p.1 #1 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
Well, the 45 sits between the 35 & 50, and there is nothing after 50 until the 85. Should Canon close the gap? There is the EF-s 60 2.8, and I believe Sigma made a 70mm lens. Just curious what you think.
Jim
p.1 #2 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
We have 50mm and 85mm lenses at f/1.2, f/1.4, and f/1.8 / f/2.0 - I'm not sure what value there would be, where the new lens wouldn't contest market share with the current models.
It could be cool, but being fast or close focusing or even APO-ish wouldn't make it very unique and thus would limit the potential market of buyers, in my opinion.
As an explainer: people shoot weddings with two bodies, one with a 35/1.4 and the other with an 85/1.4. A few steps forward or back with them and now you have ~50mm. Even that gap isn't big enough to need to be filled. And if it did, they'd use a zoom.
p.1 #4 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
johnctharp wrote:
We have 50mm and 85mm lenses at f/1.2, f/1.4, and f/1.8 / f/2.0 - I'm not sure what value there would be, where the new lens wouldn't contest market share with the current models.
It could be cool, but being fast or close focusing or even APO-ish wouldn't make it very unique and thus would limit the potential market of buyers, in my opinion.
As an explainer: people shoot weddings with two bodies, one with a 35/1.4 and the other with an 85/1.4. A few steps forward or back with them and now you have ~50mm. Even that gap isn't big enough to need to be filled. And if it did, they'd use a zoom....Show more →
John, that's interesting. When I assisted with weddings, the main shooter had 2 cameras, one with the 24 -70 2.8 and the other with the 70-200 2.8. I used the EF 50 1.2 but shot mostly at 1.6. Yeah, you go from 50 to 35 or 50 to 80 just moving a couple of steps backwards or forwards.
Jim
p.1 #5 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
No.
A fast prime in this range for me is basically no-mans-land. I have the 28-70/2 and use it a lot, but 70mm is IMO on the short side for portraiture and I'll instead reach for my 85/1.4. That said, 85 is too close to 70 and I would rather see Canon release a fast 100. With Leica M, I strongly prefer 21, 28, 50, 90 lens spacing and this also holds over to Canon.
What I'd really prefer is Canon just make their own version of the Sony 50-150/2 (which I began advocating for years before Sony beat Canon to it) so that I'd never need another prime again.
Konica did make a very interesting 60/1.2 in Leica screw mount (for rangefinder cameras) back in 1999, limited to 800 pieces and is now a collector's item. But the real draw to this lens is its 'character' and how that character changes as it's stopped down. And fast 55-58mm lenses seemed to be a bit more common in the 60s-70s. Perhaps because it was relatively easy to make?
Given we're able to shoot with 45-50MP sensors now, there seems to be a slight shift towards shooting looser with very fast lenses and just cropping them for the final desired composition. I feel the actual focal length now is somewhat less important than it used to be and I'd rather have more spacing between lenses. Currently when shooting with the 28-70 and in low light, I pair it with the 135/1.8. When 135 is too tight and 70 is too loose, I just crop from 70 rather than swap out for the 85. A very fast 100 would make me reconsider this.
p.1 #6 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
I wouldn't buy one. However, I use the EF-S 60 2.8 USM on my R7 and it's great for flowers, flat art and documents, but not so much for general use. The 1:1 magnification would be nice for duplicating slides and negs. Still have thousands of slides waiting to be copied...
p.1 #7 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
rscheffler wrote:
No.
Given we're able to shoot with 45-50MP sensors now, there seems to be a slight shift towards shooting looser with very fast lenses and just cropping them for the final desired composition. I feel the actual focal length now is somewhat less important than it used to be and I'd rather have more spacing between lenses. Currently when shooting with the 28-70 and in low light, I pair it with the 135/1.8. When 135 is too tight and 70 is too loose, I just crop from 70 rather than swap out for the 85. A very fast 100 would make me reconsider this....Show more →
A 100/1.4 could be nice, though maybe too close to the fast 85s.
p.1 #8 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
Depends on your preferred lens spacing. I think a fast 100 makes sense when your normal zoom ends at 70mm. But if someone is shooting primes, then 35, 50, 85 is pretty common, though I'd be more inclined to a 28, 50, 100 combo. So yeah, I'd still like to see a premium 28/1.4 and 100/1.4 or 100/1.8 for RF.
A 100/1.8 could be made to fit the VCM line's form factor, though of course it wouldn't be f/1.4.
p.1 #9 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
I would like a 60/1.2 and 70/1.2 or 75/1.2.
