Another reviewer complained that motorized zoom takes 2.5-2.6sec to go from wide to tele, not his choice of camera esp in comparison to S9 18-40mm mechanical zoom...You can also program the top dial as step zoom if you are not switching the image size options...
I think a lot of the size difference now comes down to our demands for better AF and processing of images, options etc. Power needs juice and cooling for thr processors. Size dissipates heat better than compact bodies, cheaper than many other solutions.
serhan_ wrote:
Yes, but Panasonic killed the smaller m43 GM/GX line already... I was shaking my head when I compare the smaller GM1/GM5 or GX85/GX9 (with IBIS) compared to newer bodies... L10 is using S9 body that is also similar to X100VI, bigger than RX1R III... Panasonic is recycling the m43 in FF S bodies to save production costs maybe, hence the 50% size/weight increase while loosing the advantage of smaller m43 potential... It is in 43rumors every couple days as how to save m43...
"Micro four thirds cameras are being held back, Lumix and OM-System are favoring the larger bodies with flagship features, without updating the smaller, everyday cameras like the Lumix GM1, Lumix GX80 and Olympus PEN F. In this video, we’re deciding what would make a great new everyday micro four thirds camera in 2026."
Yes, that is the explanation, similar to size difference btw pen-f and OM-3. Outlier is RX1R III... We'll see if OM will bring new pen-f or Panasonic will bring GX10 with same processors...
ehwojo wrote:
I think a lot of the size difference now comes down to our demands for better AF and processing of images, options etc. Power needs juice and cooling for thr processors. Size dissipates heat better than compact bodies, cheaper than many other solutions.
COMPACT CAMERA group test: X100 vs L10 vs RX100 vs V1 vs TZ ZS
One thing I do like the trade off to the size thing is the battery life. As nice as RX100IV is to me size wise, and also by extension my smaller A5100 ILC setup, both has pretty abysmal battery life when comparing against my normal A7IV setup. I think them having stuff the same size battery as their larger camera and giving it a 400+ shot rating is a good thing in my book, despite the increase in size...
"Shooting in Raw at its base ISO, the L10 captures a good amount of detail, on par with the Sony and Canon, and slightly more than the LX100 II. Despite using the same amount of sensor area as the LX100 II, it provides an image that's 1EV cleaner thanks to its ability to gather more light by shooting at ISO 100 instead of 200. Likewise, it produces slightly less noise than its Type-1 peers, thanks to its 66% increase in sensor area.
This advantage continues through to higher ISOs, though if you find yourself shooting in the dark often, it's worth considering the noise advantage that APS-C compacts like the Ricoh GR IV or Fujifilm X100VI provide, at the cost of less versatility thanks to their prime lenses. The L10's JPEG engine does a decent job of retaining details while reducing noise, though the older cameras that act as its competition are decent in this regard, too.
When we reviewed the LX100 II in 2018, we said that camera's 17MP sensor was showing the limits of the lens. With the L10 essentially using the same optics, paired with a higher-resolution sensor, that's even more true today, with noticeable softness in the corners even when stopped down to F4 or 5.6 (though doing so provides noticeable improvement versus faster apertures like F2.8)."
"Multiple focus attempts, using both manual focus and autofocus, appear to suggest that a lot of the softness in the corners is a result of curvature of field: a non-flat focus field, meaning it's not possible to get the whole of the chart in focus at the same time.
Sample images already exhibit aliasing – a sign that the lens is resolving detail beyond the level the sensor's resolution can accurately capture – suggesting the lens is doing a good job. You just need to consider the context of how finely you're scrutinizing them and how impossibly the high the standards set by good, prime lenses are."
Got an email from Panasonic a couple of days ago saying they will soon be releasing it again in limited numbers, and I will be notified if my place in line comes up.
Buying it directly from Panasonic gives you a 4 year warranty vs 1(or 2?) from regular places.
Not sure if I'm going to go through with it, as I really like the idea of a used Nikon Z30 w kit zoom lens and larger sensor for $400...
Not digging the B&W images. They have a very low contrast 50 shades of grey look to them. Zero punch.
But I am sure that is due to the processing/profile selected.
Desmolicious wrote:
Not digging the B&W images. They have a very low contrast 50 shades of grey look to them. Zero punch.
But I am sure that is due to the processing/profile selected.
He seems to have used the photo styles that are baked into the camera, probably without fine-tuning I am guessing.
I thought the same thing about the B&W images. Personally I am not in the market for the camera.
B&W camera profiles are Monochrome, L Monochrome, L Monochrome D, L Monochrome S, Leica Monochrome. One version is lighter (maybe S) vs others might be darker, contrasty, etc. Here is a video on L10 profiles:
I have to dig into the L10 editing options for the color filters as Om-3 and GR III X gives the darkest blue conversions with red color filter in jpeg profiles as options...
SlowDriver wrote:
He seems to have used the photo styles that are baked into the camera, probably without fine-tuning I am guessing.
I thought the same thing about the B&W images. Personally I am not in the market for the camera.
Got an email from Panasonic saying they have received a batch of L10s, and I could have one if I wanted. Enclosed an invitation code.
Couldn't pull the trigger. I keep thinking when Leica comes out with their version with a shutter speed dial on the top instead of mode dial, and cleaner interface I would regret getting the L10 even if it is cheaper.
Also a used Z30 w zoom lens at $400 just seems so attractive. It fits my hand perfectly and has a bigger sensor.
