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A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica

  
 
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p.1 #1 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


I've been shooting with a Canon P for a little bit now. I've come to love the experience. It is is refreshingly simple to use. It has been challenging me to actually learn (things like hyperfocal distance, Sunny 16, incident vs reflective light, etc.), which I find both stimulating and rewarding. I feel more present when I shoot film. I still use my Sony digital all the time. But the Sony feels like a means to an end whereas the Canon P feels like the end, if that makes sense.

Here are some gripes I have with the Canon P:


  1. The viewfinder kinda sucks. I wear glasses. I occasionally wear contacts and can briefly get by w/o glasses to take a shot, but this is less than ideal. I mainly shoot 35mm. I can still make out the 35mm frame lines, but I have to sort of hunt for them.
  2. The focus patch is very dim. It's nearly impossible to find in some settings. I've come to just trust my instinct and roll with the punches, but I would absolutely welcome a brighter, wider viewfinder.
  3. The rewind lever is a little janky. The little wind arm frequently comes loose and has to be re-tightened. Not a huge deal, but is slightly annoying and I stress about losing it.


That's really about it. The Canon P is built like a tank. It feels solid. There's not much to complain about.

On the topic of viewfinders, I am aware that the Zeiss Ikon ZM is the gold standard for large viewfinders, but I'm apprehensive about buying used, electronically powered gear. It's unfortunate because it's otherwise a perfect option for me price-/function-wise.

I've also read mixed feedback about the 0.72 and 0.58 Leica viewfinders. Some people say 0.72 is fine; others claim that 0.58 is a godsend and that 0.72 & 0.85 are totally unusable. It's difficult to predict which camp I I will fall within because the Canon P is unique with its 1x magnification.

As a brief aside — on the topic of the 1x magnification — I must say that I really don't understand the hype for the 1x mag. A big part of my motivation to buying the Canon P was the appeal of shooting with both eyes open. However, in practice, I still find myself closing one eye because the viewfinder is kinda shit and closing one eye helps me see more clearly. Maybe the one eye thing is just a habit I need to kick, but I still think the appeal is overblown.

Consequently, I am suspicious that 0.58 might be similarly overblown. Even if 0.58 improves the viewfinder experience for glasses-wearers, I am apprehensive to voluntarily worsen the experience of shooting with 50mm+ lenses.

Like so many before me, I went down the rabbit hole of trying to find the perfect rangefinder and ultimately discovered why Leica is so expensive. They last forever and are (for the most part) well supported by the mfg. and have excellent third party support. Which is to say: repairability and longevity are key criteria for me. I looked into the alternatives like Konica Minolta, the Bessas, the Zeiss Ikon, etc. and none strike all of the boxes. They ultimately feel like a slightly discounted compromise. If I'm between a $2000 camera that might have issues and a $3000 camera that is guaranteed to work forever, I'm going for the latter. The modern options like the Pentax 17 and Lomo MC-A do not appeal to me.

Segueing into my requirements — I am trying to keep my budget around $3k. I prefer something all mechanical. I am open to having a built-in light meter, but I'm slightly preferential to just using an external one unless the body is relatively new and is expected to get many years from the TTL meter. Ultimately, I'm just not interested in coping with dead components. Call me a purist, whatever. I primarily shoot with 35mm. I tend to shoot street when using film, so I suspect that 28mm, 35mm, and 50mm will be my goto focal lengths. However, I would probably be equally happy with 35mm, 50mm, and either 75 or 90mm. (For really long, logistically challenging shots, I just shoot digital).

I think that leaves the following options:


  1. M-A: Probably the holy grail option. Sadly, way out of budget.
  2. M2: While it checks the boxes, I've read that it's not that much better than the Canon P. Not worth it.
  3. M5: I don't think it's as ugly as others makes it out to be. Though it has a light meter, I actually like the needle style. I don't like the shutter dial. I suspect I'll knock it with my fingers all the time.
  4. M4-P: As I understand it, this is just a budget M-A option. It's a top contender.
  5. M6 Classic: Beautiful, checks all the boxes. This is a top contender.
  6. M6 TTL: Same as Classic but has a lightmeter. Tends to be more expensive, but also newer. Top contender.
  7. M6 Reissue: I would probably just buy this if I could afford it.
  8. MP: Seems to just be an improved M6? Similarly open to this model, but I think it's out of budget.


Does anyone have experience with any or all of these and can provide some perspective? Any surprises or lessons learned from working with any of these bodies?

Thoughts on 0.58 vs 0.72?

Thoughts on TTL vs no-TTL?

Any other sleeper options worth my consideration? I'm not married to Leica necessarily. I just highly suspect I'll never be totally happy until I experience it for myself.



Jul 21, 2026 at 09:53 AM
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p.1 #2 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


M-A is the camera that get less service requests of all the M cameras.
M4 cameras are for a difficult time in Leica history; some inside components are plastic, so the value is less than M6

M6 cameras are good, still being serviced; some older ones have a viewfinder replaced with the MP version, less flare in the rangefinder, and easier to focus.

