Ross Martin wrote:
Haha, sorry about that Dan, after I posted I decided I should try to stay out of the fray and not incite a certain person The hypocrisy is truly amazing to see but I’m best just laughing behind the scenes
I guess my timing was just right… or just wrong!
I was immediately intrigued, not just by the points in your post, but by your reference to a fine photographer who is a personal friend. Sorry you deleted it, as he is a model of both a good photographer and a good person.
bcaslis wrote:
I'm interested in the A7R VI, how are people processing their images? I use Lightroom Classic, I am concerned that only Adobe profiles are available, I'm not a fan of Adobe color. Also any comments from Nikon Z8 users would be interesting to hear.
Same here. Would like to hear from Z8 users you have made the switch as I am currently considering the same.
I think the A7Rvi is going to be an outstanding tool for many photographers, even if they never utilize half of its potential; and I include myself here.
I think the A1iii will possibly be the closest thing to a perfect do-it-all camera we will have at that time. And it will do more better than about 80% of photographers need, again including myself.
Jack Flesher wrote:
I think the A7Rvi is going to be an outstanding tool for many photographers, even if they never utilize half of its potential; and I include myself here.
I think the A1iii will possibly be the closest thing to a perfect do-it-all camera we will have at that time. And it will do more better than about 80% of photographers need, again including myself.
But I’ll probably buy one of them regardless 😎
/attempt
I think that buying one of them could be a fine decision for a number of folks. ;-)
I've splurged for an A7Rvi. Perhaps my "last camera." (Or last marriage.) If I had been in the habit of getting up early and catching sunrise and morning birds, etc., in the boonies someplace with my 200-600, maybe the A1 family would be the answer. I'm generalist enough for the A7Rvi.
OTOH, I kind of wonder just how earthshaking or not, the A7CRii might be, too?
RoamingScott wrote:
I’m old enough to remember the day you showed up on this forum with your confederate flag profile picture, making troll post after troll post. I’m not sure how you’re still here, but I know who you are.
Oh, wow!!! I thought you were just a Nikon troll before but to lie this blatantly and to this low extent.
I am afraid I will have to disappoint you once again. I am not from your neck of the woods, or even your continent.
But have you seen how he pivoted when called out on his BS? You are a master at this. Keep it up and soon you are CEO.
The Z8 has a max shutter speed of 1/32000 and a readout speed that is sub 5ms-
The A7rvi is max 1/8000 and a readout speed north of 15ms-
Huge difference in use cases with just the above differences-
Those are definitely huge differences but for my type of photography, which mostly includes family, travel and some action, I don't think either matter a lot.
I used the Z8 and thought it was great, picture quality wise, but did not like the size. I've used both the Sony A7RV/CR as well and loved images I got out of those. I don't know that I felt the Z8 was an immediately easier to get the end state I wanted, but I for sure felt that way with the Zf and Z7ii. But at the end of the day, I never felt like I couldn't get there from the Sony as well.
The z8 was nice in that it fell like there was button for everything I needed right there on the body, but there were a lot of buttons for things I don't. I realized that for most of what I shoot it's focus tracking and then recompose in AF_C and Continuous Low and then once I started using the Custom menus on the Sonys and OM for other shooting types I found I wasn't going to my buttons too often anymore. I was not a fan of the U settings on the Z8. I haven't got it set up yet, but really looking forward to the * functionality on the A7RVI.
When I look back through my favorite pics over the last 20 years I've been doing photography, they invariably have all been taken by all the different cameras.. It's funny, I did a backpacking trip on the Four Pass Loop outside of Aspen and when I came back I sold my D800 because I didn't want that weight and size. That started the mirrorless route for me, starting with Sony A7RII. I've got a backpacking trip coming up and have decided to come back after a few stops along the way with damn near every other system!
ajamils wrote:
Those are definitely huge differences but for my type of photography, which mostly includes family, travel and some action, I don't think either matter a lot.
Do you use flash? If so, you would probably be better off with the Z8, because Sony's flash connector is a disaster by design. I broke my Profoto Connect on the second session, and my Godox flash will probably fail soon too. From now on, I will use a Nikon trigger and flash with the Sony in manual mode, but that is the wrong way to go about it.
I work with Capture One. Sony images look very different from Olympus/Fujifilm/Nikon files with my default settings, but starting with much lower saturation and clarity settings gets them pretty close. I also don't know if it is a metering issue or something else, but I overexpose more images with the Sony than with the Z8 (I use manual exposure with the help of the histogram/zebra).
