Jeff Nolten wrote:
Ok, it did on my 80D and G1X3 but others? DoNo
Ah, very nice. I thought it was only working on the high end, R6/2 not being it, but it also works on 80D and G1X? Well I can't get the compass on any of my cameras, R6/2, R10, R50, 6D, 200D... Sigh. Typical Canon being feature short
EB-1 wrote:
I don't recall anything special about the 5D III color, but I tended to the use the 1Ds III at low ISO back then.
The 1DX was better for retaining a level of decent color quality at higher ISOs than the other old-school Canons prior to the 2016 sensors.
I had never considered the EVF for viewing settings, but I was able to eliminate the readers for constantly checking sharpness on the rear LCD.
EBH
I'm not sure there was anything special about 5DIII/1DX colors from that time but it was easy to get a nice looking image (skin tones) and Adobe's profiles that emulated Canon's for those cameras, were not annoying. I think it was around 2016 when for a while Adobe didn't release profiles for new Canon cameras that emulated Canon's own color/picture styles and we were stuck with Adobe's own profiles that were kind of bland in comparison. From what I remember, it took more tweaking.
MintMar wrote:
Ah, very nice. I thought it was only working on the high end, R6/2 not being it, but it also works on 80D and G1X? Well I can't get the compass on any of my cameras, R6/2, R10, R50, 6D, 200D... Sigh. Typical Canon being feature short
Just tried it on the R5 and G, but don't have any DSLRs any more. The R5 gets position just fine but doesn't seem to have direction info. The embarrassing thing is the GP-E2 doesn't seem to work with the G1X3 at all. I could'a sworn. Maybe it was an older G Now it only wants GPS data from a smart phone.
Sorry if I've mislead. Maybe I'm remembering the 5D4 with its built-in GPS that could also give direction information. ??
rscheffler wrote:
I'm not sure there was anything special about 5DIII/1DX colors from that time but it was easy to get a nice looking image (skin tones) and Adobe's profiles that emulated Canon's for those cameras, were not annoying. I think it was around 2016 when for a while Adobe didn't release profiles for new Canon cameras that emulated Canon's own color/picture styles and we were stuck with Adobe's own profiles that were kind of bland in comparison. From what I remember, it took more tweaking.
I always used DPP in those days and sometimes PP with the Noisy Ninja or Neat Images. From what I recalled the high ISO color noise of the 5D III was so bad that when you cleared it up there was not much usable color left. Of course it's no propblem for modern AI NR now, but the the 5D IV was naturally much better at high ISO for noise.
Jeff Nolten wrote:
Just tried it on the R5 and G, but don't have any DSLRs any more. The R5 gets position just fine but doesn't seem to have direction info. The embarrassing thing is the GP-E2 doesn't seem to work with the G1X3 at all. I could'a sworn. Maybe it was an older G Now it only wants GPS data from a smart phone.
Sorry if I've mislead. Maybe I'm remembering the 5D4 with its built-in GPS that could also give direction information. ??
That's a good question - I have a friend with 5D4 to ask. Nevertheless, 6D with built-in GPS does not give direction. Canon feature trickle at its best.
MintMar wrote:
That's a good question - I have a friend with 5D4 to ask. Nevertheless, 6D with built-in GPS does not give direction. Canon feature trickle at its best.
Well, I have to apologize again. I looked at GPS data for all the cameras in my Lightroom library and none of the Canons had direction info. 5D4, 6D, 6D2. All of the various iPhones did. The iPhones only express ordinal points.
I doubt there is any compass in the 5D IV. Direction is just the relative sequential position of the GPS coordinates perhaps a running average or something like that.
I had this same thought process / realization. I had the 5DSR, a whole bunch of EF lenses, and planned to slowly migrate to RF as used versions popped up. The R5 with adapter arrived first (thankfully), so I hadn't parted with too many lenses. I ended up selling the 5DSR, immediately regretted it, and picked up another one shortly after.
