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p.5 #1 · Your Leica M EV1 Plans


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Back in the M10 intro days there was the first Q to compete with M sales and I wonder if even the SL 601 model (introduced Oct 2015) was competing with the M10 (introduced Jan 2017) even though I also very much liked my M1o models.

Back in those days it was a bold move for Leica to introduce something other than an M model. The Q has been terrific for them with the Sl not so much. I recall a big EVF problem a friend had with his first 601 which the Q at the same did not have.

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I was talking about Leica M bodies, not the other Leica camera lines. I agree though, there's definitely excitement around cameras like the Q.



Nov 07, 2025 at 11:00 AM
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@retrofocus
Did not mean Q and Sl competed against each other at all. Two different systems intentionally.



Nov 07, 2025 at 04:06 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I don't mean to sound negative, but it feels like the real excitement around the M line peaked with the M10. Maybe that was the one that truly hit the sweet spot.


I think the M11 added some meaningful future-proofing over the M10 - the USB C connectivity, the awesome 60MP sensor, and internal memory. Of course, that all makes it harder to justify another Leica camera to "upgrade" to beyond the M11, but there's nothing wrong with that.

I've also been fortunate to elide many of the software glitches that plagued other M11 users.



Nov 12, 2025 at 05:43 PM
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Does anyone actually have SL sales figures? I hear often that SL sales disappoint Leica but Leica themselves always seem to say they are happy with SL sales.

Gordon



Nov 12, 2025 at 07:23 PM
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Arka wrote:
I think the M11 added some meaningful future-proofing over the M10 - the USB C connectivity, the awesome 60MP sensor, and internal memory. Of course, that all makes it harder to justify another Leica camera to "upgrade" to beyond the M11, but there's nothing wrong with that.

I've also been fortunate to elide many of the software glitches that plagued other M11 users.


While they are useful features, I don't really think about USB ports or internal memory when shooting an M camera. My point is that, to me, the M10 series represents the peak of the pure rangefinder experience. That's just my perspective from owning both, and it doesn't make the M11 any less capable, though the constant shutter activity can feel a bit distracting compared to the M10 and my film Ms.



Nov 12, 2025 at 07:36 PM
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flash wrote:
Does anyone actually have SL sales figures? I hear often that SL sales disappoint Leica but Leica themselves always seem to say they are happy with SL sales.

Gordon


It's Leica marketing vs. @retrofocus

Reality is somewhere in between.



Nov 12, 2025 at 08:51 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
While they are useful features, I don't really think about USB ports or internal memory when shooting an M camera. My point is that, to me, the M10 series represents the peak of the pure rangefinder experience. That's just my perspective from owning both, and it doesn't make the M11 any less capable, though the constant shutter activity can feel a bit distracting compared to the M10 and my film Ms.


I guess I just like the fact that the USB-C and built in memory give me less things to worry about, and make the camera more of a "grab and go" proposition. If I want to go on a trip, I can just grab the camera and two lenses knowing that I can charge the camera via any old USB-C cable. And in the unlikely but entirely possible event I forget an SD card, I can still shoot with the camera.

I'm also not sure that the M11 does all that much to dilute the rangefinder experience.



Nov 12, 2025 at 09:08 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
While they are useful features, I don't really think about USB ports or internal memory when shooting an M camera.

I agree.

Fred Miranda wrote:
My point is that, to me, the M10 series represents the peak of the pure rangefinder experience. That's just my perspective from owning both

Strangely, my perspective from owning both is that the M11 is the peak: small, light... I do not really know why because I'm stop thinking about it but I prefer it to the M10 which is too a perfectly capable camera.

Fred Miranda wrote:
though the constant shutter activity can feel a bit distracting compared to the M10 and my film Ms.

We are all sensitive to different things: what bother me with the M11 is what bothered me with all previous M, i.e. the slow startup time and sensor dust.



Nov 12, 2025 at 11:32 PM
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Another thing: I'm just back from a trip and I spent most of my time in cities. So I took only the M with me.
But I also add a few days countryside, shot some landscapes, etc, nothing serious, just holidays pictures with maybe a few good enough to post here someday.

And I wonder if when shooting landscapes, urban architecture, I would prefer a M-EV1 and the answer is "not so much". With the 90mm or 50mm wide open, maybe. But when using the 15mm or 28mm, I focus very quickly using the rangefinder and compose with the monitor.

