p.3 #1 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
speedmaster20d wrote:
Is this confirmed ? 20 mesc is going to have rolling shutter for some subjects.
Manny Ortiz's experience at the baseball game, showed rolling shutter with the bat and ball, vertical lines in the backgrounds (in some situations, but not all)
p.3 #3 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
trainerKEN wrote:
Manny Ortiz's experience at the baseball game, showed rolling shutter with the bat and ball, vertical lines in the backgrounds (in some situations, but not all)
DPR says 19.6ms - so about 6 times slower than a Z8. Autofocus is at 60 frames per second (as opposed to the 120 frames per sec of the A II) - will be interesting to see what this means for BIF. My A7RV definitely feels like it struggles there, but maybe this will be "fast enough". With the DR advantages could be good for the difficult light we often get on wildlife in the PNW.
p.3 #5 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
So, assuming the various reports are accurate, the sensor readout speed and the AF calculations per second explain why the A7RVI is not really a competitor for the A1 II. There is a vast difference between a readout of 19.6 or 20 msec and a readout of 3.8 msec. The former will get you rolling shutter and LED banding, the latter virtually absolves you of both. And twice the AF calculations per second will give the A1 II a very signfiicant advantage in getting sharp images of subjects in motion.
The 20 msec readout speed is really a disappointment. It makes the stacked sensor not really worth having, except for slow-moving or stationary subjects. And I would anticipate banding with LEDs.
p.3 #6 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
EB-1 wrote:
20ms is worse than the Canon R5 in 2020.
EBH
Well you gotta admire the camera's co's dedication to product line differentiation ; ) However, if 10 fps is enough for you (via mech shutter), then the question becomes how good is the AF on wildlife really? For those of us who can justify $4.5k but maybe not $6.5k for a camera (it's a hobby for me not a career : ) the VI looks at least interesting...
p.3 #8 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
Happy to see Sony finally added backlit buttons. It sounds small, but it is very helpful in low light. $4,500 is a much more reasonable price than the rumored 5k. Probably by the holidays, we will see sales for around 4k.
A bit disappointed in the sensor readout speed. So far, it sounds like the partially stacked sensor in the a7v might actually be better for action. Also going to be interesting to see how the dynamic range compares to the a7v, the a7v claims 16 stops too.
Jeff, I agree, I find the 100-400mm much more exciting too. The biggest question in my mind is which camera would I get to use it on. I was hoping the a7rVI would be the answer, but so far I am not sold.
p.3 #9 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
chiron wrote:
So, assuming the various reports are accurate, the sensor readout speed and the AF calculations per second explain why the A7RVI is not really a competitor for the A1 II. There is a vast difference between a readout of 19.6 or 20 msec and a readout of 3.8 msec. The former will get you rolling shutter and LED banding, the latter virtually absolves you of both. And twice the AF calculations per second will give the A1 II a very signfiicant advantage in getting sharp images of subjects in motion.
The 20 msec readout speed is really a disappointment. It makes the stacked sensor not really worth having, except for slow-moving or stationary subjects. And I would anticipate banding with LEDs.
This also makes me less eager for the A7CRII. ...Show more →
Did you actually think this camera would compete with the A1 for action? The fast sports or birds was never the target market of the A7r series and this version of it still is not. High pixel count, image quality and dynamic range is where the A7r cameras shine and I’m sure this will be enhanced upon with the A7r6.
People needing to shoot high speed sports or birds already have the A1 and A9 lines to choose from.
p.3 #10 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
chez wrote:
Did you actually think this camera would compete with the A1 for action? The fast sports or birds was never the target market of the A7r series and this version of it still is not. High pixel count, image quality and dynamic range is where the A7r cameras shine and I’m sure this will be enhanced upon with the A7r6.
People needing to shoot high speed sports or birds already have the A1 and A9 lines to choose from.
I of course didn't have an opinion about whether the A7R6 would compete with the A1/A1II until the specs were out. But the rumors about a stacked sensor made it a possibility, one which hasn't been realized.
And it's a misunderstanding to think that a fast stacked sensor is only valuable for birds and sports. I often want to shoot with a silent shutter under LED lights. That is only possible with a fast stacked sensor. This is also one of several reasons why the A1/A1II and the A9III are so popular with event and wedding shooters as well as documentarians, who don't have a bird or a ball in sight.
Slow readout sensors under electronic shutter also distort faces and bodies that are in even moderate motion, especially when they are close to the lens. A fast readout stacked sensor doesn't have that problem.
p.3 #11 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
chiron wrote:
And it's a misunderstanding to think that a fast stacked sensor is only valuable for birds and sports. I often want to shoot with a silent shutter under LED lights. That is only possible with a fast stacked sensor. This is also one of several reasons why the A1/A1II and the A9III are so popular with event and wedding shooters as well as documentarians, who don't have a bird or a ball in sight.
