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gdanmitchell wrote:
John, FWIW, I don't think it would make a lot of sense for Fuifilm to offer a full frame product at this point. In order to make headway they would have to lower their price-point well below that of the current Big Three (Sony, Canon, Nikon) and/or come up with something technologically/functionally well beyond them in order to induce enough owners to switch from their current systems.
I think Fujifilm undersantds this, and that's why they have chosen to build out a full line of quality APS-C cameras and lenses that exceeds that from their competition, and why they went with their miniMF format systems which do offer (in the eyes of certain buyers) a difference that FF arguably cannot replicate. (There's an argument that the advantage doesn't mean enough to many photographers to justify the cost and slower system and shortage of optics, but that's a different discussion.) ...Show more →
I don't think they'd really gain anything from full-frame either - I was pointing that out in a roundabout way. Full-frame is saturated (even beyond the big three, with say Panasonic and Leica even 'reasonably' competing), and the bar is very, very high when it comes to performance even at the lowest end (see R8 or Z5 II).
And while I do appreciate Fuji's APS-C focus, they're also the only company to do so (if we don't count Pentax, which, well, we don't). My main issue with Fuji, separate from this thread, is that they didn't really capitalize on some potential strengths, those being:
- Ruggedness - why isn't everything at least minimally weather resistant, and why aren't all of their mid- and pro-lenses 'fully' sealed?
- Why isn't IBIS in everything? This would be a huge selling point for their more entry-level cameras, but they use it as a gating feature
- Why do so many Fuji lenses fall short of their 26MP sensor, let alone the sloth-like 40MP sensor that they put in their highest-end bodies?
...and then there's the autofocus, which can of course be linked both to the lenses and the slow readout of the sensors that Fuji is buying from Sony, if not also their firmware development and processor choices.
I seriously considered switching to Fuji's X system but noped out after really digging in to what they offer, and don't.
gdanmitchell wrote:
I think they are on the right track, though I'd _really_ like to see them "full-frame-ize" their minniMF systems a bit more — expand the range of lenses to better meet the needs of current FF users and improve the technology in other ways to bring performance closer to high MP FF systems.)
This one is also hard to understand; Fuji has some killer functionality, but to move it beyond essentially still life they'd need to really focus on getting faster sensors (sounds familiar...). I also agree on the lens lineup, Fuji would need to at least replicate the pro triplet of ultrawide zoom, standard zoom, and short telephoto zoom, ideally with (at worst) f/4 constant apertures. And these lenses need to be rugged and have accurate, responsive AF.
gdanmitchell wrote:
As to the autofocus issue, as a person who has used Fujifilm as his second system for about a dozen years, it is real but vastly overblown, depending on what you are photographing. In every day photography it really is not an issue at all. Heck, I do street photography with Fujifilm cameras and I rely on their AF with great success. On the other hand, if you are, say, photographing birds in flight, in my view they are still behind the Big Three.
When I see people describe Fujifilm AF as "abominable" or similar I think "hyperbole!" ;-) It is generally a bit behind the AF leaders, but the increment of difference is smaller than "abominable" and most of the time isn't meaningful.
YMMV....Show more →
I'm with you - I still use my original EOS M with its slow CDAF because it's just so compact with the 22/2. And my main camera is my 6D...
It's more a point that, for any level of action beyond say a person walking, I regularly see complaints about Fuji's autofocus. It's an area that they are broadly acknowledged to need to improve upon.
gdanmitchell wrote:
(Also, trying my damnedest to pull this discussion away from the mudslinging cliff that a few — not you — may be leading us to. Oh, and Happy New Year everyone! I'm off early this morning for my traditional New Year's Celebration — a two day in-the-field meetup with a small group of like-minded fellow photographers and 10,000+ snow and Ross's geese!)
Eh, I'll sling mud back, but I'm mostly just here to learn and discuss as always - Happy New Year!
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