miles throughout Tokyo.
I currently shoot with three different platforms (Sony A7c, A7iv, Canon R6II, and OM System OM-5). I have my reasons for shooting with three platforms, and I have no intention of selling any of them to go with X or Y brand. This post is not about replacing or consolidating what I currently have; it's about exploring a dedicated APS-C system that has not only several good APS-C cameras in their lineup but also a good variety of dedicated lenses for their cameras.
Also, quick side note, I had but sold the Canon R7 because the AF tracking was terrible and I was limited with the lens options available for it. So, adding an R7 is definitely not an option for me. The other APS-C offerings by Canon are not weather sealed, and finding decent lenses is a very limited option at this time (I had and loved the Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 RDX, but I sold it together with my R7).
So, I'm looking for an APS-C body that is weather sealed and performs well (good AF tracking, good IQ, at least somewhat decent low light performance, and at least a bit of usable dynamic range). My OM-5 is a great camera, but I would like a bigger sensor (like an APS-C).
My A7c is nice and compact, but it is heavy. Add any somewhat fast zoom on it, and it turns into yet another heavy option.
So, since I don't have any APS-C lenses for my Sony cameras, if I were to buy an APS-C Sony I would need to start fresh with new lenses. Therefore, it's like I'd be getting into a new system anyway. So I can go with Fujifilm or Sony APS-C at this time because I have no lenses for them anyway.
For those folks who use or have used both Fujifilm and Sony APS-C outfits, whst are your thoughts?
p.s. I'm posting this on both the Sony and Fujifilm forums to get opinions from both sides....Show more →
Full frame isn't necessarily heavier than APS-C, A sensor does not weigh much, the weight is mostly in the glass.
If you compare equivalent lens setups (for example f/1.4 on apsc vs f/2 on ff) the weight is similar.
For example,
Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G: 488g, Sony E 16-55mm f/2.8 G: 494g. The FF lens is lighter.
Canon R7: 612 g, Sony A7C: 509g, Fuji X-T5: 557g
Sigma 23mm f/1.4 DC DN (APS-C): 340 g, Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN (FF): 325 g
