p.8 #1 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
johnvanr wrote:
In my case, Sony would probably be my main system if they had made their cameras ergonomically better and overall more enjoyable to use. Instead, I went back to Canon for FF. In my film days, I was a Contax shooter, both the N and G models and I wish those, and the 645, had survived the move to digital.
Yes, ergonomics especially with the first gen of A7 series cameras was a big divide. I found it perfect for my usage, and I didn't like when Sony implemented the much larger handgrip from second generation onwards. I always found it went backwards more towards DSLR sized bulky cameras - but others would disagree here. Subjectively, I found the A7 first gen the best - it came with all the Sony apps too (some were very useful!) which faltered away in later generations.
p.8 #2 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
Sony put the fine 36mp sensor with its superb dynamic range inside a 465 gram body that accommodated virtually all existing manual focus lenses via adapters, lenses that could easily be focused with extreme accuracy via magnification.
It opened many doors. It had 2.75 stops of base DR over Canon's 5DIII and shaded Nikon's (Sony-sensored) D800 at base level ISO while matching it everywhere else, and weighing almost exactly half the weight. Same EVF resolution as the a7cr. It's still my main camera despite some dodgy power-on antics.
Are you referring to the Art series ... physical size differential seems readily apparent that they are not the same lens. I couldn't find another Sigma 50/1.4 that would suggest such consideration of the Lux is only a rebadge.
p.8 #8 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
RustyBug wrote:
$4950 qualifies as a "bummer", too.
The price is convincing me it’s a better deal to just get the 50 Lux M since I don’t really need the AF. And the M can focus even closer than 45cm using a macro adapter.
p.8 #9 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
highdesertmesa wrote:
The price is convincing me it’s a better deal to just get the 50 Lux M since I don’t really need the AF. And the M can focus even closer than 45cm using a macro adapter.
Yeah, probably not dumping my VM 50/1.5 II just yet.
p.8 #10 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
philip_pj wrote:
Sony put the fine 36mp sensor with its superb dynamic range inside a 465 gram body that accommodated virtually all existing manual focus lenses via adapters, lenses that could easily be focused with extreme accuracy via magnification.
It opened many doors. It had 2.75 stops of base DR over Canon's 5DIII and shaded Nikon's (Sony-sensored) D800 at base level ISO while matching it everywhere else, and weighing almost exactly half the weight. Same EVF resolution as the a7cr. It's still my main camera despite some dodgy power-on antics.
That first Sony A7R indeed had a great sensor in a small package, but just about everything else drove me nuts.
p.8 #11 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
johnvanr wrote:
That first Sony A7R indeed had a great sensor in a small package, but just about everything else drove me nuts.
That's also what many criticized at the time of its release. It did not bother me since I prefer in general to have more options but then select the ones I really need. I admit that Sony's initial menu structure was by far not optimal but I rather prefer this than what the Leica marketing hype tries to convey that less is more (and so for example removing the video option in the M10 instead of admitting that this was done to avoid in-house competition with the video centric SL system which was released about the same time). I got used to the Sony menu and customized a lot of camera buttons for easier menu access.
What drove me nuts with the A7 series was and maybe still is the cumbersome procedure for firmware updates. One time it nearly killed my A7R when updating. In a last desperate attempt I reactivated my camera by randomly clicking on all kind of buttons, battery removal and reinsert didn't help. Since then the camera works perfectly fine and never had a hiccup again to date.
p.8 #12 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
I do not want video on my M. If I want to do video I will use a video camera. A rangefinder for video makes little since to me when there are so many options that do it so much better.
Leica M isn't and shouldn't be a one size fits all camera. Becasue it's not trying to be everything to everyone is what in my opinion makes it special/
I bought the M 262 because it didin't have video. I was thrilled when the M 10 was released that it didn't have video. I probably wouldn't have bought the M 10 id it had vidoe. I would have hoped Leica would have made a camera like the M 262 without video and woud have bought something like that instead. I think it was more in responce to the success of M 262 and photographers like me that do not want video on there cameras. With the no compete thing as a bonus.
With other Leica cameras other than the M do video all day long.
I never liked the way Sony felt in my hands and how they operated. For me it is counter intitutive to how I see and work. For many Sony works fine. It is so nice to have real choices.
p.8 #13 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
airfrogusmc wrote:
I never liked the way Sony felt in my hands and how they operated. For me it is counter intitutive to how I see and work. For many Sony works fine. It is so nice to have real choices.
Sony Menus are more complex than ever, but now there are ten memory presets for photo and ten for video. This means that the awful menus are mostly used initially and things that need to be changed can be assigned to a button… and lots of buttons. The newest cameras are quite responsive and of modest size/weight and there newest lenses are impressive. I purchased the A7Rvi so that I can use the 50-150mm f/2.0 and 24mm f/1.4 GM lenses. Great glass and a very responsive camera.. but short of presets and assigned buttons, absolutely crazy menus. Comfort wise, the A1ii and A9iii provide more comfortable grips. No idea why this isn’t applied across their lineup.
p.8 #14 · Could the rumored Leica SL 50 Lux II be M-like in rendering?
retrofocus wrote:
That's also what many criticized at the time of its release. It did not bother me since I prefer in general to have more options but then select the ones I really need. I admit that Sony's initial menu structure was by far not optimal but I rather prefer this than what the Leica marketing hype tries to convey that less is more (and so for example removing the video option in the M10 instead of admitting that this was done to avoid in-house competition with the video centric SL system which was released about the same time). I got used to the Sony menu and customized a lot of camera buttons for easier menu access.
What drove me nuts with the A7 series was and maybe still is the cumbersome procedure for firmware updates. One time it nearly killed my A7R when updating. In a last desperate attempt I reactivated my camera by randomly clicking on all kind of buttons, battery removal and reinsert didn't help. Since then the camera works perfectly fine and never had a hiccup again to date. ...Show more →
It wasn't so much the menus, though they were messy. It was the slowness of it all. Had the same issue with the RX1R, gorgeous files, but oh so slow. While I sometimes wish I would be a slow and very deliberate shooter, the reality is that I don't like to be slowed down by my gear.
