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The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...

  
 
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p.3 #1 · The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...


Let’s face it, deeply meaningful photography such as that depicting war zones, places of conflict and man’s intolerance and inhumanity towards others and the environment is on another level.

Frankly the street stuff on this and other fora masquerading as meaningful smacks of masturbation and pales into insignificance by comparison, including that of my own.



Oct 02, 2025 at 11:54 AM
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KLaban wrote:
Let’s face it, deeply meaningful photography such as that depicting war zones, places of conflict and man’s intolerance and inhumanity towards others and the environment is on another level.

Frankly the street stuff on this and other fora masquerading as meaningful smacks of masturbation and pales into insignificance by comparison, including that of my own.


I think that documenting life as it is during our time is just as valid and important as war and disaster. Many of my favorite photographers, and photographic work have nothing to do with war or other crisis. Often signifant works of this type are not recognized as meaningful untill some time has passed. But, it was in fact meaningful at the time it was shot.



Oct 02, 2025 at 12:19 PM
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p.3 #3 · The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...


airfrogusmc wrote:
I believe in any photograph there needs to be more there than the obvious. Something deeper. Here are some of my visual impressions on the subject.
https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/170572330.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/170572329.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/170274487.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/170572331.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/172771642.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/166490207.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/175210501.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/175814917.jpg

I do know there is no right or wrong way to do any of this. Finding your own voice is what is important in my opinion.

A few street portraits.
https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/166291337.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/175540193.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/172118498.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/166448492.jpg

https://pbase.com/airfrogusmc/image/175536294.jpg

Here's some of my thoughts on the subject. Leica did a piece on my work a few years back. Also an interview.
https://leica-camera.blog/2016/12/15/spontaneous-relationships/




Wonderful images here and in the Leica profile. Some pictures are worth 1,000 words. Most of yours are worth far more than that. The “connection “ between people and each other or people and their surroundings (or the lack of it, as in your swimming pool photo in the Leica piece) are spectacular.

To each his or her own, but to me your work is “street photography “ that I would stare at for hours in an exhibit. By contrast, a lot of what is offered up broadly as the genre lands in categories I would characterize as:
- a bunch of people walking down a street
- I totally missed focus on everything, but some people were in the shot doing something
- busty woman in a tube top
- person texting and oblivious
- hey, look, THIS building has a shadow
- …

Thank you for sharing your work!
Jim



Oct 02, 2025 at 12:42 PM
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p.3 #4 · The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...


1bwana1 wrote:
I think that documenting life as it is during our time is just as valid and important as war and disaster. Many of my favorite photographers, and photographic work have nothing to do with war or other crisis. Often signifant works of this type are not recognized as meaningful untill some time has passed. But, it was in fact meaningful at the time it was shot.


Most of my favourite photographer's, painter's and printmaker's works have nothing at all to do with war or other crises, however much of their work is meaningful.




Oct 02, 2025 at 12:48 PM
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p.3 #5 · The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...


Grenache wrote:
Wonderful images here and in the Leica profile. Some pictures are worth 1,000 words. Most of yours are worth far more than that. The “connection “ between people and each other or people and their surroundings (or the lack of it, as in your swimming pool photo in the Leica piece) are spectacular.

To each his or her own, but to me your work is “street photography “ that I would stare at for hours in an exhibit. By contrast, a lot of what is offered up broadly as the genre lands in categories I would characterize as:
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Thank you Jim.



Oct 02, 2025 at 01:15 PM
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Grenache wrote:
...a lot of what is offered up broadly as the genre [of street photography] lands in categories I would characterize as:
- a bunch of people walking down a street
- I totally missed focus on everything, but some people were in the shot doing something
- busty woman in a tube top
- person texting and oblivious
- hey, look, THIS building has a shadow...


Grenache - As I said in the original post, there is a lot of "meaningless street photography" posted on photography forums, but I have no idea which images you're categorizing in this way — and I was using the phrase in quotes as click-bait and was interested in a broader discussion of meaning in photography, not just in street photography. Moreover, as stated above, some of us feel that meaning comes out of the intent of the photographer, as does what the photographer expresses. Nevertheless, some posters have been beating street photography on the head, without stating anything specific.

Some years ago, David Alan Harvey in told me that street photography for its own sake is a genre that has seriously burned itself out. "Even a lot of street photography books by famous photographers 20 years ago would not get published today. Especially the ones that are just about a place. Some vintage books are classics and some are just old." After reading your rather random statement that I've quoted above, I posed a question in Google asking why street photography is a spent force — and got a rather full, reasoned AI response covering most of the relevant aspects, which you can read below.

