philip_pj wrote:
rob, 'the dogs that did not bark' in focus type comparisons are as follow: the focal length and identity of the lens used, light and the focal distance. Was it a 21mm, a 90mm or a 135mm? Did you focus on a woman standing 50m, or 100m down the street? In what light conditions? How did you go with an object at 0.35m with the RF camera?
These little pieces of real world usability all matter to speed of acquisition and final precision accuracy, not to mention consistency at wide apertures and RF-unfriendly focal lengths. And there is always the opening of new creative doors. These and more besides are issues that the 'RF is faster to focus' advocates so often manage to not mention. ...Show more →
You are right of course Philip. The lens was a 35 APO 'cron (I'm sure they want me to buy the TOTL ) focused on a variety of subjects in the shop both near and far. I don't pretend it was even the beginning of a real test. It was just to get a feel for the latest models and how they handle and, specifically, what feels different between the M11 and the M-EV1. Were I to proceed, a much longer test would be needed and Leica can facilitate that.
I'm still interested in the experience of people who have gone ahead and bought the M-EV1 and whether they find its focusing method any better than what they may have used on other mirrorless cameras with magnify/outline as they main MF aid. Maybe it is just the same and they are happy with that! Long term user experience is probably the best guide of all!
As a footnote, also curious to discover that the M11 is discontinued. It's always difficult to predict Leica's moves. When I googled 'M12' last night all the info was last year's guesses about what became the M-EV1.
rob_ww wrote:
As a footnote, also curious to discover that the M11 is discontinued. It's always difficult to predict Leica's moves. When I googled 'M12' last night all the info was last year's guesses about what became the M-EV1.
The M11 was discontinued in favor of the M11-P. This is in line with Leica's normal pattern.
What I find curious is why Leica based the EV-1 on the discontinued M11 rather than the current M11-P. That seems like an odd choice to me.
I haven’t had a chance to try the EV1 yet, but the more I watch videos/think about the camera, the more I think it makes sense as a 2nd camera for me. I don’t see how the EVF replaces a rangefinder for street type of work, but most of what I do is either candid/portraits of the family or landscape/still image. Neither one of those require quick acquisition of the subject and can actually greatly benefit from using an EVF compared to a rangefinder. For landscape, being able to magnify the image with the EVF would be excellent to ensure the image is sharp…..the mountain is moving on me. I was quick to question the reasoning behind the release at first, but I’m slowly starting to get it
rsolti13 wrote:
I haven’t had a chance to try the EV1 yet, but the more I watch videos/think about the camera, the more I think it makes sense as a 2nd camera for me. I don’t see how the EVF replaces a rangefinder for street type of work, but most of what I do is either candid/portraits of the family or landscape/still image. Neither one of those require quick acquisition of the subject and can actually greatly benefit from using an EVF compared to a rangefinder. For landscape, being able to magnify the image with the EVF would be excellent to ensure the image is sharp…..the mountain is moving on me. I was quick to question the reasoning behind the release at first, but I’m slowly starting to get it...Show more →
I would think the Visoflex2 would actually serve those purposes better. Especially landscape photography because of the ability to tilt.
1bwana1 wrote:
I would think the Visoflex2 would actually serve those purposes better. Especially landscape photography because of the ability to tilt.
Indeed and most of the time, the screen is enough for me especially when I use a wide-angle. With a 50 or 90mm, this is less convenient but still possible.
Of course, I'm talking about a "backup solution". If I wanted to use an EVF most of the time with M lenses, I would use a Kolari modified Nikon or Sony. Or a SL2/SL3 whilst praying for Leica to release a smaller and lighter one. Maybe "dreaming" is a better world.
I decided to choose the fourth option, "No interest." Unless all of my batteries die, I have a lifetime supply of digital M camera bodies; M Type 246 Monochrome, and M10.
Initially, it was the price that was the largest problem. Had the price been closer to that of the SL-3, I would have been more receptive. Ultimately, there is no joy in viewing a small television. If shooting were to be my job, I would use an EVF, but, I shoot for myself, so, it has to be joyful, or, at least, interesting.
I talked to a few people and got an EV ! then I was loaned a A7rmk II with the latest Kolari mode and the af techart adapter. As I got a used EV 1 from BH I had 30 days to return it, As an older photographer, I hated the ergnomics of the Sony with that adapter so front heavy. It is also a good 5 ounces heavier then the EV 1 . As someone who has been carrying cameras for almost 56 years every ounce is precious. I have long been curious about getting medium format digital and really wanted to like the Sony and save the price difference to get a medium format, hell my sports work I shoot Sony and love it, but not as a vehicle for Leica lenses. I am keeping my EV 1 and one Leica M 11
Not quite sure what option, if any, I have clicked on some time ago, but what I know now is that I have bought one. Very happy with my purchase, enjoying it big time
I mostly use my EV1 as a lighter carry with 1 to a few lenses and really like it for that, but as shown with the R lenses one can push the envelope I have a M to F mount converter and now my classic Nikon lenses that cannot work with a rangefinder do… lenses like the legendary 58 mm Nikkor noct or my ED 180 and 300 mm. I need a coupler for M to T, my 1350 mm Questar telescope will have to be on the agenda as well that at F13 needs an iso boost to work well. I doubt this adapting will be any large fraction of my use, but with adapters it is an option that is always available.
) focused on a variety of subjects in the shop both near and far. I don't pretend it was even the beginning of a real test. It was just to get a feel for the latest models and how they handle and, specifically, what feels different between the M11 and the M-EV1. Were I to proceed, a much longer test would be needed and Leica can facilitate that.