.72 is what most M10 and M11 use; it is good for 50 to 28.
.58 is more dedicated to the 28-35mm shooter. The 50mm becomes more difficult to focus.



Jul 21, 2026 at 11:22 AM
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p.1 #3 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


0.72 is fine for 35mm lenses. Not much space around the framelines if you wear glasses, but it’s ok.

I really liked the Hexar RF for 35mm when I had it, but it’s not a must have IMO.



Jul 21, 2026 at 11:42 AM
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p.1 #4 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


TTL refers to the ability for the camera to communicate with a flash for improved flash photography. The only analog M cameras with it are the M6 TTL and the M7. The SF-20 and SF-24d are the only currently available flashes that work with the system. The Metz 54 series had interchangeable modules to sync with different systems but they haven't been made in over a decade.


Jul 21, 2026 at 11:45 AM
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p.1 #5 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


madNbad wrote:
TTL refers to the ability for the camera to communicate with a flash for improved flash photography. The only analog M cameras with it are the M6 TTL and the M7.


Ah thanks for the clarification. I thought it just referred to the fact that the lightmeter takes its reading through the lens.

As I understand it (and as someone above points out), when some M6 Classic units get serviced, their parts are swapped with more modern MP parts. Does this apply to TTL as well? I am curious if pre-TTL M6 units are capable of being retrofitted into TTL units.

This has been a minor nuisance with M6 shopping. Sometimes, I see units advertised as "M6 Classic" but the FS description will specify that the unit has TTL flash metering. I suppose the trouble really lies in some sellers not always retaining the full ledger of the camera's service history.




Jul 21, 2026 at 12:11 PM
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p.1 #6 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


M3 has the best OVF ever, .092x viewfinder, but 35mm means using the goggled lenses or a separate viewfinder. Still have one of the M3s and the 35mm Summicron I bought in 1968.
M6 with .72 viewfinder is the most practical, with built in light meter and frames from 35 to 90. 28 frame is pretty useless especially if you wear glasses.
Any of them miles better than any Canon or Nikon OVF.

Gerry



Jul 21, 2026 at 12:30 PM
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p.1 #7 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


sean_s wrote:
Ah thanks for the clarification. I thought it just referred to the fact that the lightmeter takes its reading through the lens.

As I understand it (and as someone above points out), when some M6 Classic units get serviced, their parts are swapped with more modern MP parts. Does this apply to TTL as well? I am curious if pre-TTL M6 units are capable of being retrofitted into TTL units.

This has been a minor nuisance with M6 shopping. Sometimes, I see units advertised as "M6 Classic" but the FS description will specify that the unit has TTL flash metering. I suppose
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The rangefinder and viewfinder are often upgraded with the newer MP version. In 1977 when Leitz moved production to Canada, a small condenser was removed from the rangefinder path to simplify manufacturing and to reduce cost. It was a minor change but when held at a certain angle, the viewfinder would blank to white. The MP replaced the condenser, gave the windows a new multi-coating and changed the shutter seals to a synthetic material.
Often the problems with the meters in the TTL are related to flash control. Those meters are no longer available. The 2022 reissue M6 uses a new meter and there are various reports of third party replacement meters for the M6 Classic.



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p.1 #8 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


sean_s wrote:
M2:
While it checks the boxes, I've read that it's not that much better than the Canon P. Not worth it.


I have none of your Canon issues with my M2. It's reliable, bright and easy to focus in low light, and the frame lines are perfect for 35mm. Poll some other glasses wearers if the 35 lines work for them, but I have no problems using sunglasses with mine.



Jul 21, 2026 at 12:32 PM
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Well, it looks like one of the M6 variants will suit you the best. Here are the differences between a M6 and M6-TTL

Key Differences at a GlanceFlash Metering (TTL): The most significant functional difference. The M6 TTL supports through-the-lens flash control when used with compatible dedicated flash units. The Classic M6 only supports non-TTL flash (or manual flash via the PC sync port).

Body Size: To fit the TTL circuit board, the M6 TTL is exactly 2mm taller than the Classic M6.Shutter Speed Dial:

The M6 TTL has a larger shutter speed dial that is much easier to adjust with your index finger while looking through the viewfinder. However, the dial rotates in the opposite direction of the Classic M6.Viewfinder LEDs: The original M6 uses two LED arrows in the viewfinder. The M6 TTL uses three LEDs, adding a center "correct exposure" dot between the arrows, and features an "Off" position on the shutter dial to save battery. It should be noted that on later M6 Classics setting the Shutter Dial to "B" also turns off the light meter and saves battery. So no functional difference.

Viewfinder Magnification: While the classic M6 was primarily available with a 0.72x magnification, the M6 TTL offered both 0.72x and a 0.85x magnification (which is highly favored by users of 50mm and 90mm lenses for more precise focusing).

