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p.1 #1 · Am I a masochist?


Got two Z cameras, the Z6II and the amazing Z8, I mean, this latter one is a stunning piece of gear, too much for what I do and understand but oh my, what a camera!!!

I also own some older stuff in F mount and in these last few days I don't know why but I took along the D850, maybe because I don't have a reasonable sized 85mm for S mount and I love the focal length or simply because I am a masochist and want to challenge myself with the OVF and no real time exposure correction but I gotta say that it is still both a joy and a thrill to shoot that camera, yes, bulky, yes slow compared to Z ones but never minding battery life, stunning files and a looooot of pixels to play with not to mention the thrill once home to find out if exposure and focus got nailed especially when I do take portraits and check the eye...





Aug 17, 2026 at 03:52 AM
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p.1 #2 · Am I a masochist?


A little bit


Aug 17, 2026 at 05:16 AM
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p.1 #3 · Am I a masochist?


If, in the end, it brings more joy, more variety, and thus more motivation, then it’s the right path.

I mean, I still use my manual-focus Canon FD 85mm f/1.2 L, simply because I enjoy working with that lens and with manual focus.
I don't take that as masochism, though, even though an 85mm f/1.2 with manual focus alone practically begs for that label.
And to be honest, high-quality manual-focus lenses like the Canon, my Voigtlander, or even the Thypoch 28mm f/1.4 often bring me more joy than my Z-mount S-line lenses.

From a rational standpoint, the Z lenses are, of course, significantly better than my old vintage lenses, like the 85/1.2 L or my father’s old CZJ Biotar 58/2.
But not everything is always rational—emotions and sheer fun also play a role.
So, for me, it would be masochism to suppress that.

That aside, I'm also an aesthetics junkie.
It's basically irrational, but for me, a camera, a lens, or the combination of the two has to look as good as possible and have a cohesive design—even if that doesn't actually matter at all for the final result.
I mean, the emotions, the passion, but also the unique aesthetic appeal and design of some of those special older lenses and cameras—who am I, as a German, to explain that to an Italian, that's almost sacrilege.

I like and love some of my Z lenses, and depending on the situation, there’s simply no getting around them—but even though there are masterpieces among them, like the Plena, using only Z-mount lenses with AF would just be too bland for me.
It’s not just about the end result; it’s also about the process of getting there.

To each his own—but you're more likely to see me driving an old Alfa Romeo Spider with a manual transmission than a modern hybrid BMW, at least when having fun/feeling good is the main thing.




Aug 17, 2026 at 05:38 AM
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p.1 #4 · Am I a masochist?


The D850 is as good as it gets with a mirror--so not at masochist at all. If you'd have said you took out a D800 and spent the day shooting wide open...then I'd be worried about you .

In the not too distant past, we were all masochists.

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Aug 17, 2026 at 09:12 AM
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BSPhotog wrote:
The D850 is as good as it gets with a mirror--so not at massochist at all. If you'd have said you took out a D800 and spent the day shooting wide open...then I'd be worried about you .

In the not too distant past, we were all massochists.





Aug 17, 2026 at 09:23 AM
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p.1 #6 · Am I a masochist?


I get what you are saying, there are so many times I have tried to list the D850 for sale but every time I look at the files from it, I decide to keep it it's probably the same sensor on the Z7, Z8 with very little difference but man, I don't know why I feel the D850's sensor is special. So, it stays. After all, for me, this hobby is about the joy, not really about the latest and greatest.


Aug 17, 2026 at 09:30 AM
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I gotta admit I had some fun with the D850, I won't take the Z8 on a boat and, to be honest, even the 58G I prefer not being subject to moist and salt water.

I love the D850 with the 20G, 58G, 60G and 85D, if I could I'd sure add the 105G, to be honest, besides the advantages of the ML tech like eye AF, exposure preview, the super fast AF tracking and all the inherent ML tech I still find a reflex a lot of fun to use not to mention it's quite a compensation tool ;-) like those of us who use the ProMax version of whatever it is...




