p.2 #2 · Voigtlander Nokton Classic 35mm f/1.4 lens for Nikon Z - YES !!!!
cyra wrote:
Which of the 35mm or even 28 mm (Voigtländer) offerings do you guys think comes closest to Zeiss ZF Distagon 35/2.0 classic? This is my main travel lens together with 21/2.8 Distagon classic and ZF100 Macro Planar. I am tired of using the FTZ adapter on Z7 (maybe Z5 or Z6III in the future).
35/2.0 seems sooo sharp, but oof bokeh lacks character in my view, 35/1.2 Nokton and 35/1.4 classic not available yet for Z. Is it worth for me waiting for the 35/1.4 classic?
I'v got the 40/1.2 already, but this is quite different from the Distagon.
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I have the three Zeiss lenses you mentioned, plus the VZ 35/2 Apo and the VZ 28/2 Apo.
You are going to have to use the lens to see if the bokeh has enough "character" for your taste. Personally, I want non-distracting bokeh that goes unnoticed by the viewer of the image. I hate that bokeh that creates double lines in the images.
IF the new VZ 35/1.4 Classic duplicates the design of the old 35/1.4 Summilux-M from the 1960's, it will have pronouced coma-shaped flare wide open, which the old ZF 35/2 does not.
Both the VZ 35/2 and VZ 28/2 Apo lenses show better across-the-frame sharpness *wide open* than the Zeiss ZF 35/2, 28/2 and 25/2 lenses when used on Nikon Z.
The Zeiss ZF, ZF.2, and Milvus wide angle lenses that I've used (35/2, 28/2, 25/2,18/2.8 and 15/2.8) seem not to have been designed with the extra optical influence of the sensor filter stack in mind and all have the characteristic blurring at the sides of the frame when shot at wider apertures on a flat subject. The old ZF 21/2.8 seems to mostly escape this effect for some reason.
p.2 #3 · Voigtlander Nokton Classic 35mm f/1.4 lens for Nikon Z - YES !!!!
Thanks for the reply Keith,
uh, coma shaped flare sounds not so good for my use, I like to point the lens into the sun quite often, and shoot against the light in one way or another. From what I get, the 35/1.4 Classic seems to be rather wild concerning it's bokeh.
I am not into distracting bokeh, but for my tast the VZ Apos have a somewhat "grainy" bokeh ad mid distances which I don't find appealing or rather boring. The Zeiss ZF 35/2 has a more pleasing bokeh without getting in the way by distracting the view from the main topic.
I liked what I saw from Thypoch 28/1.4 - seems like I prefer smoother rendering, although Thypoch is a very different lens from Zeiss 35/2. It is hard to describe what it is that makes the difference.
I have seen that the VZ 35 and 28 2.0 APO lenses are bitingly sharp. Up to a point where I miss some charakter, the images look so slik, I maybe prefer a more filmic character.
The mentionend blurring at the sides of the frame I never even noticed, and I used every Zeiss ZF from 21 to 35.
I am not a pixel peeper und I am not into absolute sharpness.
Guess I need to wait until first images of the 35/1.4 classic will appear. And keep hoping that native Zeiss leneses for Z resurface at some point.
Keith B. wrote:
I have the three Zeiss lenses you mentioned, plus the VZ 35/2 Apo and the VZ 28/2 Apo.
You are going to have to use the lens to see if the bokeh has enough "character" for your taste. Personally, I want non-distracting bokeh that goes unnoticed by the viewer of the image. I hate that bokeh that creates double lines in the images.
IF the new VZ 35/1.4 Classic duplicates the design of the old 35/1.4 Summilux-M from the 1960's, it will have pronouced coma-shaped flare wide open, which the old ZF 35/2 does not.
Both the VZ 35/2 and VZ 28/2 Apo lenses show better across-the-frame sharpness *wide open* than the Zeiss ZF 35/2, 28/2 and 25/2 lenses when used on Nikon Z.
The Zeiss ZF, ZF.2, and Milvus wide angle lenses that I've used (35/2, 28/2, 25/2,18/2.8 and 15/2.8) seem not to have been designed with the extra optical influence of the sensor filter stack in mind and all have the characteristic blurring at the sides of the frame when shot at wider apertures on a flat subject. The old ZF 21/2.8 seems to mostly escape this effect for some reason....Show more →
p.2 #6 · Voigtlander Nokton Classic 35mm f/1.4 lens for Nikon Z - YES !!!!
Patiently waiting for Fred's review, he's got the copy and will rewview it here soon.
My adapted E version on Zf was fine, but wanted a full compatbility with Z, so this is going to be my next Voigtlander.
p.2 #7 · Voigtlander Nokton Classic 35mm f/1.4 lens for Nikon Z - YES !!!!
Keith B. wrote:
IF the new VZ 35/1.4 Classic duplicates the design of the old 35/1.4 Summilux-M from the 1960's, it will have pronouced coma-shaped flare wide open, which the old ZF 35/2 does not.
I should have added that the "comatic flare" of the old Leica-M 35/1.4 seemed to disappear after about f/2.8 when I used one in the early 1980's on film. A acceptably "clean" image at f/2.8 and smaller, plus the small size (both diameter and length from the camera body) make this new Voigtlander Z 35/1.4 a lens of interest for me. The Z 35mm Apo Lanthar is small in diameter but sticks out from the Z camera body more than I'd like.
p.2 #8 · Voigtlander Nokton Classic 35mm f/1.4 lens for Nikon Z - YES !!!!
I've spent quite a bit of time with the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 Nokton in E-mount over the years, and I'm also familiar with the M-mount version as well as the original Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux "pre-ASPH", which clearly inspired Cosina’s design.
I will be starting my Z-mount review next week now that I have the lens in hand.
p.2 #9 · Voigtlander Nokton Classic 35mm f/1.4 lens for Nikon Z - YES !!!!
Ok, been waiting for this!
I got a nice 35APO v1 from B&S to try several weeks ago and I'm finding it too large and maybe a little boring in Z. (It's only a couple grams and mm bigger than the 50 APO v1, but the 50 is about as big a lens as I like on the Zf. The 28/1.5 is smaller yet, and a better size match)
Much better size here but I'd like to see that this 35/1.4 MC isn't too "vintage". The two-stage ("character" open, more modern stopped down) nature of the new Noktons is great, but I've suspected that this "early CV classics era" design might be too much olde school stopped down. Awaiting your samples and verdict.
FWIW: I see about 6-10 young street photographers an hour with a M6 and the leica version of this lens in downtown NYC. It is very popular. (I don't recall ever seeing another Zf on the streets here since I got it at release.)
