p.1 #1 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
Been shooting Sony for the last 12 years or so. Also have been shooting Canon for the last 30 years and Fujifilm on and off for quite awhile as well. I recently decided to add the A7V even though I know it’s not the same level as my A1 but have some new additions and enhancement I think I really desire. In the A7 family I’ve owned almost every model but for the last two years I’ve been using the A7CII as my main travel body along with the A7CR because of their smaller size and weight I value for travel. The C bodies replaced my A7IV when the A7CII came out. Enter the A7V and I’m thinking I don’t really need both it and the A7CII even though A7CII is smaller. The difference now is that Sony now has quite a few small fast zooms and primes that keep a travel kit lighter than they had available with the A7IV.
So I’m thinking a travel kit with the A7V and A7CR only increases the weight by ~180 grams compared with one using the A7CII. No reason to go back to using larger lenses if I don’t really need them. I.e. the FE 24-50/2.8 G vs the FE 24-70/2.8 GM II unless there is a real need?
p.1 #2 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
swldstn wrote:
Been shooting Sony for the last 12 years or so. Also have been shooting Canon for the last 30 years and Fujifilm on and off for quite awhile as well. I recently decided to add the A7V even though I know it’s not the same level as my A1 but have some new additions and enhancement I think I really desire. In the A7 family I’ve owned almost every model but for the last two years I’ve been using the A7CII as my main travel body along with the A7CR because of their smaller size and weight I value for travel. The C bodies replaced my A7IV when the A7CII came out. Enter the A7V and I’m thinking I don’t really need both it and the A7CII even though A7CII is smaller. The difference now is that Sony now has quite a few small fast zooms and primes that keep a travel kit lighter than they had available with the A7IV.
So I’m thinking a travel kit with the A7V and A7CR only increases the weight by ~180 grams compared with one using the A7CII. No reason to go back to using larger lenses if I don’t really need them. I.e. the FE 24-50/2.8 G vs the FE 24-70/2.8 GM II unless there is a real need?
p.1 #3 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
nineblade wrote:
I've been debating this myself.
That's what pisses me off about Sony. Every camera except the A1 has this narrow use case.
I will probably reconfigure to A7CR + A7V like you say.
Yeah, that's the thing with Sony. You can never be sure even about the flaghips, as the moment a newer camera is released it will most likely contain some new tech.
It happened before, the most egregious case being animal eyeAF in video being added to A7C but not to A1, and it's happening again with A7V (e.g. the new processor with lower power consumption which translates to significantly longer battery runtime).
p.1 #4 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
I keep myself fairly honest by focusing on actual needs and "good enough". APS-C with the latest Fujifilm cameras, as well as editing software, have gotten so good now that I can finally say that my X-E5 is good enough for IQ. I'm over feeling the need for FF, in general.
Still, I use Sony FF too because they make it easier for me with paid work and low light. I just added an A7RIII (great deal on a pre-owned, with a shutter count of 6 and looking brand new) to my A7cII, mainly for backup and having the peace of mind of two card slots. The III is easily good enough and I feel no desire for the more recent models.
p.1 #5 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
j4nu wrote:
Yeah, that's the thing with Sony.
Not really. That's the thing with our brains, not Sony. It's called The Tyranny of Choice. Any Sony camera is perfectly good for 99.99% use cases. My A7RV is a better sports and action camera, for example, than dedicated sports and action cameras from the very recent past. Even when it comes to weight & dimensions, they aren't really that different. Nothing's truly heavy and nothing is truly compact.
All of us who own several Sony bodies can just randomly keep one, dispose of others, and the quality of output won't change. Sony has nothing to do with any of it. Well... ok, they're really good at exploiting our GAS.
p.1 #6 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
twelveish wrote:
I keep myself fairly honest by focusing on actual needs and "good enough". APS-C with the latest Fujifilm cameras, as well as editing software, have gotten so good now that I can finally say that my X-E5 is good enough for IQ. I'm over feeling the need for FF, in general.
