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Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"

  
 
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It's indeed intriguing. I've never shot with the Leica 35mm f/1.4 ASPH. "pre-FLE", so I can only comment based on the data, optical design changes, and sample images. From what I've gathered, the current FLE versions (I or II) use the same optical design as the pre-FLE, with one distinct and important change: the floating group. The rear 5-element group moves as a unit depending on focus distance, better correcting SA and other aberrations at closer distances.

So, if you shoot at MFD or moderately close, the pre-FLE's spherical aberration (glow) and slightly lower contrast should be noticeable. Leica also
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Thank you Fred for the insight. I cant wait to see more samples from this LLL new offering and compare it to the Pre-FLE. I'm going to buy one of these two to add to my collection.



Dec 08, 2025 at 04:50 PM
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p.13 #2 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


Fred Miranda wrote:
It's indeed intriguing. I've never shot with the Leica 35mm f/1.4 ASPH. "pre-FLE", so I can only comment based on the data, optical design changes, and sample images. From what I've gathered, the current FLE versions (I or II) use the same optical design as the pre-FLE, with one distinct and important change: the floating group. The rear 5-element group moves as a unit depending on focus distance, better correcting SA and other aberrations at closer distances.

So, if you shoot at MFD or moderately close, the pre-FLE's spherical aberration (glow) and slightly lower contrast should be noticeable. Leica also
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Fred nailed most of the salient distinctions between the 35mm f1.4 pre FLE compared to its successor, the 35mm f1.4 FLE (Ver 1) in my opinion having owned the pre FLE for many years and the FLE (ver 1) for a brief time. The focus shift of the pre FLE at closer distances is moderately substantial (if the lens is adjusted for best focus wide open) and does contribute to some glow depending on subject lighting as a consequence of SA.
There are two notable observations in my time shooting both lenses. Aside from the focus shift and subsequent SA at closer focusing distances with the pre FLE. I felt the pre FLE had a bit of a painterly quality in a fair number of images, regardless of focusing distances, sort of a look between the ultra-modern FLE lenses and some older classic lenses. Dare I say a transition period, although the pre FLE definitely leans towards the FLE imagery. I also felt the FLE had more bite/sharpness and slightly higher contrast, especially in bright lighting and this may be due to possibly different coatings between the two lenses (improved with the FLE).

Often times I could pick which image was taken with each lens in a direct comparison. Whether what I observed was representative of simply the samples I owned, I cannot say, as I only owned one of each at the time.




Dec 08, 2025 at 05:52 PM
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p.13 #3 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


While I impatiently wait for my preorder, I am wondering if the original AA was very difficult for Leica to make, has lens manufacturing techniques improved so much that LLL can make these reliably?


Dec 08, 2025 at 06:55 PM
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p.13 #4 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


gordec wrote:
While I impatiently wait for my preorder, I am wondering if the original AA was very difficult for Leica to make, has lens manufacturing techniques improved so much that LLL can make these reliably?


The original Leica AA required two hand ground/polished aspherical elements, both costly and time consuming. Its successor, the asph (pre FLE) did not.
As for the LLL AA replica, my understanding is they are "not" using hand ground aspherical elements but in their optical configuration and formular, will emulate the optical characteristics and output of Leica's AA lens.




Dec 08, 2025 at 08:31 PM
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p.13 #5 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


There is a good article in the Leica Society International on the LLL 35/1.4 lens that discusses its multiyear development process and bow it parallels the original lens by an author who had owned and knew the original well.

In addition appears that LLL acquired the technology for molded asph elements they did not possess for the 1966 that would make production more cost efficient and reproducible- of course missing that Human element of the hand made thing, something I value in this increasingly robotic world- but something adds a high cost floor for the use of experienced workers. LLL continues to do interesting things that sets them apart.

I ordered it (Titanium) and I am interested in and waiting for Fred's review.



Dec 08, 2025 at 08:44 PM
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EMH2025 wrote:
In addition appears that LLL acquired the technology for molded asph elements they did not possess for the 1966 that would make production more cost efficient and reproducible- of course missing that Human element of the hand made thing, something I value in this increasingly robotic world- but something adds a high cost floor for the use of experienced workers. LLL continues to do interesting things that sets them apart.


For me, this is welcome news. Hand-molded aspherics often caused very noticeable onion patterns in the bokeh. On film, these flaws were somewhat more subtle, masked by grain...but on digital sensors, they become distracting.



Dec 08, 2025 at 09:00 PM
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Yes, I would agree it's not strictly vintage character but definitely more classic style era for the closer frame filling distances.

