Pretty pathetic from the video side of the house (no internal RAW, no 6k, no open gate, no shutter angle), but such has been the trend from Sony. If you want a real hybrid, this isn't it, especially at the price.
That leaves the question, is this worth $3000 as a stills camera vs the competition?
So basically in a lot of ways the camera still loses out to the S1II, Z8, Z6III and R6III? RoamingScott wrote:
Pretty pathetic from the video side of the house (no internal RAW, no 6k, no open gate), but such has been the trend from Sony. If you want a real hybrid, this isn't it, especially at the price.
That leaves the question, is this worth $3000 as a stills camera vs the competition?
JadedWriter wrote:
So basically in a lot of ways the camera still loses out to the S1II, Z8, Z6III and R6III?
It's crazy how compelling the Z8 stays even amidst these newer models dropping around it. A few more bucks gets you so much more in terms of an overall package.
I remember seeing the leaked specs a week ago and going, "why not just buy a refurbished Z8?" RoamingScott wrote:
It's crazy how compelling the Z8 stays even amidst these newer models dropping around it. A few more bucks gets you so much more in terms of an overall package.
It is the same story as most brands, most recently the Canon R6 III. They could have done so much more - especially at the price range - but it's just not what industry sales & marketing leadership will allow us to get. Better EVF and improved body would have been easy enough. Open gate, while not strictly necessary, would have been nice. And my Sony pet peeve - just switch to the more affordable and convenient CFExpress Type B already! :-)
Bottomline, I'm in no rush, I'll happily wait until this one goes below $2,500 on the street price.
Sony's strategy is not to have the hybrids like this be the best for video. Unlike Nikon and the others, they have a full dedicated line of FX-series cameras for the video-first crowd and based on how heavily those are actually used in the industry by those who make their living doing video...that strategy clearly works very well for Sony.
Their hybrids excel at the photography part and do a very good job for those folks who also use them to dabble in video. If that's not you, then go buy a Canon or a Nikon and deal with the other trade-offs you'll face.
Unlike 5-6 years ago when Nikon and Canon were lagging, they have caught up. That was bound to happen. Now every new release from anyone will generally be less impressive and the usual whining/chest thumping from the non-Sony users that wander over here will commence.
Looking purely at the photo specs I'd say this is a good bit better on paper than the Nikon Z6III in ways that matter (more mpx, faster fps with full 14-bit raw no dynamic range hit, raw precapture); the Canon R6III is on more equal footing on the photo side. What we don't know yet is how well the tracking works. I would suspect it will be very close to a mini A1II/A9III in that regard, where Sony just does a better job. Now they need to tweak the AI for better initial subject recognition of small objects in the frame.
RoamingScott wrote:
It's crazy how compelling the Z8 stays even amidst these newer models dropping around it. A few more bucks gets you so much more in terms of an overall package.
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JadedWriter wrote:
I remember seeing the leaked specs a week ago and going, "why not just buy a refurbished Z8?"
Agreed. As far as I can see, if you don't need/want raw pre-capture, the Z8 is better in pretty much every way.
j4nu wrote:
I wish it would go for like ~2500$, but I'm still surprised Sony went with semi-stacked sensor in their basic model .
Without tariffs it probably would have. I looked at the exchange they used into CAD and it is 1.27. Before tariffs that would have been between 1.35-1.4 which would have made the A7V around $2600-2700.
jhapeman wrote:
Sony's strategy is not to have the hybrids like this be the best for video. Unlike Nikon and the others, they have a full dedicated line of FX-series cameras for the video-first crowd and based on how heavily those are actually used in the industry by those who make their living doing video...that strategy clearly works very well for Sony.
Their hybrids excel at the photography part and do a very good job for those folks who also use them to dabble in video. If that's not you, then go buy a Canon or a Nikon and deal with the other trade-offs you'll face.
Unlike 5-6 years ago when Nikon and Canon were lagging, they have caught up. That was bound to happen. Now every new release from anyone will generally be less impressive and the usual whining/chest thumping from the non-Sony users that wander over here will commence.
Looking purely at the photo specs I'd say this is a good bit better on paper than the Nikon Z6III in ways that matter (more mpx, faster fps with full 14-bit raw no dynamic range hit, raw precapture); the Canon R6III is on more equal footing on the photo side. What we don't know yet is how well the tracking works. I would suspect it will be very close to a mini A1II/A9III in that regard, where Sony just does a better job. Now they need to tweak the AI for better initial subject recognition of small objects in the frame. ...Show more →
Your analysis is right on the money, Jeff! I like that portion: the usual whining/chest thumping from the non-Sony users that wander over here will commence". I may add that those, most of them, at least, are Nikon to Sony and back to Nikon users. Of course, they have to justify their decision alright but it is getting old already...
People are allowed to comment on any brand, no matter what they shoot. Many of us shoot multiple brands and hold no specific loyalty. It’s funny to see the defensiveness on the other shoe for the first time in MANY years though.
AGeoJO wrote:
Your analysis is right on the money, Jeff! I like that portion: the usual whining/chest thumping from the non-Sony users that wander over here will commence". I may add that those, most of them, at least, are Nikon to Sony and back to Nikon users. Of course, they have to justify their decision alright but it is getting old already...
I am fully okay with Sony splitting up their camera bodies into video and photo. Not sure if I'm in the majority. But I don't mind missing video features.
RoamingScott wrote:
People are allowed to comment on any brand, no matter what they shoot. Many of us shoot multiple brands and hold no specific loyalty. It’s funny to see the defensiveness on the other shoe for the first time in MANY years though.
Ha, it wasn't address to you but hey, you felt it, huh? Yes, absolutely you can post whatever on every forum you feel like it but why? No forum regulations that prohibit you from doing that. What are the benefits you get from doing that other than boasting. And you don't work for any particular camera company and you are not getting paid from them. But to each his/her own...
In addition, I don't think everyone can or wants to afford changing systems just because some feature or differences in bodies. I'm invested in the Sony system. So there must be quite a lot more to make me switch. The Sony A7V seems to be a really good camera for taking photos. That's what I'm interested in.
Agreed. As far as I can see, if you don't need/want raw pre-capture, the Z8 is better in pretty much every way.
But this (raw pre-capture) is the latest frontier on the photo side right now. Besides, I don't see the point of comparing refurbished and new.
Thanks though for buying the Z6iii. Usually when enough people decide to switch sides, it's the time the manufacturer has to take notice and come out with something significant if they can and that was my feeling at the time you switched. Now on the mid range photo side, Sony is back to the front with 14bit pre capture raw, when R6iii only has 12bit, and Nikon jpg.