Between all my cameras I prefer gfx for colors and ergonomics and a7r6 did not move scales at all.
I am considering selling Sony and keeping z8 but I really like Sony's 100mm macro lens, and how compact camera is. Decisions, decisions.
And also we need to compare the correct tool for the correct job.
For reference:
-Sony A1: 3.9 ms full-width readout, 1/32000s electronic shutter.
-Sony A9 III: Global shutter (0 ms readout!) no rolling shutter.
-Sony A9 II: 6 ms readout with a stacked sensor.
That is really the key point: there isn't a direct Nikon equivalent to having both an ultra-high-resolution body like the A7R series and stacked-sensor options like the A1 and A9 lineup. Sony gives you different tools for different jobs, instead of a jack of all trades master of none.
olegkin wrote:
Do you use flash? If so, you would probably be better off with the Z8, because Sony's flash connector is a disaster by design. I broke my Profoto Connect on the second session, and my Godox flash will probably fail soon too. From now on, I will use a Nikon trigger and flash with the Sony in manual mode, but that is the wrong way to go about it.
I work with Capture One. Sony images look very different from Olympus/Fujifilm/Nikon files with my default settings, but starting with much lower saturation and clarity settings gets them pretty close. I also don't know if it is a metering issue or something else, but I overexpose more images with the Sony than with the Z8 (I use manual exposure with the help of the histogram/zebra).
Between all my cameras I prefer gfx for colors and ergonomics and a7r6 did not move scales at all.
I am considering selling Sony and keeping z8 but I really like Sony's 100mm macro lens, and how compact camera is. Decisions, decisions....Show more →
I do use flash but not enough to sway my camera decision. Yes, I totally agree about Sony flash connectors. Hated it on every Sony but again, I did not use it enough to have any issues but I can image for people who use it a lot that those connectors can be easy to break.
I always had AWB issues with Sony, specially in low light but A7r VI claim to have fixed it with the addition of a sensor, but I have not any review that confirmed it.
ajamils wrote:
Those are definitely huge differences but for my type of photography, which mostly includes family, travel and some action, I don't think either matter a lot.
Honestly i am shocked you would lug that pig of a camera around for family/travel type of photography The Z8 is great but just massive!!!!!!!
RustyRus wrote:
Honestly i am shocked you would lug that pig of a camera around for family/travel type of photography The Z8 is great but just massive!!!!!!!
!! Yes, I realized that after my last week's visit to Iceland. I ended up using RX100 VII a lot more than I had expected.
olegkin wrote:
Do you use flash? If so, you would probably be better off with the Z8, because Sony's flash connector is a disaster by design. I broke my Profoto Connect on the second session, and my Godox flash will probably fail soon too. From now on, I will use a Nikon trigger and flash with the Sony in manual mode, but that is the wrong way to go about it.
I work with Capture One. Sony images look very different from Olympus/Fujifilm/Nikon files with my default settings, but starting with much lower saturation and clarity settings gets them pretty close. I also don't know if it is a metering issue or something else, but I overexpose more images with the Sony than with the Z8 (I use manual exposure with the help of the histogram/zebra).
Between all my cameras I prefer gfx for colors and ergonomics and a7r6 did not move scales at all.
I am considering selling Sony and keeping z8 but I really like Sony's 100mm macro lens, and how compact camera is. Decisions, decisions....Show more →
Some good observations there…
For example, your point about how default settings in your post-processing software may look different… until you dial in the look you want… is right on. As you imply, if you know your post-processing software and techniques, you can get any look you want from pretty much any brand of camera. (Most of us create and then use a specific set of personal pre-sets as a starating point with different cameras.) Bottom line: don’t make the post-processing software’s default settings the measuring stick for judging cameras!
Your last paragraph points out a few useful things, too. First off, everyone has some preferences that come down to pretty subjective stuff. These don’t mean that one thing is better/worse than another, just that it is different in ways that a user prefers. (How many times have we read people raving about — or raging against — Fuji colors, Sony colors, Nikon colors, Canon colors, Kodachrome colors, Velvia colors…
And, as you point out, each option typically has its pluses and minuses. You might prefer some aspect of Brand A, but Brand B does something else in a way you like better!
The hypocrisy is truly amazing to see but I’m best just laughing behind the scenes 
!! Yes, I realized that after my last week's visit to Iceland. I ended up using RX100 VII a lot more than I had expected.