When using a tele, I like focus peaking. When using a wide-angle or composing, I cannot stand it. So I've spend my time changing the configuration pressing a button.
I sometimes need the camera level but most of the time find the horizontal line distracting.

So in the end, what I miss is a modern camera such as my OM-1 II: a comfortable EVF with a quick refresh rate, perfect focus where I want it, a camera level in the informations zone I can have all the time, etc. Not to mention the fact that I can buy this camera and a full set of excellent lenses for the price of the M EV-1.

P.S: I'm of course ok with the fact that some people like the EV-1. I would never suggest that they are wrong and they cab spend their money any way they like. I spent mine buying a M11 so I'm far away from the pack.
I'm just saying that I'm really disappointed by the focusing aids as implemented by Leica.



Nov 12, 2025 at 11:49 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
My plan is to never buy this camera. I really don't get what Leica was thinking, no offense to those who like it.

That said, I could definitely see myself considering a much smaller SL camera in the future, something not much bigger than the Sony A7CR. Basically a Leica CL full frame.

I don't believe Leica will make one, but it's something I'd consider for sure.


For the M EV1, I believe Leica is thinking about people like me.

I have loved and lusted after an M camera for years. I love the size, shape, weight, build, simplicity, and access to M lenses. What held me back is the RF. I am sure you know far better than me the limitations the RF places on the M system. (No offense to those, including you, who love their Ms.)

Many, many people obviously love M cameras, including the RF. But having started with an RF camera and switched to SLR in 1975, I never could wrap my mind around paying Leica prices to go so far backwards in viewfinder/focusing technology. Nor to endure the limitations imposed by an RF. Nor to amass all the accoutrements Leica created over the years to wire around those limitations. Apart from the uncertainty of never seeing the true scope or perspective of the image seen by the lens, the RF limits lens selection: on the short end, on the long end, zooms, focal lengths that don't match predetermined frame lines, lenses that aren't calibrated or matched to the RF system, etc. Those limitations bite even harder now that adapters otherwise permit one to mount virtually any lens on virtually any mirrorless camera.

So leave the RF behind, add an EV to all the other benefits of an M camera, and I am there. All day, every day. Along with many other photographers. I truly believe the M EV concept can be Leica's opportunity to make the best camera ever. Unfortunately, I do not yet know whether Leica fulfilled its promise with the M EV1 execution. I suspect not.

On the one hand, I disagree an EV viewfinder is too difficult to focus manually. Too many people manually focus Q and SL cameras, much less mirrorless camera from other brands, to lend that argument credence. In fact, even M owners focus with an EV — in the form of a Visoflex — when they find the RF insufficient for specific lenses or circumstances.

On the other hand, I certainly would value better EV manual focusing aids than can be found on a Q, SL, or, apparently, the EV 1. An EV equivalent of an SLR split image screen, for example, might be ideal (in a way, the SLR split image screen is analogous to the RF's matching images). Or more precise, consistent, reliable focus peaking. Or some other form of focus assist we have yet to see.

In any event, I really hope Leica brings to the EV space the same creativity with which it develops its lenses. Whether the EV 1 or some subsequent iteration, I now believe I will become an M owner soon.

If Leica can nail the EV technology, I predict the M EV will become the best camera ever.

But just my pov.





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Something I never really even thought about until just now. Will the M EV-1 inspire someone to start making small high quality manual M mount zoom lenses. I see no reason not to?

Now that would shake up the M World.



Nov 16, 2025 at 02:55 AM
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The Laowa 12-24mm f/5.6 works well with the EV1. Tested it with the EV1 at one of the Seoul locations.

Most likely a Chinese company will release more zooms first since they have super fast response time and since Leica M is the most popular mount right now for adapted lenses in both motion and stills, it wouldn't have to be EV1 specific.

https://www.venuslens.net/product/laowa-12-24mm-f-5-6-zoom

1bwana1 wrote:
Something I never really even thought about until just now. Will the M EV-1 inspire someone to start making small high quality manual M mount zoom lenses. I see no reason not to?

Now that would shake up the M World.









Nov 16, 2025 at 03:19 AM
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Maybe we will actually end up with some very special zooms in M mount. Time will tel...