Aug 17, 2026 at 10:14 AM
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GiovanniAprea wrote:
I gotta admit I had some fun with the D850, I won't take the Z8 on a boat and, to be honest, even the 58G I prefer not being subject to moist and salt water.

I love the D850 with the 20G, 58G, 60G and 85D, if I could I'd sure add the 105G, to be honest, besides the advantages of the ML tech like eye AF, exposure preview, the super fast AF tracking and all the inherent ML tech I still find a reflex a lot of fun to use not to mention it's quite a compensation tool ;-) like
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You should give the D780 a go. Its 24 Mpix sensor isn’t quite as high-resolution as the D850’s (but has impressive high ISO performance); however, in Live View mode it works exactly like your Z6 II (they share the same sensor), it doesn’t require any autofocus calibration, and 24 megapixels are more than enough for portraits.



Aug 17, 2026 at 10:23 AM
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p.1 #9 · Am I a masochist?


Hmmm, you know, I got the hitch of a pro body, just for the fun of it, a D4S but I have too many cameras and always looking for something smaller as an everyday think with smaller primes just to have fun without to give up quality and viewfinder, D-SLR I got Fuji S5Pro, D2Xs (the one I asked for battery replacement), D800 and D850 not to mention an F, F3 and F100, think it's enough of mirrors uh!?


Aug 17, 2026 at 12:12 PM
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p.1 #10 · Am I a masochist?


Swap the D800 for a D780, which is even lighter


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Good enough is good enough.

I ended my two-year run with the Zf to go back to the D600 and smaller/lighter lenses. Where suitable, it's as good as it ever was. More likely to buy a D780 or something like that than another Z anytime soon.

Edit - that reads like I'm out of Z. I'm not, I use the Z8 as a main body and will probably be a day-one Z8II buyer. But where I was using the Zf, it was for stuff where I typically used film anyway. So more casual stuff that isn't technically demanding. I still generally pick film for that, but to the extent that I did/do want to use digital, it's usually to host my smaller, older F-mount lenses. The FTZ was a real friction point there, and I'm just happier continuing on with DSLR's to host glass like that. I've still got the Z8 to host my favorite Zf lenses.



Aug 17, 2026 at 04:13 PM
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You know that's not too bad of an idea I remember of a kid who used to have one here where I live, I gotta try and reach him out to figure if he still has it to try and handle it, when I go abroad for the day I like to have camera with me but the Z6II is fine as per se, problem being lenses a bit too large unless, say, buy a 40/2, a 28... but a D-SLR means using lenses I already own and where the D800 fails is size and weight, thank you for the hint or, rather, hitch...


Aug 18, 2026 at 01:29 AM
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GiovanniAprea wrote:
You know that's not too bad of an idea I remember of a kid who used to have one here where I live, I gotta try and reach him out to figure if he still has it to try and handle it, when I go abroad for the day I like to have camera with me but the Z6II is fine as per se, problem being lenses a bit too large unless, say, buy a 40/2, a 28... but a D-SLR means using lenses I already own and where the D800 fails is size and weight, thank you for the
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Body size certainly makes a difference. I have a D850 & D780 and I tend to favor fast wides (Sigma). Pairing the D850 with the Sigma 40 Art makes for a large package. Mind you, not so large that I won't carry it, but it's a beefy combo. Putting the 40 Art on the D780 and it almost strikes the perfect balance and is a noticeably lighter pairing.

The D780 is also a low light monster. Much better than the 850 for low light work.



Aug 18, 2026 at 10:07 AM
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p.1 #14 · Am I a masochist?


I understand that, I don't think it's that smart to add another body to what I already own (D800 and D850 on reflex), on the other hand I would love to try the Sigma 40 but afraid it's too short for what I like to do, I got the 24-35 and when it nails focus it does pretty well nonetheless heavy but I mean heavy vignetting.

