Away from detailed discussions: for a non-pro (like me) who had the A7RIIi since 2017 till this June: the MarkVI is absolutely and overwhelmingly powerful and opens a new world where haven’t ventured out yet. The speed, the IQ, the high ISO, the resolution and cropability, the insane AF, the IBIS… stunning progress. For a similar price like the MarkIII ten yrs ago matched for inflation.
And, I joined Mark Galer at Patreon and use his approach and his CAMSET (adjusted for my use) - all I can say - what a great way to learn how a Pro uses Sony equipment. I’ve never even thought of the concepts there. The MarkVI *menu is such an improvement! Basically that’s it for my life. Final tech step reached. From here it’s just creation
SJ2481 wrote:
Away from detailed discussions: for a non-pro (like me) who had the A7RIIi since 2017 till this June: the MarkVI is absolutely and overwhelmingly powerful and opens a new world where haven’t ventured out yet. The speed, the IQ, the high ISO, the resolution and cropability, the insane AF, the IBIS… stunning progress. For a similar price like the MarkIII ten yrs ago matched for inflation.
And, I joined Mark Galer at Patreon and use his approach and his CAMSET (adjusted for my use) - all I can say - what a great way to learn how a Pro uses Sony equipment. I’ve never even thought of the concepts there. The MarkVI *menu is such an improvement! Basically that’s it for my life. Final tech step reached. From here it’s just creation ...Show more →
Perfect… I did the same. I’ve hated the Sony menu architecture. The new CAMSET in camera storage and downloading Mark Galer’s CAMSETS made for an easy start. His E-Book for this camera is written assuming that you are using his presets, but provides information to make your own. Much improved camera compared to previous ‘R’ cameras. Short of needed the faster sensor, I would not upgrade from the A7Rv. It absolutely was a great upgrade from the A7CR. The EVF and responsiveness are a marked improvement.
Just received mine yesterday and a few minutes to play with it yesterday around the house. Very happy with it thus far. Looking forward to getting out and putting it through the paces this weekend if I can find a spot here in CO that doesn't catch fire. First two, one my typical model and then one with my subject in direct sun at 1/8000 with ES and pushed one stop.
Seabassius wrote:
Just received mine yesterday and a few minutes to play with it yesterday around the house. Very happy with it thus far. Looking forward to getting out and putting it through the paces this weekend if I can find a spot here in CO that doesn't catch fire. First two, one my typical model and then one with my subject in direct sun at 1/8000 with ES and pushed one stop.
Congrats, Lance! And good to see you adding fan photography to your repertoire I wondered how you would like it coming from Nikon (or did you shoot Sony before Nikon?). There are still things I miss about my Z8 but overall the A7R6 is fitting in well for me (no real surprises as I came from A7RV) and I can’t argue with the breathtaking image quality. I do hope to see Nikon decide to compete in this space before too long, competition is always good.
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I'm interested in the A7R VI, how are people processing their images? I use Lightroom Classic, I am concerned that only Adobe profiles are available, I'm not a fan of Adobe color. Also any comments from Nikon Z8 users would be interesting to hear.
bcaslis wrote:
I'm interested in the A7R VI, how are people processing their images? I use Lightroom Classic, I am concerned that only Adobe profiles are available, I'm not a fan of Adobe color. Also any comments from Nikon Z8 users would be interesting to hear.
Hey Brian. I’m using Lightroom Classic and finding Adobe Color working fine for me most of the time, and sometimes the Landscape profile when it suits the image. It’s only preliminary support at this point and I’m sure all the camera-matching profiles will be added just as they were for the A7RV. I really like Colin Walker’s Color Fidelity profiles (used to be called Huelight) and I just ordered his new one for the A7R6.
The Z8 had become my main camera this year up until the A7R6 release and I find the Z8 to be a great do-it-all machine at a good price, especially for those who demand the super fast sensor readout, and I would have continued shooting it if I wasn’t such an obsessed high-resolution and high-DR addict for my landscape and printing work.
bcaslis wrote:
I'm interested in the A7R VI, how are people processing their images? I use Lightroom Classic, I am concerned that only Adobe profiles are available, I'm not a fan of Adobe color. Also any comments from Nikon Z8 users would be interesting to hear.
I never thought the Sony camera matching profiles in LR were ever worth a damn.
Having access to all the excellent Nikon profiles is a big boon for color work, for sure.
You're best off just making baseline custom presets by camera and lens combo for Sony and working from there.
RoamingScott wrote:
I never thought the Sony camera matching profiles in LR were ever worth a damn.
Having access to all the excellent Nikon profiles is a big boon for color work, for sure.
You're best off just making baseline custom presets by camera and lens combo for Sony and working from there.
I have to say the latest implementation of Adobe’s “standard colors” on Sony raws seems very good so far. I don’t know how well they match Sony camera profiles, but I’m finding Adobe Standard very true to life, impressively so.
