Sorry for the odd title
Wasn’t sure how to word it
I’m referring to the body extender that fits the RP ( R8??)
I still have mine both OEM and a JJC knock off even tho I gave away the RP body
It was great and massively improved the handling and ergonomics…hence why I kept hold
But why didn’t canon offer this solution for their crop bodies??
I only now have the R100 and R50 and this issue is my biggest gripe . It actually becomes uncomfortable! There’s just no where for your little finger to grip. I’ve currently got both bodies in a half leather case, that gives a deeper grip but still the little finger is just hanging!!
I have some great canon glass . Yesterday I was out with the R100 and had 300/4 Lis, 70-200/4Lisii also had the 70-300 is ii nano
The camera works brilliantly with all these lenses, but my god it’s so uncomfortable!!
I’d love to use my 70-300L and 100-400Lii with the F50 with its animal eye tracking feature. But the lack of pinky finger grip makes handing a horrible experience
Why doesn’t canon offer the extender or even better… a battery grip.
I suppose the R7 is the reason why? Canon wants you to buy that (or FF)
Is this yet another case of their infamous “Cripple Hammer” designed to force you to move up up up!!
Having owned the Canon RP, you must have known before buying the R100 and R50 that they would be too small and uncomfortable for your hands.
And that there wouldn’t be any battery grips available for them, as buyers of those models wouldn’t buy or need them anyway. Ok, some R7 users would buy one.
Why don’t you just buy a Canon body that fits comfortably in your hand, instead of constantly buying more Canon bodies that aren’t suitable for you and complaining that Canon isn’t meeting your needs?
You could also buy a Sony or Nikon if they fit better, and adapt your EF lenses.
I have a Wepoto grip extension on my R7. Adds about 1/2 inch (12 mm) of additional height to the body, gives your hand a little more room to hold it. Helpful with a longer lens.
I don't know if that brand offers extensions for other Canon bodies or not but it's worth looking into. It's aluminum alloy, pretty solid, and has provisions for easy access to the battery door on the bottom of the camera.
I agree with you about the size of Canon's lower end R bodies. I actually bought and sold the R100 twice; it is just too small. I am now shooting an R10 which is a bit bigger and has features I prefer to have that the R100 does not. I got used to the size of the R10, not by adding a grip/extension, but by selling off most of my EF glass.
I replaced: Sigma 8-16mm, Tokina 12-28mm, 35IS, 18-135 nano, 55-250STM. Replacements: RFs 10-18, RFs 14-30, RFs 18-150, Sigma 30mm f/.14, RF 16mm f/2.8, RF 50 f/1.8. Don't forget not having to use and adapter for every lens. Also sold the 90D. The weight savings for any particular set-up is 50% to 75%, WHICH IS HUGE, to me anyway. The smaller/lighter RF lenses brought me whole-hog into the R-system. And the R10 runs circles around the 90D in every regard.
I did keep a few EF lenses, simply because I use them so infrequently that they are not worth replacing. They 100L, 70-300 II, Sigma 150-600 C. The sigma is a behemoth on the R10. Mindset adjustment required. I am no longer carrying a heavy, cumbersome set-up. Now, when I use it, I am carrying a very good, older lens, that weighs a ton, on a way better camera than I used before.
Pixelpuffin wrote:
Sorry for the odd title
Wasn’t sure how to word it
Get a grip, man!
;-)
(That’s what they are called.)
One more option to consider, if you haven’t already. A decade or more ago I started adding small Fujifilm APS-C cameras to my Canon setup, especially for travel. At first the small size and tightly spaced controls gave me some trouble. But after I shot a lot with the smaller cameras I figured out better ways to hold them and adapted.
If not, though, good luck on your search for something that will make your current gear more comfortable for you.
gdanmitchell wrote: Pixelpuffin wroteSorry for the odd title
Wasn’t sure how to word itGet a grip, man!
;-)
(That’s what they are called.)
One more option to consider, if you haven’t already. A decade or more ago I started adding small Fujifilm APS-C cameras to my Canon setup, especially for travel. At first the small size and tightly spaced controls gave me some trouble. But after I shot a lot with the smaller cameras I figured out better ways to hold them and adapted.
If not, though, good luck on your search for something that will make your current gear more comfortable for you.
I’ve found something online that might work
The description is very vague and it only adds 10mm to the base (I think)??) but it gives a much deeper grip that might make things more comfortable.