I got to briefly test the original AA alongside the FLE 1 and they were close enough in terms of technical performance at portrait distances. Rendering and subsequent halation and falloff of the AA reminded me more of the recent Leitz cine signatures more than any stills siblings. So I feel the AA is more in its own hybrid category despite sharing similar DNA.

The LLL samples I can’t tell cause I only remember how the AA looked on a M11 P so I can't gauge them against the film samples of the replica.

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But the pre-FLE isn’t a vintage lens in terms of character though 🤔




Dec 08, 2025 at 09:02 PM
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p.13 #8 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


Fred Miranda wrote:
For me, this is welcome news. Hand-molded aspherics often caused very noticeable onion patterns in the bokeh. On film, these flaws were somewhat more subtle, masked by grain...but on digital sensors, they become distracting.


The other thing about hand molded (ground) aspherics is the sample-to-sample variability, at least that's what I experienced with the Nikon 28mm f1.4 Af-D. At the time I had access to a substantially large number of samples, and I tested each one and the differences in performance across the frame was quite astonishing. Of course, the complex internal focus with both fixed and moving groups and their alignment might have contributed to these differences.



Dec 08, 2025 at 11:51 PM
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The goal of leica 35AA is to create a top performance lens at that time which hugley surpass the pre-asph 35mm summilux V1/V2. Even though LLL 35mm made few tweaks to make the lens less modern but more vintage vibe instead, The double ASPH formula reminds me the voightlander 35mm f1.5 vintage line, which is also double surface asphirical. It won't have the dreamy rendering of pre-asph summilux.

At the time I have not seen enough photo samples. I made deposit to pre order the titanium version, but end up i might not able to get a copy if all copies are sold.

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The modern performance is expected. I have seen a side by side comparison with the current 35/1.4 Lux FLE, and the two lenses look very similar. The Leica 35/1.4 double aspherical has a bit more coma and stronger bokeh outlining, but in resolution and contrast it is very close to the latest Leica 35/1.4 ASPH, which is considered a modern design. Honestly, the LLL double aspherical could be a real alternative to the much more expensive FLE. You get Leica level build quality and a very similar look without blowing up your budget.

Have you seen more sample images somewhere?




Dec 09, 2025 at 03:42 AM
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p.13 #10 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


Leica 35mm f/1.4 Double Aspherical "11873" still hasn't sold on ebay, which is honestly shocking. It includes everything you could ever dream of, like the legendary plastic tab, the equally legendary plastic hood, and the exquisitely aluminum silver barrel. And if my math is right, the asking price is perfectly reasonable, since it is only about 567 times more expensive than the Light Lens Lab replica. A total bargain. Please, somebody grab it before I do.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284152183021



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Fred Miranda wrote:
Leica 35mm f/1.4 Double Aspherical "11873" still hasn't sold on ebay, which is honestly shocking. It includes everything you could ever dream of, like the legendary plastic tab, the equally legendary plastic hood, and the exquisitely aluminum silver barrel. And if my math is right, the asking price is perfectly reasonable, since it is only about 567 times more expensive than the Light Lens Lab replica. A total bargain. Please, somebody grab it before I do.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284152183021


I don't know, it could be one good Ferrari, or two average ones........ or one over the top fishing boat or one average Ferrari and one average great fishing boat..... of course the lens would not have constant maintenance bills ! and a gaping hole in the check book---






Dec 09, 2025 at 10:51 AM
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p.13 #12 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


I ordered a 39mm push on hood from Light Lens Lab in Canada the other day. The shipping was $43, and I just received notice that I had to pay $54 duties on it.
That means if you ordered the LLL 35mm Aspherical, you'll be charged $500 for import/tariff duties. Word to the wise.
This is the first time I've been charged duties purchasing gear from out of country. Up until now the company I've purchased from has paid the tariffs/duties. So I was a bit gobsmacked to have a $40 duty laid on me. So now a $79 lens shade will be costing my $140.

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Dec 09, 2025 at 11:08 AM
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JohnKraus wrote:
I ordered a 39mm push on hood from Light Lens Lab in Canada the other day. The shipping was $43, and I just received notice that I had to pay $40 duties on it.
That means if you ordered the LLL 35mm Aspherical, you'll be charged $500 for import/tariff duties. Word to the wise.
This is the first time I've been charged duties purchasing gear from out of country. Up until now the company I've purchased from has paid the tariffs/duties. So I was a bit gobsmacked to have a $40 duty laid on me. So now a $60 lens
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It is going to be interesting what the final bill will be for all of us who order the titanium soon to come. I will feel less bad about 500 for the lens then I would in your position of more than double for a lens shade because of the shipping duties and carrier fee. I won a minty M4-2 on the recent leica auction it is on its way no duty assessment yet but I assume that too will be many hundreds. Maybe the titanium lens + the M4-2 will be a nice combo when both land, should look nice (I will use the lens on dig as well). My "contribution" to deficit reduction.