I appreciate the lightness of the Z6II but most of it vanishes with lenses and with the anxiety of battery life, all in all a reflex camera doesn't add much bulk if one can make it without the ML aids



Aug 18, 2026 at 01:17 PM
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GiovanniAprea wrote:
I understand that, I don't think it's that smart to add another body to what I already own (D800 and D850 on reflex), on the other hand I would love to try the Sigma 40 but afraid it's too short for what I like to do, I got the 24-35 and when it nails focus it does pretty well nonetheless heavy but I mean heavy vignetting.

I appreciate the lightness of the Z6II but most of it vanishes with lenses and with the anxiety of battery life, all in all a reflex camera doesn't add much bulk if one can make
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You'd be better served by just swapping your Z6ii for a Z5ii, a much more capable camera all told, with all the newest focus aids and essentially the same great sensor.



Aug 18, 2026 at 01:20 PM
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That's another good idea, I got an itch for the Zf, you know, I love the knobs, that' why from time to time I grab the F3 but I'd wait till next year for a new body, the Z8 serves very well where I need and I still need to add a couple lenses to my S lineup and I like the camera to have base ISO 64 for my summer strolling. great hint by the way, thank you


Aug 18, 2026 at 01:32 PM
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GiovanniAprea wrote:
I am a masochist and want to challenge myself with the OVF and no real time exposure correction


Masochist? Nah... The OVF is still better than an EVF for shooting under regular lighting conditions. Can't beat the infinite resolution, gamut, peak brightness, and refresh rate!

IMO the reason to call yourself a masochist would be the loss of Z-level autofocus.



Aug 18, 2026 at 02:17 PM
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I don't consider going from an EVF to OVF to be a downgrade that you'd be "challenging" yourself with. Sure, with an OVF you don't see the camera's interpretation of the scene in near-real-time, but instead you get to see all the light the lens is projecting into the camera, with your own eye. Compared to an EVF, an OVF feeds much more data for your optic nerve to transmit to your brain to act upon more decisively. Especially a nice big bright OVF like the D850.

I continue to shoot motorsports stills with my D850 & D5 because I prefer the OVF. I find it much easier to track race cars in motion and time when I click the shutter when I look with my own eye through an SLR OVF. So much so that plain dynamic area C-AF with no tracking is more than fine for catching decisive moments rather than relying on a mirrorless with subject detection and tracking. I use my Z6 III with those things for video, but for getting the decisive moment in a still photo, I'm more effective with an SLR.

Disclaimer: I've had my sensory processing & reaction time tested and I'm apparently at the very top of the scale. Others may not experience the same advantage from an SLR OVF that I do. But that's why I continue to cling to my SLRs.



Aug 18, 2026 at 11:46 PM
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Let's be honest, as much as you have super human senses, if a scene is predictable and you have enough experience it really doesn't matter EVF or OVF, when there is high contrast or rapidly changing framing the EVF helps a lot, switching from one to another is not easy to adapt, where I had a challenge going back to OVF was acquiring focus and of course it doesn't depend on the OVF but rather on the autofocus helps of the ML tech, off a short distance at broad aperture the ML is a huge advantage nonetheless I love the challenge and if the result is just for own pleasure it only adds to the satisfaction if it works or forces to learn in case of failure.

When I was called to take photos where I had to deliver, at dusk and along night on a poor lit venue, I chose ML, again unpredictable light conditions and rapid erring subjects were challenging for my D850, still when things work I can't really tell a difference in the final result ML vs D-SLR



Aug 19, 2026 at 12:59 AM
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I've been a photographer long enough that I have used pretty much every viewfinder technology known to man. So far I have not found one that is optimum for every photographic situation. Some are much better than others, but so far I have not found one that I would use to the exclusion of all the rest. Currently the modern EVF and Optical (DSLR or Rangefinder) viewfinders are my choices. Neither works perfectly for all of my shooting, but I always have one that works well for the shot I'm trying to take.


Aug 19, 2026 at 10:34 AM
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