I’m surprised JJC hasn’t capitalised on this? They made a booster base for the RP which I bought ( still have it). But canon really needs to start paying more attention to the aps-c system. It’s almost like it’s a hook! To grab you, get you frustrated and move on up to FF.
I may later in the year pick up the R8 simply because I can then fit the RP booster. But like I said previously I’m no longer that bothered about FF. I’m enjoying just taking snaps these days
gdanmitchell wrote: Pixelpuffin wroteSorry for the odd title
Wasn’t sure how to word itGet a grip, man!
;-)
(That’s what they are called.)
One more option to consider, if you haven’t already. A decade or more ago I started adding small Fujifilm APS-C cameras to my Canon setup, especially for travel. At first the small size and tightly spaced controls gave me some trouble. But after I shot a lot with the smaller cameras I figured out better ways to hold them and adapted.
If not, though, good luck on your search for something that will make your current gear more comfortable for you.
I’ve found something online that might work
The description is very vague and it only adds 10mm to the base (I think)??) but it gives a much deeper grip that might make things more comfortable.
I’m surprised JJC hasn’t capitalised on this? They made a booster base for the RP which I bought ( still have it). But canon really needs to start paying more attention to the aps-c system. It’s almost like it’s a hook! To grab you, get you frustrated and move on up to FF.
I may later in the year pick up the R8 simply because I can then fit the RP booster. But like I said previously I’m no longer that bothered about FF. I’m enjoying just taking snaps these days
I may later in the year pick up the R8 simply because I can then fit the RP booster. …
Could it be that, after buying the R8, you’ll find that your existing Canon RF-S lenses, when used in APS-C mode on the R8, simply don’t offer nearly enough megapixels?
There is always something. That’s life.
I may later in the year pick up the R8 simply because I can then fit the RP booster. …Could it be that, after buying the R8, you’ll find that your existing Canon RF-S lenses, when used in APS-C mode on the R8, simply don’t offer nearly enough megapixels?
There is always something. That’s life.
I used to have the RP so I still have a few RF lenses (16, 24, 28, 35, 50, 85 and 24-105) admittedly they’re all the cheap end ….cough cough - but they do cover the full frame sensor plus they all shine on crop, one of the reasons I’m in no rush to go back to FF if I can help it.
Pixelpuffin wrote:
Why doesn’t canon offer the extender or even better… a battery grip.
Is this yet another case of their infamous “Cripple Hammer” designed to force you to move up up up!!
Imagemaster wrote:
How about because they would lose money making something the majority of those owning those models do not need or want. Only a few whiners like you.
I'm the first to believe Canon very carefully selects features to fit specific markets and demographics. They are geniuses at it, leaving specific features to higher categories. Call it the "cripple hammer", call it "market segmentation"--you can't deny it, it's evident through out their product history, and they often get caught by Sony or Nikon and have to something back in in response.
But I have to agree, the lack of provisions for a grip extension in R50/R100 etc is likely to remove complexity and cost. The market for these cameras are users coming from smartphones and content creators. 99.9% of them will be used with the kit lens and perhaps one extra small telephoto like a 55-210mm. A lower grip for portrait or balancing out a professional telephoto lens is low on those users needs. What is important? Audio for video creation.
So the contacts inside the battery compartment to allow the grip buttons to drive the camera UI? That's cost saved by removing it and the man hours to verify and test the mechanical and electronic design and production quality.
In turn that same "feature content" budget is now allocated for say, the multi function audio shoe on the top...which drives attach revenue from accessories like the miniature shotgun microphone they sell. They'll likely only sell three battery grips, but likely thousands of microphones for the next Mr. Beast.
FWIW I designed a body extender for my RP but lately I haven't been using it. I use an SL1 with a 400mm f5.6L and have just gotten used a smaller grip and holding the entire combination differently.
Imagemaster wrote: Pixelpuffin wroteWhy doesn’t canon offer the extender or even better… a battery grip.
I suppose the R7 is the reason why? Canon wants you to buy that (or FF)
Is this yet another case of their infamous “Cripple Hammer” designed to force you to move up up up!!
God its tiring !!How about because they would lose money making something the majority of those owning those models do not need or want. Only a few whiners like you.
Yeah, it is just a massive conspiracy by Canon, because Nikon, Sony, etc., would never do such a thing.
Maybe try buying a model in the first place that comfortably fits in your hand? Duh!
God, your whining is tiring.
Oh FFS
You again.. the forum bore!!