Still, I use Sony FF too because they make it easier for me with paid work and low light. I just added an A7RIII (great deal on a pre-owned, with a shutter count of 6 and looking brand new) to my A7cII, mainly for backup and having the peace of mind of two card slots. The III is easily good enough and I feel no desire for the more recent models. ...Show more →
I'm with you on "good enough". After selling my A7R4 I got the A7CR. Then I realized I don't like the back screen resolution and not tilting.
I sold it all and bought B&H's last brand new A7RlllA. Not much bigger and heavier than the A7CR.
Love that I'm back with this camera again and not chasing the next new thing.
p.1 #7 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
old-gregg wrote:
Not really. That's the thing with our brains, not Sony. It's called The Tyranny of Choice. Any Sony camera is perfectly good for 99.99% use cases. My A7RV is a better sports and action camera, for example, than dedicated sports and action cameras from the very recent past. Even when it comes to weight & dimensions, they aren't really that different. Nothing's truly heavy and nothing is truly compact.
All of us who own several Sony bodies can just randomly keep one, dispose of others, and the quality of output won't change. Sony has nothing to do with any of it. Well... ok, they're really good at exploiting our GAS....Show more →
Well, everyone is entitled to his own opinion .
But I don't agree with you at all. Sony cameras, bar A1 to some extent at least, are very specialized in what they excel at.
The fact that new cameras are better than older cameras has nothing to do with it .
My main point was that Sony does not hesitate to put new tech in new bodies "lower" than older flagships and that some features, even if they could, are not ported back (auto variable shutter speed as another example).
p.1 #9 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
A74me wrote:
Honestly for travel photography the a6700 is the best camera on the market paired with the 18 135.
I don’t have the 18-135 but that combo with the A6700 is tough to beat. I just got my A7V yesterday but still keeping my A6700 and the apsc lenses. The A7V is my first Sony FF camera. I love the built and also took me sometime to set it up. And I ordered fries with the burger ——the Sony vertical grip should be coming next week. I’m looking forward to shooting with my FE primes with it.
p.1 #10 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
swldstn wrote:
Been shooting Sony for the last 12 years or so. Also have been shooting Canon for the last 30 years and Fujifilm on and off for quite awhile as well. I recently decided to add the A7V even though I know it’s not the same level as my A1 but have some new additions and enhancement I think I really desire. In the A7 family I’ve owned almost every model but for the last two years I’ve been using the A7CII as my main travel body along with the A7CR because of their smaller size and weight I value for travel. The C bodies replaced my A7IV when the A7CII came out. Enter the A7V and I’m thinking I don’t really need both it and the A7CII even though A7CII is smaller. The difference now is that Sony now has quite a few small fast zooms and primes that keep a travel kit lighter than they had available with the A7IV.
So I’m thinking a travel kit with the A7V and A7CR only increases the weight by ~180 grams compared with one using the A7CII. No reason to go back to using larger lenses if I don’t really need them. I.e. the FE 24-50/2.8 G vs the FE 24-70/2.8 GM II unless there is a real need?
Why did you replace your A7IV with an A7CR / A7CII? The A7V is about the same size and weight as an A7IV, so if you swichted to a C camera for its smaller size and/or weight, and you have been happy with that choice (I assume you have?), why would you replace a C camera wiht the A7IV now? There may be a good answer to that, but that seems to me to be the question.
p.1 #11 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
fotografur wrote:
I'm with you on "good enough". After selling my A7R4 I got the A7CR. Then I realized I don't like the back screen resolution and not tilting.
I sold it all and bought B&H's last brand new A7RlllA. Not much bigger and heavier than the A7CR.
Love that I'm back with this camera again and not chasing the next new thing.
Also I had A7CR and sold it because of the articulating screen and low resolution. A7RIVa on way, this is the cheapest Sony camera with high resolution tilting screen now, since A7RIIIa is no more available here.
p.1 #12 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
I cycled my cameras every other version so I had 7r2 skipped the 7r3 and got the 7r4.... upgraded a a9v1 to a A1 and then recently picked up a a7cII used.