I think it will behave very much like the A7V, and just won't be able to handle that situation. I was hopeful too.
p.3 #12 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
Sony a7cR is a great small FF camera alas I had to sell it because of its poor EVF and LCD screen. While the pictures it takes were great (once you look at them on a computer screen). While in the field shooting pictures it made me shooting. If you are kind of a person who wants instant gratification of how the picture looked that you just took it’s so underwhelming every time. You almost feel like you did not do a good job. So I stopped carrying and made my A7RV as the main camera.
Hope Sony is listening and If Sony fixes EVF and LCD, I will reconsider A7CR II.
thewiseoldbird wrote:
It depends what they do with the EVF and screen!
p.3 #13 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
seaSharp wrote:
Well you gotta admire the camera's co's dedication to product line differentiation ; ) However, if 10 fps is enough for you (via mech shutter), then the question becomes how good is the AF on wildlife really? For those of us who can justify $4.5k but maybe not $6.5k for a camera (it's a hobby for me not a career : ) the VI looks at least interesting...
I've used the 1Ds, 1Ds II, 1Ds III, 5DsR and a7rV for wildlife although they were not the fastest or best in AF cameras, but always with mechanical shutters. I expect that the a7rVI will have better AF than the a7rV, which was the first "R" body to have truly good AF. I mostly used the R5 in MS, but it has a better shutter with 12FPS. In ES I had more issues with the blockiness of the scanning rather than image distortion, other than hummers.
I think flying BIFs would be a problem on the a7rVI. I'm curious of there is any blockiness to the scanning of rapido subjects.
p.3 #14 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
Fred Miranda wrote:
I hope Sony found a way to further improve the EVF. It has improved since the original A7C, though I get they are somewhat constrained by the compact size of this series. Still, a higher magnification EVF paired with a 3.7MP panel would be a very welcome upgrade.
I originally thought the LCD design would bother me, but since I rarely use the screen anyway, I usually just set the camera up and keep it closed. In that sense, I have actually grown to like the current implementation on the A7CR.
For me, the EVF of the A7CR made the camera less engaging to use. Otherwise, quite a nice camera. I sold mine. The new EVF shows great promise, but the LCD screen hasn’t changed since the A7Rv. I must admit, the X2D2 convinced me that there was a real advantage to a top tier LCD screen, in terms of both color and the ability to display HDR images. I would not expect the A7CRii to sport a great EVF, but at least it should be an improved EVF.
I found this video to be quite useful regarding real difference based upon images: A7Rv vs A7Rvi vs X2D2
p.3 #18 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
chiron wrote:
Does anyone have an authoriative source on the sensor readout speed? It has been reported as between 5 and 10 ms, but that is a signficant range of possibilties.
Not exactly authoritative, but I think better than Alex's guesstimates are the values from Duade Patton (for details see his video). He compare images of a known speed rotation and estimates 13.5ms which I believe meshes very well with the 1/60s previously predicted from the sensor roadmap.
p.3 #19 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
chiron wrote:
I of course didn't have an opinion about whether the A7R6 would compete with the A1/A1II until the specs were out. But the rumors about a stacked sensor made it a possibility, one which hasn't been realized.
And it's a misunderstanding to think that a fast stacked sensor is only valuable for birds and sports. I often want to shoot with a silent shutter under LED lights. That is only possible with a fast stacked sensor. This is also one of several reasons why the A1/A1II and the A9III are so popular with event and wedding shooters as well as documentarians, who don't have a bird or a ball in sight.
Slow readout sensors under electronic shutter also distort faces and bodies that are in even moderate motion, especially when they are close to the lens. A fast readout stacked sensor doesn't have that problem.
Good point. Not sure if anyone has tested for A7rVI's "silent shutter under LED lights" yet. However, I'm sure more hands-on reviews will be out in the coming days 🤞🏼
p.3 #20 · Official: Sony A7RVI and Sony FE 100-400mm f/4.5 GM OSS
PIOK wrote:
I will stay with Nikon... Nice camera but not impressed.
And if I have to replace my 8 batteries (+$1000) and CfExpress A cards ( $1500) ...This will cost my $7000 just for a camera
Maybe Nikon will release similar Z7 III for $3500-3800
Enjoy your new A7R VI
I no longer buy extra batteries. I just have a 50 USD Anker charger in my bag, and charge my camera via USB-C during the day (same brick can also charge my phone, Airpods, etc).
