Picture This! wrote:
Its great Thypoch are thinking about what's next. The Simera lenses exhibit noticeable to significant focus breathing. While I appreciate the cost and price/performance, look of these lenses they need to figure out how to address the focus breathing issue if they want to be taken seriously in the cinema space.
I dont know about the simera cine lenses, but for the stills versions, you are right Manu! I was curious and just checked their performance. All three of my Simeras show focus breathing. The 28 the least, followed by the 35. The 50 shows extreme focus breathing! Especially noticeable when focusing up close (0.4-0.7m).
Suppose this comes mainly due to the internal focusing of all 3 lenses.
I just noticed that the 35 has a concave front element - something only my Zeiss 55/1.8 also has.
Also, the aperature clicks on the lenses are so different! Excellent on the 28, okay on the 35 and almost not existent on the 50 Simera.
I still have an unboxed 28 Simera up for sale $390 if anyone wants lmk per DM
Nice Gardenia Philip! If it only took one shot, sounds like love at first sight!
Also the Taj grounds reminds me of the “mini Taj” thats across the river - its mostly in red brick like what you showed us here.
My first two snaps with the 50 Simera after unboxing in the car attached - unedited
I dont have first hand experience with the Simera-c but looks like (based on video samples and reviews), the focus breathing is not just present but pretty bad.
After some side-by-side testing I think the Simera 50mm 1.4 is making me sell my Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton. The close focus resolving power on the Simera is so satisfying. The 40mm blurs the background like nothing else I have, but the Thypoch just seems to render a combination of qualities in the image that come together to lift it above most other lenses. Sharp subjects, beautiful bokeh, limited fringing...I'll just avoid pointing too close to the sun.
The 50mm is easy to reach for. It has this knack of turning the mundane into a special look, and great around dusk.
Here, I want to show how the 21mm f1.4 does with portraits, at regular subject-camera distances. Both are about 25% off the edges. The Simeras are cine-oriented lenses, therefore people photography is a prime consideration. Of course, 21s are for landscapes but the versatility is appreciated.
adroit bokeh treatment of difficult rock wall; solid handling of highlights.
Picture This! wrote:
Its great Thypoch are thinking about what's next. The Simera lenses exhibit noticeable to significant focus breathing. While I appreciate the cost and price/performance, look of these lenses they need to figure out how to address the focus breathing issue if they want to be taken seriously in the cinema space.
Yeah, I just returned the 28. The focus breathing behavior is odd – nearly all of it occurs from MFD to 1 m. It is so pronounced it feels almost like you are warping. From 1m to infinity breathing is minimal/inconspicuous. I think in order to get focused breathing in control lenses generally have to be bigger. Simera’s are tiny for their speed and if we think of them as “cine” lenses. The GM’s are often poor for focus breathing and they are generally small for what they are and the level of correction they offer.
I noticed a correlation with lenses needing to be larger and focus breathing correction. All Panasonic F1.8 lenses are relatively large but pretty well corrected for focus breathing.
The Simeras are also not color corrected as a set, even though their color is similar. If they could get those two things in check, I think they would be actual Cinema lenses. Having said that, that would probably make them larger and more expensive, which is a different set of issues.
Heres a few examples i just took to show the MFD of the Simera 50 at 45cm mounted on the CV helicoid adapter v1
And then with the helicoid adapter extended making the MFD closer to approx 35cm.
I took these wide open to show just how much smoother the bokeh can get. Pics are unedited.
The focus breathing on this one is extreme from MFD 0.45-0.7 cm
I assume this is mainly due to the small lens body and internal focusing
Lenses that extend outwards beyond the body typically behave better with focus breathing, this would make mounting the necessary protection filter onto the 50 Simera impossible though.
I just sent back the 50, 35 and listed my 28 for sale. Sorry Thypoch, I don't buy the cine inspired tagline.
I tend to do videos in addition to stills and the focus breathing is a total PITA. Their -C versions have the same issue. I know the GMs also have some breathing issues but some of the newer sony bodies have software correction and they are not claiming the cinema bs like Thypoch does. When you call something cine, it better be cine. Focus breathing is such a fundamental requirement for that use case.