Dec 09, 2025 at 11:25 AM
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p.13 #14 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


Wait, those in the US who pre-ordered the LLL 35AA will be subject to tariffs? Can we reject the order and request refund if the bill is that ridiculous?


Dec 09, 2025 at 12:05 PM
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dumplinknet wrote:
Wait, those in the US who pre-ordered the LLL 35AA will be subject to tariffs? Can we reject the order and request refund if the bill is that ridiculous?


It may be complicated once the order has shipped. There are shipping costs and carrier fees that could be deducted from a possible refund. There is also worst case where the item is categorized "abandoned" and destroyed, at that point seller and buyer are at a loss. Best to get in touch with LLL now to get clarity.

Edit: Did a quick search where I believe the import code for photographic interchangeable lenses may be 9002.11.90.00
Normal tariff is roughly 2.5% and the new section 301 Add-on could range between 15%-25%. I am not an expert but the US gov decides what parts of the final product are applicable. Do your own research and always account for the worst case scenario.



Dec 09, 2025 at 12:24 PM
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p.13 #16 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


Companies can't just pass all tariffs to the consumer especially if the newer prices are accounting for tariffs. We'll see. I haven't seen any updates from LLL with the AA.


Dec 09, 2025 at 12:59 PM
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gordec wrote:
Companies can't just pass all tariffs to the consumer especially if the newer prices are accounting for tariffs. We'll see. I haven't seen any updates from LLL with the AA.


What are you on about here? AFAIK, LLL has no US legal entity nor representation (retailer): they exist as some company in China and, maybe, as some type of business in Canada, so that's who you're buying from. All LLL will do is declare to customs based on the category of item you bought and it's purchase price: LLL will not charge you $1600 for a lens and remit a portion of that to the US government, because they have no reason to; that's on you, the buyer.

And to be crystal clear: tariffs are a tax on US, imposed by the federal government. Who collects that tax on the government's behalf will change, depending on how you buy your items. Conventionally, the bill collector is the logistics company: FedEx, DHL, etc., and that's who you'd expect to get a bill from.

I think you're imagining this will work like Sony, Nikon, etc: wherein Nikon USA Inc. is importing product from Nikon Japan, and will have to pay an import tariff based on the value and type of goods, and in this scenario, Nikon will pass the cost on to you in an inflated MSRP - which you will also pay sales tax on top of.

Buying from LLL is no different than buying a jacket located in Italy off of eBay for $1000 and receiving a duty/brokerage bill from UPS for $300 several weeks later.




Dec 09, 2025 at 01:36 PM
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p.13 #18 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


Some more example photos from a south korean user on instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/DSBh4-VAYe_/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

https://www.instagram.com/p/DR0m-AQEsIn/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==



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p.13 #19 · Light Lens Lab Releases 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical "11873"


Deanw5000 wrote:
Some more example photos from a south korean user on instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/DSBh4-VAYe_/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

https://www.instagram.com/p/DR0m-AQEsIn/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==


Very cool, literally. Thanks for posting this.

From what was suspected in the discussion (link), the photographer who posted the samples showed that the LLL 35/1.4 AA leans toward cooler tones rather than warm ones, which is consistent with how other LLL lenses tend to render. Whether that matches the original AA is still up in the air, and the only real way to know is a same camera, side-by-side test.

Here is what Sazinzibb mentioned about its rendering:

1. Subtle cool tone
2. Strong contrast
3. Dense, tactile three dimensionality
4. Excellent detail reproduction



Dec 09, 2025 at 03:27 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Very cool, literally. Thanks for posting this.

From what was suspected in the discussion (link), the photographer who posted the samples showed that the LLL 35/1.4 AA leans toward cooler tones rather than warm ones, which is consistent with how other LLL lenses tend to render. Whether that matches the original AA is still up in the air, and the only real way to know is a same camera, side-by-side test.

Here is what Sazinzibb mentioned about its rendering:

1. Subtle cool tone
2. Strong contrast
3. Dense, tactile three dimensionality
4. Excellent detail reproduction


you may have already mentioned this before. Any thoughts how images from this LLL compare to images from the 35 SRR?



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