Wait. A few days ago it was Sony with the terrible, awful, no good menus.?And now it is Fujifilm? Next up, Canon? Then Nikon? Oh, right, not Nikon... ;-)
More seriously on this topic, does anyone think that any modern camera menus are actually "good?" My theory is that there's simply a fundamental problem with the type of nested menu structure that they use when there are so many adjustable parameters and when it is very difficult to categorize them logically into just a few top level divisions.
In the end, while I think that brands exhibit more or fewer good/poor practices in menu design, and while personal preferences vary quite a bit, I think that the problem is bigger than any single brand and more about the challenges of using the common approach to menus with systems that are so complicated and which have so many variables.
RoamingScott wrote:
Oh God, Fuji's got arguably the worst menus in all of cameras. They have dragged a decade of new features and stuffed them into incomprehensible corners of the UI, all with an extra layer of translation confusion requiring more than looking up the feature in the user manual to understand exactly what they do.
Different strokes for different folks. In my case, I found Fuji’s menu system pretty intuitive, rarely needing to google something to set it properly. Nikon was just okay here, I needed google a few times. However, setting up a custom set for the Z’s was a pita compared to Fuji. Sony is a bit better here, but has its own cluges and I’ve used google a fair bit. At least with Sony, I’ve been able to program function buttons to assist in faster access to regularly changed settings. Perhaps the best feature of the Fuji cams *for me* was the dedicated Q menu button, allowing multiple things I wanted to quickly access at a button press. Sony has a less direct version of this, much like Fujis My Menu, which I never needed because of their Q menu utility.
As Dan noted, nothing is perfect. And in the end as long as I can get there is what matters *to me.* I respect that others mileage will vary on this…
RoamingScott wrote:
Oh God, Fuji's got arguably the worst menus in all of cameras. They have dragged a decade of new features and stuffed them into incomprehensible corners of the UI, all with an extra layer of translation confusion requiring more than looking up the feature in the user manual to understand exactly what they do.
The current Sony menu system is bad, no question. But then again: Most functions I don't need after an initial set-up anyway. Those I need I can access through the Fn or other function buttons. Same for Fuji.
Jack Flesher wrote:
Different strokes for different folks. In my case, I found Fuji’s menu system pretty intuitive, rarely needing to google something to set it properly. Nikon was just okay here, I needed google a few times. However, setting up a custom set for the Z’s was a pita compared to Fuji. Sony is a bit better here, but has its own cluges and I’ve used google a fair bit. At least with Sony, I’ve been able to program function buttons to assist in faster access to regularly changed settings. Perhaps the best feature of the Fuji cams *for me* was the dedicated Q menu button, allowing multiple things I wanted to quickly access at a button press. Sony has a less direct version of this, much like Fujis My Menu, which I never needed because of their Q menu utility.
As Dan noted, nothing is perfect. And in the end as long as I can get there is what matters *to me.* I respect that others mileage will vary on this…...Show more →
Amen regarding the Fujifilm Q button. I use it a lot in the field.
RoamingScott wrote:
Oh God, Fuji's got arguably the worst menus in all of cameras. They have dragged a decade of new features and stuffed them into incomprehensible corners of the UI, all with an extra layer of translation confusion requiring more than looking up the feature in the user manual to understand exactly what they do.
Maybe it's because I've used Fuji on and off for 5 years, but my experience with Sony make Fuji look easy.
Jack Flesher wrote:
Clearly Sony could take a lesson from Fuji on menu UI design, no disagreement. But they’ve come a long way since early mirrorless in both ergos and UI, to the point now I can happily manage with them for the various ways I shoot. I also really appreciate having a full frame sensor in a small camera, along with lenses that interchange with my bigger body. It’s for these reasons I made the switch.
For someone with more sony experience the A7CII/R is a great set up. For full frame in this size I'm using a Lumix S9 now. Much easier to operate and has better IBIS and less high ISO noise than the A7CII. There are some light lenses like the Lumux 40mm f/2 that I enjoy. But it lacks the mechanical shutter and EVF of the Sony, which is a deal killer for many. I do enjoy the S9 for photography, but it makes me value the EVF more on my other cameras.
Driften wrote:
For someone with more sony experience the A7CII/R is a great set up. For full frame in this size I'm using a Lumix S9 now. Much easier to operate and has better IBIS and less high ISO noise than the A7CII. There are some light lenses like the Lumux 40mm f/2 that I enjoy. But it lacks the mechanical shutter and EVF of the Sony, which is a deal killer for many. I do enjoy the S9 for photography, but it makes me value the EVF more on my other cameras.
The S9 is a great option for sure, but in my case I wanted the extra MP of the A7C2 and lens compatibility with the larger Sony body.
Since this has seemed to veer off topic anyway - I hear people liking the S9 but when I tried it a while ago I thought the back image was so dim I wasn't sure how it would cope with a sunny day. Have they improved this?