The conclusion is reasonable that, Despite these critiques, street photography as a practice is not dead. Instead, the discourse has shi!ed toward what is meaningful and what holds a"istic merit. Some photographers are adapting by focusing on more cinematic or abstract compositions that obscure identity, while others are engaging more directly and ethically with their subjects. The debate encourages photographers to move beyond formulaic approaches and instead be more thoughful about their intent, vision, and the stories they choose to tell. However, in line with my own interest, I would not place such an emphasis on story-telling — in that I feel that street photography need not be limited do telling a story: it can also be used for a more poetic form of expression

Here are the results of the question posed on Google:
(You may need to magnify this a bit on your screen.)



Oct 02, 2025 at 04:37 PM
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p.3 #7 · The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...


As I posted a Paris series on p.2 #16 in color, here is a 14-mage series in B&W with images (mostly) from Paris. You can also see as a full-screen slideshow on flicker by clicking on the arrow icon of the top, right-hand of this page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/malland/8018519410/in/album-72177720329003888/

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Oct 02, 2025 at 05:31 PM
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Mitch Alland wrote:
Grenache - As I said in the original post, there is a lot of "meaningless street photography" posted on photography forums, but I have no idea which images you're categorizing in this way — and I was using the phrase in quotes as click-bait and was interested in a broader discussion of meaning in photography, not just in street photography. Moreover, as stated above, some of us feel that meaning comes out of the intent of the photographer, as does what the photographer expresses. Nevertheless, some posters have been beating street photography on the head, without stating anything specific.
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Fewer words.

More photos.

You have paragraphs of drivel in this thread, and I have no idea what you are even trying to say. The examples from the photographer you posted are a hedge podge of images, some of which are at best poorly executed. Some are decent.

Sigh




Oct 02, 2025 at 06:01 PM
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I thnik there is plenty of room on this forum for something a little deeper. I don't recall anyone posting that they were against folks taking and posting whatever and/or having fun or doing it just for pleasure. On a forum like this there is a lot of room to move around. Don't like whats being discussed or posted just move on to something that is more agreeable. I'ts a big forum. I am actually enjoying some of the comments. Do I agree with it all? No, but I don't agree with the Mrs all the time either. OPPPPS don't tell her I said that ha ha....


Oct 02, 2025 at 07:01 PM
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I would welcome a widening discussion here concerning meaningful photography.

That said, my problem is that my own contribution to and about my meaningful photography (meaningful to me) is so personal and revealing that I'm loathe to post it to and discuss it on an open forum such as this. Way too revealing of my current personal struggle between life and mortality.

I'd add that I admire some of the images posted here in the 'street' threads and will generally acknowledge my admiration in the form of a 'Like' (airfrogusmc your work often included).



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Thanks.

Photography, like any art form, can be a great therapy. Especially when the issues you might be going through show up in the work. I went through a rough split and divorce almot 30 years ago and a very personal project helped get me through it all. That work was not anything close to what would be considered street though. (I actually really dislike the term street photography BTW), though I use it all the time ha ha....

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Oct 03, 2025 at 07:59 AM
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airfrogusmc wrote:
...I actually really dislike the term street photography BTW, though I use it all the time ha ha....


Allen - Yes, though I doubt we could popularize another term to call it. Also, you may have noticed that I've been saying I'd rather be discussing "meaning in photography" than limiting it to meaning in street photography.

BTW, coming back to you post about Ralph Gibson and how to internalize influences into one's own photography. It made me remember that, among the photographers that I mentioned as influences, I found Gibson the most difficult one to imitate in terms of getting any satisfactory results. Then, as I was posting images to this thread, I thought the following two made me feel the Gibson reductionist influence the most:



London



Wiang Pa Pao



Oct 03, 2025 at 09:09 AM
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Mitch Alland wrote:
Allen - Yes, though I doubt we could popularize another term to call it. Also, you may have noticed that I've been saying I'd rather be discussing "meaning in photography" than limiting it to meaning in street photography.

BTW, coming back to you post about Ralph Gibson and how to internalize influences into one's own photography. It made me remember that, among the photographers that I mentioned as influences, I found Gibson the most difficult one to imitate in terms of getting any satisfactory results. Then, as I was posting images to this thread, I thought the following two made
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So what meaning exactly are we supposed to extract from the photos posted so far in this thread?

"Meaningful" is something very subjective to the person seeing the photo. As such, for the photographer making the photo, all they are doing is getting something meaningful to them and hoping enough will find meaning in it.

