p.20 #1 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
chez wrote:
Do you have some comparison images to post?
I wonder if we download the RAW files from the DPreview Studio Comparison Tool for all 3 cameras, whether we'd be able to see those differences. I wouldn't be surprised to see some differences between the a7R V and a7R IV, but I would expect the a7CR to look close to the V than the IV.
I imagine even he showed processed files in a comparison, the next question would be whether something was handled differently (knowingly/unknowingly).
There was a recent discussion how Adobe appears to have screwed up some of the a1 II color profiles.
p.20 #2 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
ATPphoto wrote:
I have most of them, including Dx0. I prefer LR to streamline everything and keep it simple.
I don't see much difference in RAW converters, but I see more differences in the two sensors.
Is it Bokah or colors your worried about. I have several Sony bodies and a Canon and now a Fuji and for color consistency I have adopted the use of Cobalt Imaging’s software that allows me to use a consistent set of colors out of all my different cameras. Haven’t tried the Fuji yet but Sony, Canon, and Nikon have responded favorably. The big negative is you have to buy the base converter for each type of camera and potentially for even different sensors. You can look there if you want to try it out.
p.20 #8 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
ATPphoto wrote:
I have most of them, including Dx0. I prefer LR to streamline everything and keep it simple.
I don't see much difference in RAW converters, but I see more differences in the two sensors.
Well, our experiences totally diverge here. I am a long time C1 and ACR user who switched to DXO when Phase One mucked with its purchase/license model. I see a huge difference - enough that I have gone back and re-edited photos originally processed in C1 with DXO. I find the A7CR color rendering in DXO to be great. We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether there are differences in the output from different RAW processors and also on the whether the A7CR is capable of producing images with pleasing/accurate colors.
I tried the RX1R and RX1RII years ago - one thing I remember was based on where they placed the lens, there wasn't much room to grip the camera by because the lens took up so much space. It doesn't seem to have changed on the newer version so once you add grips, half cases etc... the size advantage of the camera body goes away unless you have smaller hands.
p.20 #10 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
I do wish the grip side of the RX1 extended out a little farther, and have tried accessory grips at times. I keep coming back to just the plain body, and can relatively comfortably hold it on its own, as I’ve done many times.
I do like that the new one seems to have a sliiiiightly more pronounced grip, which is good.
I’ve long wanted to GR style grip on the RX1 - that would be perfect to me.
tzhang4284 wrote:
I tried the RX1R and RX1RII years ago - one thing I remember was based on where they placed the lens, there wasn't much room to grip the camera by because the lens took up so much space. It doesn't seem to have changed on the newer version so once you add grips, half cases etc... the size advantage of the camera body goes away unless you have smaller hands.
p.20 #11 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
weezintrumpete wrote:
I’ve long wanted to GR style grip on the RX1 - that would be perfect to me.
GR Style grip would have been wonderful. It might have allowed the use of the NP-FZ100 battery as well. It looks like Sony was dead focused on keeping the weight below 500g.
p.20 #12 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Reading the dpreview comparison (link posted elsewhere), I saw why there is no IBIS:
"The RX1R III uses the same Zeiss-branded lens as the 2012 version and, in the name of size, illuminates the sensor and very little beyond it: it would need to project a larger image circle to allow sensor-shift IS (making both the lens and body bigger), or would need a complete redesign to have optical stabilization incorporated into the lens itself."
p.20 #13 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Wow, no wonder the tiny BX1 batteries didn't last long. That much heft to move for a tiny battery. Hopefully the FW50 battery lasts much longer to make it worthwhile.
p.20 #15 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
LBJ2 wrote:
When first announced, I thought of you and for sure this would be your next camera.
Thanks, LBJ2. I thought so too. As soon as I saw the title of the announcement thread, I went to B&H and pre-ordered, and then I went to read about the camera. If it had either a stacked sensor or IBIS, I would end up owning one. If it had both, I would be tempted to own two. Also, But I am sort of unconvinced. I even wish it were a bit larger!
Instead, I am finding the A7CR to be a small, very handy camera that is also powerful, and I use to with many lenses but especially with the small & light Sigma 45/2.8, which as you know has superb rendering, As my hours spent with it increase, I am also finding it very fluid in use---there is a lot of sophistication to the interface, with a lot of options. But with time all of that is becoming quite transparent. And now I just like the camera and enjoy using it.
The RX1 might have been perfect for me, but it needed to be a touch larger and at least have IBIS, which is very helpful to me in the light I like to shoot in.
p.20 #16 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
ATPphoto wrote:
I would be hard-pressed to say they're the same, having owned both.
Someone who knows sensor types better will hopefully confirm, but based on my results, the colors produced by these two cameras are very different.
The colors on the A7CR were not at all to my liking and I saw a very noticeable difference in color rendering when I bought the A7R5.
I found the A7RV to give richer tones, better hues and more accurate colors than the A7CR, which always looked watered-down to me.
I only shoot RAW, so I had more work to do in post with A7CR files, and often I could not get the colors to look the way I wanted....Show more →
The A7RV and the A7CR do have the same sensor. Do you usually use different lenses on each body? Or use them in different situations? That might account for your color differences.
p.20 #17 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
So Sony does a surprise release of camera that is basically 9 -10 year old recycled parts. Nothing new or exciting except an AI processor. No stabilization. 4k30. C'mon. Want a lens hood for it an extra 200.00. Want the Sony case for it another 200.00. 5100.00! Are they crazy! I imagine some will fork it over. Not I. Just my opinion.
p.20 #19 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
sebboh wrote:
i love IBIS, but I find it not terribly helpful in forests where the wind moves the branches too much for slower exposures. cityscapes and people are where it really pays off for me.
p.20 #20 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
I can confirm that sensor cleaning if you do not go the KEH way, is expensive. I got my RX1RII done in Canada and it was $1239 to do….
KEH doesn’t accept work from outside if the US.
Choderboy wrote:
I did some investigation into sensor dust problems on RX1s recently.
Some were quoted big prices for repair.
Someone got it done at KEH for surprisingly low price.
Information I found was via Googling which led to several FM threads.
It definitely can be fixed. Unless the KEH post was BS, it can also be done cheaply.
A potential buyer could do the same check I did and follow up to confirm.