I still feel these lenses are good value for money given that you get ~summilux like rendering. although the summilux has better micro-contrast and arguably better color gradation. The build quality of the Thypochs are nice. However, I prefer the micro-contrast and pop my zeiss lenses give me. Its simply no contest (and I dont expect it to be given the price difference in some cases). I put the simera 50 up against the zeiss 50/1.4 ZA (which I got used for just a bit more than the simera new). The ZA photos just pop and it also autofocuses. It was like coming back home.
It was great to try these lenses out but they are not for me.
Picture This! wrote:
I just sent back the 50, 35 and listed my 28 for sale. Sorry Thypoch, I don't buy the cine inspired tagline.
I tend to do videos in addition to stills and the focus breathing is a total PITA. Their -C versions have the same issue. I know the GMs also have some breathing issues but some of the newer sony bodies have software correction and they are not claiming the cinema bs like Thypoch does. When you call something cine, it better be cine. Focus breathing is such a fundamental requirement for that use case.
I still feel these lenses are good value for money given that you get ~summilux like rendering. although the summilux has better micro-contrast and arguably better color gradation. The build quality of the Thypochs are nice. However, I prefer the micro-contrast and pop my zeiss lenses give me. Its simply no contest (and I dont expect it to be given the price difference in some cases). I put the simera 50 up against the zeiss 50/1.4 ZA (which I got used for just a bit more than the simera new). The ZA photos just pop and it also autofocuses. It was like coming back home.
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Are the 50 simera vs 50mmf1.4 ZA comparison photos ones you're able to share?
I'm interested in both the 50mm f1.4 ZA and the 50+35mm simeras, have the 28mm. Trying to find something with that nice smooth gradual falloff from just below waist-up portrait distance at around maybe f2 without being too sharp.
The 28mm is a bit more clean to my eye than the nokton which is a bit more vintage (and the 28 more vintage than the 40/50 mm f1.2).
Liking the build and handling on the 28mm (other than that little bump at 0.75m focussing for rangefinders since I'm using the m-mount on sony) but haven't had it that long.
Are they all rendering similarly in the simera series or is the 35mm the odd one out?
Plenty of images in this very thread to help you out. These are aficionado lenses, not for the general 'try this, try that, send it back' lot. I sometimes look at peoples' uploads to gauge their styles and try to help them, but most times it's 95% gear transactions! Not a good sign.
With experience, you learn how to 'read' images, particularly if you see a lot of different scenarios and approaches, by a range of photographers.
It's a skill really worth having, but it requires effort and the review community don't much help, unfortunately. Today, people seem to be increasingly disturbed by minutiae.
I can't imagine being unhappy about the RF detent, as one of many examples. It helps resale if you are of a mind to move a lens along. And Thypoch are pushing the use of M-mount for other mounts in their cine versions, which use the identical optical designs.
The only difference is that they added 16-blade apertures to all the C lenses, just to be sure the bokeh stays entirely circular, even under the duress of cine. I was kind of hoping the lack of EXIF would put off the dilettantes back at first base, TBH.
I took this one of my 79 year old dad with his 82 year old wife of two years. My mother passed in 2020 and it's been nice for my rapidly aging dad to have a great companion. I caught them on a walk (which is hard for my dad since he's having serious health issues). Simera 35/1.4
philip_pj wrote:
Plenty of images in this very thread to help you out. These are aficionado lenses, not for the general 'try this, try that, send it back' lot. I sometimes look at peoples' uploads to gauge their styles and try to help them, but most times it's 95% gear transactions! Not a good sign.
With experience, you learn how to 'read' images, particularly if you see a lot of different scenarios and approaches, by a range of photographers.
It's a skill really worth having, but it requires effort and the review community don't much help, unfortunately. Today, people seem to be increasingly disturbed by minutiae.
I can't imagine being unhappy about the RF detent, as one of many examples. It helps resale if you are of a mind to move a lens along. And Thypoch are pushing the use of M-mount for other mounts in their cine versions, which use the identical optical designs.
The only difference is that they added 16-blade apertures to all the C lenses, just to be sure the bokeh stays entirely circular, even under the duress of cine. I was kind of hoping the lack of EXIF would put off the dilettantes back at first base, TBH. ...Show more →
That rf bump can be annoying when your focus is just infront or behind 0.75m and you're going back and forth over it to confirm. I like it otherwise. Actually I was very pleased with the build feel of the 28mm. Lovely clicks on the aperture control and generally it feels premium - looks it too!
