p.1 #1 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
Rather than posting in the long thread on this camera or in the "April Fools" thread, I thought I open a thread that looks at the positive side of this new release. In fact, from what I see, Sony has made all the right decisions. The most important one: Keep the size and avoid whatever makes it bigger. Secondly: Keep that amazing lens that is on par with the Voigtländer 35f2 and better than the lens that comes with the Q2.
The whole package was always meant to be the smallest FF camera with the best optics. That it was, and still is.
No IBIS? So what? I own the RX1RMkII and never missed it. The LCD? I don't use it anyway. The EVF? Mine on the previous model is more than sufficient, and so is the EVF on the a7cR.
Sony has even aligned the control layout on the back with its other cameras - great improvement in terms of usability with thumb and pointer finger.
The price? To be expected. Fuji just (re-)launched the X-E5 at double the price.
It is wonderful that Sony continues this model which offers unique uses not only as an "always with me" camera, but also as one that doesn't attract attention as much as a bigger rig. In fact, the only other camera that can do this is the X-E3 with the small Fujicrons.
Will I buy one? Well, not now. For as long as my RX1RMkII works, it is all I need. And when it finally breaks down, I might catch an RX1RMkIII used at a better price.
p.1 #2 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
The case of RX1R III is a simple one. It has no alternatives/competition and, therefore, doesn't need to be universally appealing to the majority of photographers to be successful. It carves out its own niche and dominates it, similar to how Leica M rangefinders do. There just aren't any other cameras on the market that offer FF 60MP sensor paired to 35mm f/2 lens in this compact form factor. And if this form factor isn't appealing, just move on - this camera is not for you. That's by design.
Also, people who post statements like "objectively overpriced" really need to get back to school and learn the meaning of these words. They will be surprised to realize that they can't be used together.
P.S. Personally, I would have loved to see an optical finder in such a body. If the autofocus implementation is as reliable as in A7RV or A1 Mk2, I think having a simple optical finder with a fixed indicator of the central AF focus point and a switch between two focus areas (center vs whole frame with subject detection) should make for a fluid shooting experience.
p.1 #4 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
Nifty Fifty wrote:
Three parallel threads for a camera everyone's talking about but hardly anyone will buy. Nonsense.
First off: I do think people will buy the camera - just like they buy a GFX100RF or a Q3. And secondly: I didn't know that the internet is running out of space (or that this forum is) :-)
p.1 #6 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
Of course, there's plenty of space, but this way, anyone interested can jump back and forth between three threads, which is annoying. Besides, it's only a matter of time before every missionary posts their beliefs in every thread. I maintain that it's stupid.
p.1 #7 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
Nifty Fifty wrote:
Of course, there's plenty of space, but this way, anyone interested can jump back and forth between three threads, which is annoying. Besides, it's only a matter of time before every missionary posts their beliefs in every thread. I maintain that it's stupid.
p.1 #8 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
The two key upgrades that got me interested is the new AF system and the update of the sensor. Together these features move the needle to being a one camera/lens solution for travel. My only wish is that the lens was a 28 or 24…but that’s just my use case where I typically shoot from about 24 to 80.
p.1 #9 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
chez wrote:
The two key upgrades that got me interested is the new AF system and the update of the sensor. Together these features move the needle to being a one camera/lens solution for travel. My only wish is that the lens was a 28 or 24…but that’s just my use case where I typically shoot from about 24 to 80.
I'm with you on the 24/28, it was a limiting factor for me when I had the RX1RII for travel, then again that's probably too wide for those needing to get more reach out to beyond 50mm, even with cropping, so 35mm was the common FL.
Honestly it's a cool enough little camera I wish my use case better fit it!
p.1 #10 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
gocolts wrote:
I'm with you on the 24/28, it was a limiting factor for me when I had the RX1RII for travel, then again that's probably too wide for those needing to get more reach out to beyond 50mm, even with cropping, so 35mm was the common FL.
Honestly it's a cool enough little camera I wish my use case better fit it!
it doesn't work in every situation, but a multi-image stitch covers a lot of my wider angle needs with rx1.
p.1 #11 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
I actually wish my RX1R ii had a "crop" mode like other Sony FF cameras. Yes, the camera lens is FF, however, with 42mp, a little more reach (even at lower resolution) can be handy. I like the fact the new one has three different crops you acn go into.
p.1 #12 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
old-gregg wrote:
P.S. Personally, I would have loved to see an optical finder in such a body. If the autofocus implementation is as reliable as in A7RV or A1 Mk2, I think having a simple optical finder with a fixed indicator of the central AF focus point and a switch between two focus areas (center vs whole frame with subject detection) should make for a fluid shooting experience.