I mean...I don't really find much meaning in the lamp or the generic landscape. The lamp leaves me totally indifferent and the landscape is a bit meh. Personally, I find a landscape photo either something that elicits a "wow I have to get there" response or "wow I remember being there and doing xyz". Maybe if it was a colour photo the green long grass would elicit some "I wish I was there to look at the green and smell the fresh air". Or something like that.

What is the meaning of all this?



Oct 03, 2025 at 09:29 AM
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p.3 #14 · The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...


Mitch Alland wrote:
Allen - Yes, though I doubt we could popularize another term to call it. Also, you may have noticed that I've been saying I'd rather be discussing "meaning in photography" than limiting it to meaning in street photography.

BTW, coming back to you post about Ralph Gibson and how to internalize influences into one's own photography. It made me remember that, among the photographers that I mentioned as influences, I found Gibson the most difficult one to imitate in terms of getting any satisfactory results. Then, as I was posting images to this thread, I thought the following two made
...Show more

Call me simple-minded but all I see are two photo's that appear badly exposed. Obviously people like different things but I wouldn't even share these if they were my work. Of course I don't get a lot of "art".



Oct 03, 2025 at 09:35 AM
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This quote by Ansel Adams I think gets to what we are discussing. "Let us hope that categories will be less ridgid in the future; there has been to much of placing photography in little niches-commercial, pictorial, documentary, and creative (a dismal term). Definitions of this kind are inesential and stupid; good photography reamains good photography no matter what we name it."-Ansel Adams

Adams would be amazed at how things are today ha ha.

Here are a few of mine that are kinda Gibson like.











Oct 03, 2025 at 09:35 AM
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Funny enough, "the lamp" is the picture I like the most from the Paris/London series. It is the picture "type" that I look for in my photography. Another one that I also like is the "shaving brushes and mirrors" through the window of that barber shop. I do resonate with these. And yes, I do like Mr. Gibson's photography a lot, but I can really tell why, and I think his photograpy is quite difficult to digest.


Oct 03, 2025 at 09:39 AM
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Here is a series from Thailand, which has a higher proportion of street photography than the previous series I've posted because I decided to select primarily images with the greatest immediacy. You can see the whole 34-image series as a full-screen slideshow on flickr by clicking on the arrow icon of the top, right-hand of this page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/malland/albums/72177720329460919/


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Oct 03, 2025 at 09:40 PM
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p.3 #18 · The opposite of "meaningless street photography"...


I find the lenses with the MOST 3D POP and use them to take happy snaps of my family at meals and on vacation.

I then share my photos with a highly curated set of immediate family and friends. And I find the photos and memories very meaningful. And I could care less if internet strangers think my photos are meaningful.

Anybody have a hot tip about lenses with more 3D POP?



Oct 03, 2025 at 11:42 PM
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^ Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor, particularly when it's inane.


Oct 04, 2025 at 05:30 AM
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Mitch Alland wrote:
^ Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor, particularly when it's inane.


Interloping for the sake of interloping ...a different form of producing meaningless works.



So, here again, the value of the meaningfulness exists in the position of the one making the assessment, predicated on self-defined criteria. At least one person (creator) likely finds the interruption meaningful, since it was overtly conducted with intent and purpose, to a given agenda (of interruption). The number of those that agree vs. dissent to its meaningfulness will range ... but, as the scale tips in one direction or the other, the overall assessment is rendered, at large.


What this ^ prompts me to consider wrt to our craft is this: Whereas we may think our works meaningful in a given time (i.e. when taken, or shortly thereafter) ... to what extent do we look back on our own work, and at a later time assess it differently. Meaning, that when I look back at some of my previous work ... I self-assess it as meaningless, whereas I previously thought differently of it.

And, then in that ^ ... did the now assessed work as meaningless, provide the path for growth to more meaningful work. Thus, the meaningless work, was more meaningful when assed as a stepping stone (for self, or others), moreover than as a final destination. So, yes ... at the end of the day, the subjective assessment is predicated upon a relative position that one establishes for the criteria of meaningful (ness).


In that regard, did those whom we suggest produced meaningful work ... was it their call to an issue, or was it their development of a different utilization or approach. Maybe it was the increase in popularity, a call to advance the craft. Maybe it was presenting an alternative method. But, while there are a variety of different criteria that one can establish (recording of history, etc.) for the assessment of meaningful ... I think the unifying aspect of it, is whether the value is retained into the future ... from which the future audience(s) will glean something worthwhile from it.

That said, there will certainly be folks who will stand on both sides of the aisle, regarding meaningfulness, and its associated subjective perspectives. As to the meaningfulness of interloping ... ... (imo) not, so much.





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