Okay, I'm in. My other positive LLL experiences showed some trust here and my love of the "11873" ever grows. Will be used with a M9M, SL2, and well, it's here so why not... BF.
blessingx wrote:
Okay, I'm in. My other positive LLL experiences showed some trust here and my love of the "11873" ever grows. Will be used with a M9M, SL2, and well, it's here so why not... BF.
Thanks for the discount code Fred!
Question - do you foresee yourself using the 11873 and this one together - what particular scenario ? If traveling - would you take both ?
lens_payoff_0l wrote: blessingx wroteOkay, I'm in. My other positive LLL experiences showed some trust here and my love of the "11873" ever grows. Will be used with a M9M, SL2, and well, it's here so why not... BF.
Thanks for the discount code Fred!Question - do you foresee yourself using the 11873 and this one together - what particular scenario ? If traveling - would you take both ?
We'll have to see once I play around with, but potentially travel with both. I sometimes take multiple lenses of the same focal length to cover the "rendering bases". Like a Nokton and an APO-Lanthar in the past. That said adding another 35 will likely cause another 35 to be sold off as I don't need what I currently have.
It's sharp - good
The bokeh isn't distracting - good
The black paint is glossy - don't like that, personally, but some will love it
It has a very long focus throw - not great for all but MFD wide open shooting
Wouldn't have a clue how APO-y it is thanks to his color grading and lack of valid tests. Shooting a single tree at a distance isn't exactly it.
Lots of lenses have good sharpness and not-distracting bokeh. This is still feeling like a bit of a tough value prop.
rscheffler wrote: RoamingScott wroteLots of lenses have good sharpness and not-distracting bokeh.Sharp 35mm lenses with 'not-distracting bokeh', are in a minority on M mount.
I’m quite excited to try this lens. I have a Leica 35 APO and will compare the two. Examples look great to me so far. My main concern is build quality, I’ve gone through 3 separate AA examples and have given up on that lens. The last one I wasn’t a fan of the feel of the focus ring, sent it back for repair and came back about 2% better - still unusable in my opinion. Other copies had severe focus issues and decentering issues
rsolti13 wrote:
Other copies had severe focus issues and decentering issues
Yeah, this part is bothersome. I see chatter all the time about people being on their second to third LLL servicing of their lens and it's still decentered, or has oil in it, or some other bit of inanity for lenses of this price.
I do not understand the BF fascination, nor its use with this lens given its sensor stack. The Voigtlander "comparison," at the end where he declares the LLL better for reasons he can't articulate was strange. Cosina's gonna have to start cutting some checks if they want solid coverage it seems.
I thought Omar Gonzalez's BF photos from Peru were terrific and gorgeous. There are some fun little lenses for it and some reasons it might call to someone in the same way an M camera does.
Giving the lens to BF shooters for first impressions online, though, IS curious.
We need to remember that most of the YT operators are engaged in 'building their own businesses' around their own identities. Hence all the presets and side mentions of other product lines - Bobby Tonelli even got a Rolex in his piece-to-camera LLL chat.
The idea is: you buy into their opinions rather than visit them for factual information, so you might make up your own mind. As we see in Robbie's effort above, that won't work for data literate viewers. Most simply do not know how to present information, and that is quite a failing.
What is the 'long' focus throw's actual rotation segments, for example? How is the lens better than the CV 35/2 APO, for another? Humor your viewers with the specifics, please (should you read this).
I'm not really watching YouTube "impressions" videos to get testing info. In fact, I find them no different than scrolling through this thread and seeing someone's photos and thoughts. Maybe I've lowered my expectations too far for YouTube, but honestly how many true testers are there out there? Even YTers that do tests, some of them will test corner sharpness on a bookshelf in their living room (where the slightest change in angle to the shelf will throw off the results) but never bother to test at infinity. So I guess I'd rather see someone's random rambling thoughts that leave things out than see something tested half-a$$ed.
One thing I appreciate about Manny Ortiz's reviews is that he tends to organize a photo shoot to test the camera/lens out. If you're not a portrait shooter, go somewhere interesting. If you're a street shooter, hit your go to spots heavy. Come back with something interesting for folks to look at. This is especially important if you're not the most charismatic presenter, lol.
Omar's images from Peru are cool. Never saw them before. He's definitely one of the more energetic camera reviewers. I don't watch him much though.
highdesertmesa wrote:
I'm not really watching YouTube "impressions" videos to get testing info. In fact, I find them no different than scrolling through this thread and seeing someone's photos and thoughts. Maybe I've lowered my expectations too far for YouTube, but honestly how many true testers are there out there? Even YTers that do tests, some of them will test corner sharpness on a bookshelf in their living room (where the slightest change in angle to the shelf will throw off the results) but never bother to test at infinity. So I guess I'd rather see someone's random rambling thoughts that leave things out than see something tested half-a$$ed....Show more →
Since it was posted here, I tried watching it, but it was hard to sit through him testing a highly corrected APO lens...specifically designed for the Leica M sensor stack, on that Sigma... He's definitely not the first to do this, but I kept watching anyway. That is, until he said the Voigtlander 35/2 APO is good, but doesn't have the "vintage vibe" of the LLL... Wait, what did you just say?! That's when I turned it off. I like the guy, but at this point, I'd much rather test and shoot the lens myself to see how it actually performs and renders compared other 35/2 lenses.
Fred Miranda wrote: highdesertmesa wroteI'm not really watching YouTube "impressions" videos to get testing info. In fact, I find them no different than scrolling through this thread and seeing someone's photos and thoughts. Maybe I've lowered my expectations too far for YouTube, but honestly how many true testers are there out there? Even YTers that do tests, some of them will test corner sharpness on a bookshelf in their living room (where the slightest change in angle to the shelf will throw off the results) but never bother to test at infinity. So I guess I'd rather see someone's random rambling thoughts that leave things out than see something tested half-a$$ed.Since it was posted here, I tried watching it, but it was hard to sit through him testing a highly corrected APO lens...specifically designed for the Leica M sensor stack, on that Sigma... He's definitely not the first to do this, but I kept watching anyway. That is, until he said the Voigtlander 35/2 APO is good, but doesn't have the "vintage vibe" of the LLL... Wait, what did you just say?! That's when I turned it off. I like the guy, but at this point, I'd much rather test and shoot the lens myself to see how it actually performs and renders compared other 35/2 lenses....Show more →
That part (among others) was particularly painful.