I have a mid 1990's classic M6 for film. I absolutely love that camera. Compact, light weight, everything you need to shoot film. Unless you primarily shoot long focal lengths I say get the 0.72 viewfinder. It matches the modern Ms and Leica made that choice for a reason. Since Leica still makes the M6 Classic getting service and parts is not an issue. Even for the light meter circuit boards that were a problem for a while.

You can by a new M6 and be 100% sure you will be problem free and under warranty but they are expensive compared to a pristine newly CLA'd classic from the 1990s which are available here from about $2,500 +- with two year warranty, and lots of extras. That is what I bought.



Jul 21, 2026 at 12:41 PM
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p.1 #10 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


1bwana1 wrote:
Well, it looks like one of the M6 variants will suit you the best. Here are the differences between a M6 and M6-TTL
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You can by a new M6 and be 100% sure you will be problem free and under warranty but they are expensive compared to a pristine newly CLA'd classic from the 1990s which are available here from about $2,500 +- with two year warranty, and lots of extras. That is what I bought.


Thank you so much for these insights. Super helpful. I think you're probably correct that the M6 is right for me. I think you're the second person to suggest to me that the risk of lightmeter-failure (at least in the M6) is sort of a non issue given the repairability of them.

Related blog post here; relevant snippet:


In January 2020, I asked reknowned Leica repair tech, Don Goldberg what he thought of the reliability of the M6 TTL meter.

“I’ve had 2 Leica M6-TTL cameras in so far that needed new main circuit boards. That’s out of 489 M6-TTL cameras that I’ve had in for repair.” This as as of July 2019. And those two board replacements? “One of the circuit boards that was bad was due to someone removing the body shell without first removing parts that got in the way of the main board & damaged the board. The other one I think was defective & had
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Unfortunately, I have not seen any $2500 M6 units FS here on FM. The going rate for a non-Reissue unit (Classic or TTL) is seems to be closer to $3000–$3500. Perhaps I just need to be patient and wait for a better deal.



Jul 21, 2026 at 01:06 PM
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p.1 #11 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


Leica hasn’t figured out how to make the circuit board from the M6 Reissue work in the M6 Classic.

Amsterdam Camera Repair is making new circuit boards for the M6 Classic, however.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DCFeStwISOG/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==



Jul 21, 2026 at 01:09 PM
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p.1 #12 · A brief review of the Canon P: Help me choose my first Leica


OffTrail wrote:
I have none of your Canon issues with my M2. It's reliable, bright and easy to focus in low light, and the frame lines are perfect for 35mm. Poll some other glasses wearers if the 35 lines work for them, but I have no problems using sunglasses with mine.


It's quite possible that the unit I received has issues uncharacteristic of a proper CLA'd unit. I have no doubt that the M2 is superior to the Canon P. However, I don't think the going rate for M2s are justified given their age. For a good deal on a recently CLA'd unit, I might reconsider.



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sean_s wrote:
Thank you so much for these insights. Super helpful. I think you're probably correct that the M6 is right for me. I think you're the second person to suggest to me that the risk of lightmeter-failure (at least in the M6) is sort of a non issue given the repairability of them.

Related blog post here; relevant snippet:

Unfortunately, I have not seen any $2500 M6 units FS here on FM. The going rate for a non-Reissue unit (Classic or TTL) is seems to be closer to $3000–$3500. Perhaps I just need to be patient and wait for a better deal.


Here in Italy I think you could find a camera for the price I mentioned.




Jul 21, 2026 at 01:35 PM
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I had a Canon P, and it was great for the price point. But I found the hazy rf blob miserable to use compared to an M. And yeah, the rewind lever is a bit janky but it was fine.
The M3 (I have one) is great if you use 50mm or longer. But I would not say it is the best finder, only great if you use 50 or longer.
The .72 finder is great for 35 and 50 - for 28 it's not useable really w glasses because even w/o them you need to jam your eye in there to see all the frame liines. But there is a reason that it is the most popular/default finder - it just works. And is fine w glasses.
The .58 is great for 28mm lenses, and 35s. If those are your main shooter, then I would recommend the .58. The thing to remember is the RF baseline is the same in all these cameras, the only difference is in VF magnification. So if you throw on a VF magnifier, that .58 becomes a .82-ish with a 1.4 magnifier.
Problem is .58 cameras are very expensive and rare.
I wouldn't bother with a .85 M - again rare so expensive, and pretty much a 50mm and up only camera. It may be cheaper to get a .72 camera AND a Leica M3 which has the .91 finder!
The M5's shutter speed dial is actually awesome. And no way can you accidentally bump/move it w your finger. It takes very deliberate pressure to change the shutter speeds.

I had a ZM for a little while. It was nice but I did not like the huge finder. I actually found it too big - it made it hard to center your eye correctly so that it was properly aligned with the RF patch, and if you did not the RF patch would flare out.
Also the exposure LEDs were very hard to see in bright light, and the RF patch was not synchronized with the frame lines, so as you focused the frame lines would change position but the RF patch stayed put. Leica does this correctly where the rf patch is in sync with the parallax movements.



Jul 21, 2026 at 02:18 PM







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