Should have an adaptor to give it a try on the fuji x mount coming soon but not sure how that will fare against the 40mm nokton on the sony. But you never know.
I do like the 21mm shots you shared on this page but 28mm is enough of a challenge with people for me right now.
The 35mm nokton seems a little big, while the simera is even smaller than the 28mm according to the specs - just want to confirm it's not the odd one out of the simeras. I think I read a comment that suggested that somewhere, but I don't believe they explained why. In the nokton 28mm thread, only one person described the e-mount version as crunchy, so trying not to ignore those kinds of comments when I come across them, even lone voices, worth pressing so you know what you're getting. Even if I did end up liking the look for street.
I'm not seeing an issue out the examples shared anyway but perhaps someone would know what the user would be referring to.
If anyone does know, please speak freely.
I'm not a Thypoch puppet nor am I a self proclaimed "mentor". "aficionado" lenses is utter nonsense. I just happened to be intrigued by these lenses, tried them and didn't really care of them. I did post some of my reasoning earlier. I tend to look at the quality of people's work before I decide to take them seriously, or not. When someone makes absurd blanket comments like the latest generation of Zeiss lenses have harsh micro-contrast and bad color rendering and then posts mis-focused shots in bad lighting and the most uninspiring images to prove their "point", they lose credibility. Go read the last few pages of the "which lenses have 3D pop thread" and you will see absolute nonsense written there. I can only assume they are getting paid or incentivized by Thypoch to say how great their "cine" inspired lenses that focus breathe are
@Yogifi@ I didnt take A-B shots before sending the simera back. I dont post client photos here but instagram.com/manugraphy has a snapshot of some recent work. I do portraiture and dance photography for clients. I'll be happy to also point you to some portraits with the 50 ZA.
Picture This! wrote:
Go read the last few pages of the "which lenses have 3D pop thread" and you will see absolute nonsense written there. I can only assume they are getting paid or incentivized by Thypoch to say how great their "cine" inspired lenses that focus breathe are
Given the ever-increasing absurdity of these claims, there is almost no doubt about it anymore. However, I would have thought that the Chinese would choose someone for something like this who could not only fantasize and agitate, but also take good photographs.
00demontver00 wrote:
People talk too much, argue about nothing, and try to prove something.
But life is so short. Just be together and enjoy the moment... 28/1.4
Thank you for all your images!
I haven’t seen another account collect as many likes in such few words than you!
I wish you would have taken the 28 simera on your 4,500km trek to shoot the northern lights along with the 21 nokton (see his pics in the 21 nokton review, last post)
Pictures go to the heart. Don’t waste energy on arguing with the mind.
Remember that this is a collective effort
our personal subjective opinion is secondary
@Nifty Fifty jeder gibt sein Bestes! Und Philips Recherche und (Photo & Reise) Erfahrung ist erste Klasse.
Picture This! wrote:
I'm not a Thypoch puppet nor am I a self proclaimed "mentor". "aficionado" lenses is utter nonsense. I just happened to be intrigued by these lenses, tried them and didn't really care of them. I did post some of my reasoning earlier. I tend to look at the quality of people's work before I decide to take them seriously, or not. When someone makes absurd blanket comments like the latest generation of Zeiss lenses have harsh micro-contrast and bad color rendering and then posts mis-focused shots in bad lighting and the most uninspiring images to prove their "point", they lose credibility. Go read the last few pages of the "which lenses have 3D pop thread" and you will see absolute nonsense written there. I can only assume they are getting paid or incentivized by Thypoch to say how great their "cine" inspired lenses that focus breathe are
@Yogifi@@ I didnt take A-B shots before sending the simera back. I dont post client photos here but instagram.com/manugraphy has a snapshot of some recent work. I do portraiture and dance photography for clients. I'll be happy to also point you to some portraits with the 50 ZA.
The Simera is measurably lower in micro-contrast and saturation than those 2 lenses. That is not good or bad, but it is objective. I personally prefer the look of the Zeiss and the Leica, so the profiling was not done to learn which lenses had what level of contrast and saturation. I found it easy to feel the difference when processing files from the 3 lenses. The profiling was done to understand how to best process my photos to my liking.