They made one for the first model. It was a shoe mount, and I'm not sure it will fit in the new shoe, but it's probably worth a look.
p.1 #13 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
Nielk Mike wrote:
Rather than posting in the long thread on this camera or in the "April Fools" thread, I thought I open a thread that looks at the positive side of this new release. In fact, from what I see, Sony has made all the right decisions. The most important one: Keep the size and avoid whatever makes it bigger. Secondly: Keep that amazing lens that is on par with the Voigtländer 35f2 and better than the lens that comes with the Q2.
The whole package was always meant to be the smallest FF camera with the best optics. That it was, and still is.
No IBIS? So what? I own the RX1RMkII and never missed it. The LCD? I don't use it anyway. The EVF? Mine on the previous model is more than sufficient, and so is the EVF on the a7cR.
Sony has even aligned the control layout on the back with its other cameras - great improvement in terms of usability with thumb and pointer finger.
The price? To be expected. Fuji just (re-)launched the X-E5 at double the price.
It is wonderful that Sony continues this model which offers unique uses not only as an "always with me" camera, but also as one that doesn't attract attention as much as a bigger rig. In fact, the only other camera that can do this is the X-E3 with the small Fujicrons.
Will I buy one? Well, not now. For as long as my RX1RMkII works, it is all I need. And when it finally breaks down, I might catch an RX1RMkIII used at a better price. ...Show more →
How do you know that the RX1RMkIII lens is better than the one that comes with the Q2? In what way is it better?
p.1 #14 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
That is an interesting point. I find the biggest downfall of this is the lack of a flip screen. I like to use one. However, it is only usable in landscape orientation. So for a good number of shots I still had no flip screen (unlike my aA1ii). What I’m really hoping for is that the AF gets better (not difficult some will say) particularly in suboptimal lighting conditions. I can’t count the number of times my RX1rii focus will refuse to get green and thus make me loose an opportunity or delay things. Gaining a touch screen will also mitigate the lack of a joystick.
Clearly not the same thing, but when comparing accuracy and speed of acquisition in test scenarios yesterday between my 2 cameras, the difference was abysmal.
I’ve decided to pull the trigger and pre order. I’ve will also gain an extra 5-10 years out of my RX1. ;-)
Funny thing is that unlike most, the battery life didn’t bother me at all. I just carried a few extra spares. It even allowed for optimizing my travel kit as it is the same battery I use with my RX100vii. This is the perfect travel for me. 😄
old-gregg wrote:
The case of RX1R III is a simple one. It has no alternatives/competition and, therefore, doesn't need to be universally appealing to the majority of photographers to be successful. It carves out its own niche and dominates it, similar to how Leica M rangefinders do. There just aren't any other cameras on the market that offer FF 60MP sensor paired to 35mm f/2 lens in this compact form factor. And if this form factor isn't appealing, just move on - this camera is not for you. That's by design.
Also, people who post statements like "objectively overpriced" really need to get back to school and learn the meaning of these words. They will be surprised to realize that they can't be used together.
P.S. Personally, I would have loved to see an optical finder in such a body. If the autofocus implementation is as reliable as in A7RV or A1 Mk2, I think having a simple optical finder with a fixed indicator of the central AF focus point and a switch between two focus areas (center vs whole frame with subject detection) should make for a fluid shooting experience....Show more →
p.1 #15 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
NJPhotographer wrote:
How do you know that the RX1RMkIII lens is better than the one that comes with the Q2? In what way is it better?
Cause I have compared both, the Q2 and the Voigtländer 35mm against it. The Q2 is softer towards the outer filed unless stopped down to f4. It does handle much better in MF, though. The Voigtländer and the RX1R MKII lens are at the same level.
p.1 #18 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
Nielk Mike wrote:
Cause I have compared both, the Q2 and the Voigtländer 35mm against it. The Q2 is softer towards the outer filed unless stopped down to f4. It does handle much better in MF, though. The Voigtländer and the RX1R MKII lens are at the same level.
I appreciate your reply. I would have expected the RXR1iii lens to do better in this reviewer's edge of frame comparison (RXR1iii vs. 35mm GM both at f/2): ?t=228
The RXR1iii looks a bit blurry in that comparison. I wish he had compared to the Q2/Q3 as well.
p.1 #19 · Sony RX1R MkIII: A beautiful camera with a second to none lens
NJPhotographer wrote:
I appreciate your reply. I would have expected the RXR1iii lens to do better in this reviewer's edge of frame comparison (RXR1iii vs. 35mm GM both at f/2): ?t=228
The RXR1iii looks a bit blurry in that comparison. I wish he had compared to the Q2/Q3 as well.
Look through the RX1r image thread. Many of the images in it were shot wide open. Can you notice any edge softness?