It's hard to describe as the R5 is definitely technically better almost across the board (except battery life), but the images out of the 5DSR are just special. Never could have imaged that the R5 would be the backup camera to my 5D... ha. I won't be making the same mistake again!
Jeff Nolten wrote:
Well, I have to apologize again. I looked at GPS data for all the cameras in my Lightroom library and none of the Canons had direction info. 5D4, 6D, 6D2. All of the various iPhones did. The iPhones only express ordinal points.
No problem, I guess your unconscious wishes became true in your memory. Yea, I'd wish to have the direction too.
We can always buy another one Actually my favorite camera of all time was the IDMK 2N. 8.1 Megapixels. So what. That didn't stop me from getting great pictures of diving pelicans and my daughter doing her ballet jumps and spins in shows. I was actually looking at some last night. This camera had a retail list price of $3999 when it came out and now you can get them in really good condition for less than $500. I would pair it primarily with my 70 - 300. I would to take a controlled picture of the same subject matter outside and compare the two images with my camera set at the same focal length. The N is a 1.3 not a full frame so that would take some adjustments.
Jman13 wrote:
I've also begun shooting with DSLRs again, picking up first a 5D II and then a 5DsR....something about the feel is just wonderful, not to mention the value. While I shoot Nikon mirrorless now, for DSLRs I've always preferred Canon's ergonomics and way of doing things. I thought about getting a 5D IV, but the 5Ds R makes more sense for what I'm shooting with it.
I've been hemming and hawing on getting a 5D to replace my RP (I posted in the other DSLR thread). I agree, the feel of a large body that fits my (admittedly large) hands trumps the smaller mirrorless bodies.
Though, the big problem I'm having with the mirrorless cameras is that they feel more like yet another electronic with a screen. Like I'm just playing around with a tablet or phone. I feel like I spent a bunch of time tapping, pressing buttons, navigating menus, setting up junk, etc.
I really want to get back to an optical viewfinder and a more obvious, point->focus->shoot workflow.
My 5D, 5D III (and 6D) all had a more ergonomic feel, in my opinion.
5D IV is pretty similar to the 5D III, so very easy to adapt to it.
The main issue I had with the 5D IV was the rather slow speed of 7FPS and buffet that was slow to clear even with CF cards.
kakomu wrote:
Though, the big problem I'm having with the mirrorless cameras is that they feel more like yet another electronic with a screen. Like I'm just playing around with a tablet or phone. I feel like I spent a bunch of time tapping, pressing buttons, navigating menus, setting up junk, etc.
It didn’t have to be this bad with mirrorless. For example:
1. On the R3 and probably others, there’s a completely unnecessary animation on the top OLED panel when you change the mode, e.g. from Av to M. The older DSLRs just quietly changed the indicator on the top. Even worse, the animation seems to me to be the wrong way around, so I always want to turn the dial the wrong way.
2. There’s no IS switch on lenses without IS, so you have to go into the menus to turn in-body IS on or off. (The DSLRs didn’t have IBIS.) When they changed the mount there was an opportunity to put this switch on all the RF lenses and on the adapter so it would always be available.
Those things have nothing to do with it being mirrorless. They’re just poor design.
However, the camera that is the subject of this thread, the 5D Mk IV, was not a clean design either. Back when it was new I tried one out in the shop and neither I nor the sales assistant could find a way to remove all the garbage overlaid on the viewfinder image. In particular there was an AF indicator at bottom right. I went home, downloaded the manual, and verified that we’d had the camera set up correctly. Spot metering lines or focus points are one thing, but this was very intrusive. Someone at Canon had decided it should be there anyway. (Perhaps it was a bug. I don’t know whether it was fixed in later firmware.) Like the mode animations, no-one in senior management put their foot down and insisted the camera was right before its release.
I really want to get back to an optical viewfinder and a more obvious, point->focus->shoot workflow.
If you mean focus-and-recompose, it’s of limited accuracy with some cameras and lenses. I think the focus point controls on my R3 (touch surface on the AF-ON buttons, landscape and portrait nipples, eye-activated focus point if it works for you) are a huge improvement over those on my 1Ds Mk III DSLR.