Why don’t you go cock your leg someplace else eh
Or better still.. fall off a cliff!!
Pixelpuffin wrote:
But why didn’t canon offer this solution for their crop bodies??
Best guess is a combination of reasons.
In order for a fully functional battery grip to work, the camera body needs some extra connection points to the grip. That adds some costs, and Canon (and other manufacturers) these days are loathe to increase their manufacturing costs. Rising prices are a real issue for consumers, and the APS-C Canon bodies are targeted at a more price-sensitive segment of the market.
I’ll bet that Canon’s own market tracking showed that a very small percentage of those who buy such cameras bought battery grips, putting Canon in the position of either raising the price for them (and depressing sales further) or keeping the cost low and not making a worthwhile profit.
I’m not sure if it is the case with this camera, but there may be third party non-battery grips available — I know that they are for other brands and models. These typically add a small amount of thickness to the camera bottom and enhance (or even add) a larger grip under the shutter button side of the camera.
Of course, if you really need a larger camera… then you may just want to look at purchasing one!
gdanmitchell wrote: Pixelpuffin wroteBut why didn’t canon offer this solution for their crop bodies??Best guess is a combination of reasons.
In order for a fully functional battery grip to work, the camera body needs some extra connection points to the grip. That adds some costs, and Canon (and other manufacturers) these days are loathe to increase their manufacturing costs. Rising prices are a real issue for consumers, and the APS-C Canon bodies are targeted at a more price-sensitive segment of the market.
I’ll bet that Canon’s own market tracking showed that a very small percentage of those who buy such cameras bought battery grips, putting Canon in the position of either raising the price for them (and depressing sales further) or keeping the cost low and not making a worthwhile profit.
I’m not sure if it is the case with this camera, but there may be third party non-battery grips available — I know that they are for other brands and models. These typically add a small amount of thickness to the camera bottom and enhance (or even add) a larger grip under the shutter button side of the camera.
Of course, if you really need a larger camera… then you may just want to look at purchasing one! ...Show more →
I appreciate all that, I really do 👍🏻
But the lowly 400d had a grip.. heck even the old film rebel…the eos300 had a grip. Actually they created two versions the bp200 and bp220 for 300v and 300x
Yet today the whole canon crop line up is as basic as they can get away with.
I added the list of my RF prime lenses up thread
If you factor in the crop factor they are fantastic focal lengths
How fabulous is that!!
Canon needs to embrace the crop bodys and stop using it as low hanging fruit!
I do not want to go full frame no more
Been there, done it, have the T-Shirt
I hope canon releases another small crop model but with accessories like body booster grips or battery grips.
I recently fished out my old 400d, it’s actually almost the same size as the SL1
With the battery grip fitted it is so comfortable to use. I tried it with the 70-200F4Lis mkii
It handled beautifully
Take the grip off and it’ handles like the R100 and R50
I also have a 3rd party battery grip for the SL1..again it totally transforms the cameras handling
Something as simple as a better grip makes such a huge difference to the user dnjoyment
C’mon canon - stop pushing everyone towards FF some of us just don’t need nor want it
Since buying the R100/R50
I’ve bought Two Cages, 2 Half Leather Cases, Two Silicone Covers… and now I’m about to order Two more Grips I’ve found online
All this faffing and wasting time and money because canon doesn’t really care about the aps-c system other than it’s a hook to snare buyers from buying into another brand… so basically out of sheer spite really.
I had an R10 for a year or so, purchased for travel, but could not adapt to the small size and (especially) the cramped viewfinder. Plus, Canon's RF-S lens selection was/is not to my taste.
I upgrade to an R8 with a few Canon STM primes (and recently the f/2.8 STM zooms) and am quite happy. Fantastic IQ for the price, good handling with the extension grip, yet still compact and light weight enough. Most of the STM lenses I own are stabilized, so the lack of IBIS has not been a deal-breaker.
One of the main reasons that cropped aensor bodies (thogh not the only one) was economic — FF sensor bodies raised the price considerably. That is far less the case today, and it isnt too surprising that ((Fujifilm and MFT ASIDE) cropped sensor models are and will continue to be relegated to the low end. And few budget minded people buying these cameras are likely to tolerate the cost of grips.
That is disappointing to some, but it is pretty inevitable.
For me the R8 is small enough.
With light RF lenses, even the 100-400, I use it without grip extension.
For heavier, e.g. L, lenses, I put on the grip extension.