I dont want 3 cameras but they all do something a bit different for me. The 7cii is a great walk around street camera. the r4 is still a great landscape camera and well the a1 is just all around fun for me.
I can only think that I would maybe go for a 7cR-2 if it comes out and then move out of the r4 and cii but I no longer want to chase the next minor improvement. I will wait 4 to 5 years and get a A1v3 then.
p.1 #13 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
JD07 wrote:
Why did you replace your A7IV with an A7CR / A7CII? The A7V is about the same size and weight as an A7IV, so if you swichted to a C camera for its smaller size and/or weight, and you have been happy with that choice (I assume you have?), why would you replace a C camera wiht the A7IV now? There may be a good answer to that, but that seems to me to be the question.
I bought the A7CR for its 61 Mpixel sensor and small size. I bought the A7CII again for its smaller size and my expectations that it would offer better image quality in low-light and high ISO at night. Also both bodies for me were targeted at travel where for trips away from home I wanted to have an emergency backup in cases where one body might stop working. Also Sony’s new smaller f/2.8 G zooms influenced me a lot since both those bodies really make using smaller lenses more travel friendly.
Not sure that’s a great justification but that’s my reasoning. When I travel right now I take the two bodies, the FE 16-25/2.8 G, the FE 24-50/2.8 G, the FE 70-200/4 Macro GII , and one small prime from a selection I have like a Batis 40/2 or some other f/1.8 of f/2. Actually I’m playing around with the new Viltrox 85/2 EVO which I’m finding interesting.
Don’t know if that answered your question. The new selection of smaller lenses have me considering a swap of the A7CII for the A7V where I can offset the 180 gram body weight increase with reduced weight prime.
p.1 #14 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
I wouldn't keep an A7CII alongside an A7V, but I didn't find the smaller size/weight to matter much on the C body. It didn't really change my bag or lens configurations. YMMV.
p.1 #16 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
thinking about selling both of my A7cIIs and my A7sIII for two A7Vs. Although I love my A7CII for travel, it delivers lovely images. But it's not that much smaller than a full size camera, and I now have smaller, lighter lenses which make the difference.
p.1 #17 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
A74me wrote:
Honestly for travel photography the a6700 is the best camera on the market paired with the 18 135.
I'm not sure I'd say "best" because I don't think "we" could agree on what features to consider and how to weight importance. But here's a couple of "criteria" that it does quite well with.
"I just don't want to carry all that stuff."
"I don't want to spend that much."
"You know, with some calm consideration, I really could live (travel and take pictures) with this."
If you look at where we've come from the Nikon D1 and Canon D30, etc., as opposed to the "But it doesn't do ..." it's a pretty solid set up.
p.1 #18 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
I sold my A7CII because I did not like the EVF and screen. I would also apperciated a lightly larger grip... No matter what Sony does with A7c series tech I will keep away from C as long as they get the ergonomics right. (Everyone complains about the lack of joystick but that is large a non-issue.)
p.1 #19 · Would you sell your A7CII if you bought an A7V?
Late to this party, but I've tried to love the a7CII. I really do like the image quality on more static subjects, and the form factor is smaller, but that comes with some caveats, e.g. i) small and dark EVF - sure, it works, but it sure isn't a delight to use, ii) ergs aren't much to write home about, especially if you have mid-to-large size hands, iii) single SD card slot is always a risk (but in reality never caused an issue for me).
The poor and uninspring EVF let me to change my shooting style, holding the camera in front of and using the back screen more. In reality I was letting the excellent AF system do much of the thinking, while I did the framing using the back LCD. Over time I realize that this is not my preferred way of photographing. Lastly, as much as I like the output, the a7IV/a7Cii sensor has a slow read-out speed making e-shutter close to impossible unless you had zero camera or subject move.
Personally I would rather use an a7V and sell both the a7Cii and a7CR. I don't see the point of having 4 Sony cameras as a happy amateur. If I travel and need a backup, my iPhone 17 Pro Max will have to do.
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——the Sony vertical grip should be coming next week. I’m looking forward to shooting with my FE primes with it.