I too prefer the optical viewfinder... but not with very fast lenses, where even those with the special screens can’t show the true shallowness of the depth of field. And not in very dim conditions.
My 5D, 5D III (and 6D) all had a more ergonomic feel, in my opinion.
Can’t agree. I had the original 5D and it is, in my opinion, horrible in the hand; I would sometimes be in pain afterwards. The Mk IV was nice, from my brief try-out with it. I think Canon have been quietly working on this over the years; the R3 is very good.
Also, RF lens caps are trash...
I actually prefer them to the EF ones. I don’t often work in the dark though.
The biggest issue I have with mirrorless is timing the exact moment to press the shutter release to capture a very fleeting moment at peak action. For certain sports I had this timing nearly exact with DSLRs such as the 1DX series. With mirrorless I just can't seem to get it right. I chalk it up to the very slight delay in the EVF feed. High fps combined with pre-capture is the brute force solution, however there are applications when I can't shoot 30-40 frames just to catch one moment.
Otherwise with a fast enough sensor readout speed and correspondingly fast EVF feed, I'm not really missing DSLRs at all. Mirrorless AF is so much more versatile that I could never go back.
kakomu wrote:
Also, RF lens caps are trash...
Yes, I don't know what Canon committee was thinking when they came up with that 'only fits one way' design. It finally only took them ~8 years to fix the problem with a set of new caps.
That said, you can also easily modify your existing RF caps for universal fit, as illustrated in this post.
jgoetz4 wrote:
I just sold my R6 and went back to using a 5D2 and soon, 5D4. I still have my R100 and RF 600 f/11 & 800 f/11 lenses since there are no EF counterparts. The 800 rivals my 4'' Mak scope with a similar f/l (1280 vs 1300)
Jim
I was surprised to read that at first, but not after a moment ruminating.
When light was good, images from my old 5D mk ii were lovely. I still have it in mind to buy one. But the 5DS or 5DSR are also something I hope to acquire again.
The R5 and R6 are bodies I actually enjoy a lot. And the RF 50mm 1.2 and RF 85 1.2 removed any need or want for vintage Zeiss glass to use in my redwood photography.
Otherwise, I can understand the allure of the 5D2 and 5D4
I went 20D to 1Ds to 5D2 to 1Ds3 to 5D4 to R to R6 to R5. Recently my son showed interest in photography so I bought a 5D3. Yes these bodies are just better built than the mirrorless ones. I am guessing way more magnesium is used to house the mirror assembly. They are a joy to use but the R5 is a lot better focus wise and image quality wise. I will use the 5D3 as a secondary camera and for the novelty factor.
How do the better L-series, EF-mount lenses compare to their RF-mount equivalents? For instance, the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L EF IS II USM Lens was highly praised. Is the RF-mount version as good?
John Power wrote:
OK so I sold it and bought the R8 with that expensive 24 to 105 lens. Yes it's a beautiful combination but it just doesn't have the feel in your hands that that rock solid 5D MK 4 had. That camera is going to go down in Canon history as one of the best DSLRS they ever produced. Just had to say it.......
The 5D4 is indeed a great camera and I sometimes miss mine too. I sold it when buying an R5, while I bought a brand new 1DX2 as well to keep the OFV experience. All camera models seem to have their own soul and some resonate better than others. I have a soft spot the Leica M7 although it doesn’t compare to a modern mirrorless camera in any way.
Now it only wants GPS data from a smart phone.
Yea, I'd wish to have the direction too. 
Actually my favorite camera of all time was the IDMK 2N. 8.1 Megapixels. So what. That didn't stop me from getting great pictures of diving pelicans and my daughter doing her ballet jumps and spins in shows. I was actually looking at some last night. This camera had a retail list price of $3999 when it came out and now you can get them in really good condition for less than $500. I would pair it primarily with my 70 - 300. I would to take a controlled picture of the same subject matter outside and compare the two images with my camera set at the same focal length. The N is a 1.3 not a full frame so that would take some adjustments.