My current 60mm lens the Coastal Optics 60 only goes to F4, there are times I would like to shoot more open. Used to have the 1st Sigma macro 70/2.8. Didn't use it a lot, so I sold it but from time to time I wish I still had it.
Should Canon make one? As much as I would like it, they are not popular focal lengths with most shooters except when using a 70-200mm zoom so I can't see a market for it. Still I dream of more F/1.2 prime at various focal lengths. Still waiting for the 35/1.2.
p.1 #10 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
I think the other question relevant to this poll is should another f/1.2 lens be a similar 'budget' character lens, or a high-achiever L lens?
IMO Canon should skip a 35/1.2 and go straight to f/1.0. Same with 28 and 50. Maybe also a 75.
Heck, considering the Sigma 135/1.4 and 200/2, make a 100/1.0 and make it TC compatible (even if it required a special dedicated TC). I'd find that much more appealing TBH.
Of course these would all be $$$$ high-achiever L lenses.
p.1 #11 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
If they opened the field up to third parties you would see a lot more variety. As someone said, at 70 mm, take a couple steps back with your 85 1.2 or 1.4. The 28-70 f2 is also pretty fast for most portrait, event, and sports photography. You can also use crop mode on your 50 f1.2. I would rather they open the field to other makers rather than relying on Canon to come up on their own with the variety one might want. They have not updated the 200 f2 or the 200-400 for RF and where is the adapter they were working on for variable teleconverter ranges?
p.1 #12 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
The same could be said with a 50mm lens. Take 2 steps back and you have a 45mm lens, 3 steps back and you have a 40mm lens. Forward 3 steps and you have a 60mm lens. It's the same principle regardless of which lens one uses in the standard range.
p.1 #17 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
rscheffler wrote:
Depends on your preferred lens spacing. I think a fast 100 makes sense when your normal zoom ends at 70mm. But if someone is shooting primes, then 35, 50, 85 is pretty common, though I'd be more inclined to a 28, 50, 100 combo. So yeah, I'd still like to see a premium 28/1.4 and 100/1.4 or 100/1.8 for RF.
A 100/1.8 could be made to fit the VCM line's form factor, though of course it wouldn't be f/1.4.
I think your example is the one instance where the OP's question might make sense. Instead of 28, 50, 100 maybe you have 28, 65, 100 or even 35, 70, 100. That would make for a unique line up but they would need to be fast enough to warrant picking the 3 primes over say the 24 - 105 F2.8. Individually the primes would all be easier to handle than the big zoom, but depending upon the situation you might not have time to swap lenses, or you're going to be carry multiple bodies to have different focal lengths available.
So I voted no in that I think that range is going to be very niche, but at the same time I understand that someone is going to want a 70 F1.2 for reasons. There definitely is a place in the line up for a high quality 70 using a design like the RF 50, but the actual takers of it might be too low to warrant making one.
p.1 #18 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
Every time I try my battled Distagon 60mm f/3.5 I really like the angle of view, this on FF. If I have a zoom which includes these FLs I turn into a pointandshooter, loose my focus, blindly snapping of, uninterested.
Prime lenses force me to focus on the craft, to See, Zeen. Some of my best days, all included, have been when constrained by a specific focal length. Should be much more often. Should include a 60mm!
Can be a f/2 if zeissy! Corner to corner resolution, zero distortion, close to perfect aberration suppression are much more important than fast speed. Max magnification >x0.33
p.1 #19 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
Z250SA wrote:
Every time I try my battled Distagon 60mm f/3.5 I really like the angle of view, this on FF. If I have a zoom which includes these FLs I turn into a pointandshooter, loose my focus, blindly snapping of, uninterested.
Prime lenses force me to focus on the craft, to See, Zeen. Some of my best days, all included, have been when constrained by a specific focal length. Should be much more often. Should include a 60mm!
Can be a f/2 if zeissy! Corner to corner resolution, zero distortion, close to perfect aberration suppression are much more important than fast speed. Max magnification >x0.33...Show more →
The Zeiss Otus 55 1.4 is what you're looking for. Take 1 step backward and you have your 60mm. There's 1 for sale on the B/S forum for $1350
Jim
p.1 #20 · Should Canon make an RF 60mm or 70mm fast lens?
jgoetz4 wrote:
The Zeiss Otus 55 1.4 is what you're looking for. Take 1 step backward and you have your 60mm. There's 1 for sale on the B/S forum for $1350
Jim
Oh please dont!! No NO, the Otus is at least two steps too fast and five mm to vide and and. Yes, you are right. But I would be far more tempted by a 28.