Nov 16, 2025 at 04:50 AM
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Imagine a 35-50 mm Apo M Summicron for 16k 😅


Nov 16, 2025 at 05:41 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
While they are useful features, I don't really think about USB ports or internal memory when shooting an M camera. My point is that, to me, the M10 series represents the peak of the pure rangefinder experience. That's just my perspective from owning both, and it doesn't make the M11 any less capable, though the constant shutter activity can feel a bit distracting compared to the M10 and my film Ms.


I really like the way Leica implemented the USB-C port: easily accessible for topping off the battery or quickly transferring images to the computer. All MacBooks have a USB-C port, but not all of them have an SD card reader.

I do not miss any rangefinder experience from the M10, and the M10 has much more bothersome shutter activity (when switching LV on and off). Yes, when pressing the shutter on M11, the shutter has to close first and open at the end, but that is well integrated into the overall shutter activation. I guess one can be bothered by switching between M10 and M11, but I don't notice it anymore once I shoot only with M11s.



Nov 16, 2025 at 12:13 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Maybe we will actually end up with some very special zooms in M mount. Time will tel...


It is possible, but I doubt Leica will focus lens development on a zoom M-mount lens in the near future. Leica made two multi-focal length lenses in the past - they both didn't sell too well compared to prime lenses due to their slower lens speed. The Wate lens was the most known with 16-18-21 focal length stops at f/4. The lesser known Leica 28-35-50 lens at f/4 suffered from an even poorer reputation. Maybe these lenses will receive at some point a new life again with much higher ISO usable in more modern M cameras where f/4 might not be as much of a debit to use them in low light.



Nov 16, 2025 at 01:07 PM
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retrofocus wrote:
It is possible, but I doubt Leica will focus lens development on a zoom M-mount lens in the near future. Leica made two multi-focal length lenses in the past - they both didn't sell too well compared to prime lenses due to their slower lens speed. The Wate lens was the most known with 16-18-21 focal length stops at f/4. The lesser known Leica 28-35-50 lens at f/4 suffered from an even poorer reputation. Maybe these lenses will receive at some point a new life again with much higher ISO usable in more modern M cameras where f/4 might not
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There was a 28-75 Vario-Elmar-M, that existed and was field tested in 2016, but was not released..

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/threads/trielmar-28-35-50-75.4052244/#post-58320077



Nov 16, 2025 at 01:46 PM
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retrofocus wrote:
It is possible, but I doubt Leica will focus lens development on a zoom M-mount lens in the near future. Leica made two multi-focal length lenses in the past - they both didn't sell too well compared to prime lenses due to their slower lens speed. The Wate lens was the most known with 16-18-21 focal length stops at f/4. The lesser known Leica 28-35-50 lens at f/4 suffered from an even poorer reputation. Maybe these lenses will receive at some point a new life again with much higher ISO usable in more modern M cameras where f/4 might not
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I agree that leica is not likely to be first with M zooms. But back when Leica did their multi focal length experiment there was only RF M cameras. Now that there is an EVF variant the experience will be far superior and acceptance greater. This opportunity will likely be exploited by more innovative risk tolerant Chinese companies. It will be interesting to watch development if it happens.



Nov 16, 2025 at 01:47 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
I agree that leica is not likely to be first with M zooms. But back when Leica did their multi focal length experiment there was only RF M cameras. Now that there is an EVF variant the experience will be far superior and acceptance greater. This opportunity will likely be exploited by more innovative risk tolerant Chinese companies. It will be interesting to watch development if it happens.


I believe M-EV1 is too niche a product to warrant specific lenses.



Nov 16, 2025 at 01:50 PM
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SrMi wrote:
I believe M-EV1 is too niche a product to warrant specific lenses.


Have you even tried one yet?

Give it time. Despite the initial resistance from radiational M RF shooters as it develops and gets improved features I think it has the potential to be a third leg in the M RF, Q, MEV, trilogy. I personally know 6 Q users who have bought one to have the ability to change lenses, and 2 new Leica shooters who have chosen the M11-EV1 as their entry point into Leica. My U.S. friends haven't even had the opportunity to try or buy one yet.

Leica has the ability to greatly influence acceptance. Imagine if Leica releases a M12 -EV2 with fast boot times, some enhanced focus aids, and IBIS before releasing such features in a traditional RF M. I know there would be one in my bag on day 1.

A great deal remains to be known before we make such statements about Niche product. Heck all M cameras are Niche...



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