I use Capture One (Sessions). Interesting progression for me: after thousands of images between ISO 100 and 640 (max) and years of fearing noise and never needing noise reduction but very limited photography (basically landscapes mainly) - now I did take lossless compressed raw and lossy compressed Raws at ISO 15000 and 25000+. Sure, curious. Well, not too bad but still fairly noisy upon push. Then I discovered the “Apply enhanced denoise” option on C1 and hit it. Wow, magic. Noise disappeared and details and colours remained as shot. May be AI magic, looks like that. File size stayed the same. It worked on the lossless RAWs AND on the Adobe DNG converter generated .dng for the lossy compressed (still not supported in C1). Same amazing result.
bcaslis wrote:
I'm interested in the A7R VI, how are people processing their images? I use Lightroom Classic, I am concerned that only Adobe profiles are available, I'm not a fan of Adobe color. Also any comments from Nikon Z8 users would be interesting to hear.
Historically, Adobe has usually taken a while to add the camera matching profiles for new cameras to Lightroom Classic. If I remember correctly, it took a few months for the Sony a7R V too, so I wouldn't expect them immediately.
I can understand why some users aren't fans of Adobe's profiles, but fortunately there are plenty of alternatives.
At the end of the day, every RAW converter has its own color rendering.
They all interpret the manufacturer's colors slightly differently.
duncangr wrote:
iso5000 - why would it be any worse than the Z8 or A1 for that matter?
This is a nice image👍, but it doesn't really prove what you are using it to prove.
For ISO 5000 performance, a downsized 14 MP JPEG with in-camera noise reduction is not the same as evaluating a full-resolution RAW file. The clean background and reduced output size will naturally hide a lot of noise.👆
Lege Artis wrote:
This is a nice image👍, but it doesn't really prove what you are using it to prove.
For ISO 5000 performance, a downsized 14 MP JPEG with in-camera noise reduction is not the same as evaluating a full-resolution RAW file. The clean background and reduced output size will naturally hide a lot of noise.👆
I would think it makes more sense to evaluate the final product since the files may respond differently to post processing. Let's face it no-one is ever going to be looking at the RAW files
That's like tasting the uncooked ingredients of the cake not the final cooked cake to compare different cakes.
Lege Artis wrote:
This is a nice image👍, but it doesn't really prove what you are using it to prove.
For ISO 5000 performance, a downsized 14 MP JPEG with in-camera noise reduction is not the same as evaluating a full-resolution RAW file. The clean background and reduced output size will naturally hide a lot of noise.👆
And you just proved what I was trying to prove - that iso5000 can produce a nice image - you even said so
I’m old enough to remember the day you showed up on this forum with your confederate flag profile picture, making troll post after troll post. I’m not sure how you’re still here, but I know who you are.
deepDEEPpurple wrote:
What a ludicrous statement, again.
Albert Dros, Chris Buckard, Matt Kloskowski, Briant Smith seem to do just fine.
Perhaps we can take up a collection and gift some forum members with mirrors? ;-)
While it is undoubtedly true that color profiles differ a bit among cameras and in post-processing software, somehow it seems that pretty damned good photographers seem to do pretty fine photography using any and all of the major brands of both.
Mostly it is a case of working with your system and determining best settings and practices for the gear you have that will get you the look you are after.
Anyone who can’t get excellent color out of any decent contemporary camera using any mainline post-processing workflow would be advised to look at their technique rather than blaming the brand of camera or software they use.
duncangr wrote:
And you just proved what I was trying to prove - that iso5000 can produce a nice image - you even said so
You are mixing two different things.
Yes, ISO 5000 can absolutely produce a beautiful image — nobody is disputing that.
But a nice-looking downsized JPEG does not prove that a camera has excellent ISO 5000 performance compared to another camera.
That requires a controlled comparison: RAW files, identical processing, same output size. Otherwise you are evaluating the whole processing chain, not the sensor performance.
A great photograph proves the photographer and the workflow succeeded. It does not automatically prove the technical superiority of the camera.
gdanmitchell wrote:
Between the time I saw it and the time I had written my reply, a post by Ross Martin disappeared! I deleted my reply and will PM Ross instead…
Haha, sorry about that Dan, after I posted I decided I should try to stay out of the fray and not incite a certain person The hypocrisy is truly amazing to see but I’m better off just laughing behind the scenes instead of trying to call out
I wondered how you would like it coming from Nikon (or did you shoot Sony before Nikon?). There are still things I miss about my Z8 but overall the A7R6 is fitting in well for me (no real surprises as I came from A7RV) and I can’t argue with the breathtaking image quality. I do hope to see Nikon decide to compete in this space before too long, competition is always good.
The hypocrisy is truly amazing to see but I’m better off just laughing behind the scenes instead of trying to call out