p.6 #1 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
Jazzgear296 wrote:
Ditto. Since I purchased my 2 A1II’s I’ve barely used the A7RV so I don’t expect to upgrade it. I’ve only kept it for those rare instances where I prioritize squeezing out the utmost image quality and amount of pixels for possible post processing crop without artificially increasing resolution in apps.
Funny, I just sold my A7RV today, just rocking with two A1II now, and an IR Canon R5. It's hard for me to imagine the A7RVI would have a stacked sensor and can shoot 30 FPS.
Someone above mentioned Sony should give the A1II a FW update to enable 40 FPS, is it even possible?
p.6 #2 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
Douglas L wrote:
Funny, I just sold my A7RV today, just rocking with two A1II now, and an IR Canon R5. It's hard for me to imagine the A7RVI would have a stacked sensor and can shoot 30 FPS.
Someone above mentioned Sony should give the A1II a FW update to enable 40 FPS, is it even possible?
Sony already has two powerhouse fps cameras, it surely does not need another. Focus the A7rvi as the high resolution high dynamic range camera the A7r line started out as.
p.6 #3 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
Personally I don't want any of the suggested features/improvements and the rumors look boring as hell. Every single spec of the A7RV is already more than I need, more than most people need. Bumping everything by +20% doesn't help when everything is already past 100%. The only spec I want improved is the battery life.
I'm willing to open my wallet for is something new. Something radical. The modern MILCs inherited too much from a 35mm film SLR. Why are they shaped to accomodate a horizontal film transport mechanism? Why is there a faux mirror box? Why is an EVF in the middle? In that vein:
- New body+ergonomics from scratch.
- Square sensor. 3:2 is utter idiocy in the digital age.
- Dramatic simplification. Rethinking-from-scratch all of the UI.
- Pixel-level digital shutter with unlocked computational photography features like digital filters.
- Smart manual focus assist. The focus-tirggers-shutter feature.
- Expanding use cases for IBIS (beyond stabilization) and subject recognition (beyond focus).
- Deep integration with the user's platform. Native AirDrop, FaceID locking, WiFi sharing, encryption.
p.6 #4 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
chez wrote:
Sony already has two powerhouse fps cameras, it surely does not need another. Focus the A7rvi as the high resolution high dynamic range camera the A7r line started out as.
That sounds about right but the more I think of it, I wouldn't rule that out completely, after all, Sony's new A7V can shoot up to 30 FPS too.
p.6 #5 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
chez wrote:
Sony already has two powerhouse fps cameras, it surely does not need another. Focus the A7rvi as the high resolution high dynamic range camera the A7r line started out as.
Some of the old compromises are not going to be needed in the future. Just like more pixels doesn't mean an unacceptable noisy image today, DR doesn't have to be terrible with a faster read speed. Technology will continue to improve and the a7rIV/a7rV sensor is 6+ years old now. Even if it is only down to 20-30ms, that is better than 100ms. It's not crazy to expect 20FPS ES and maybe a 10FPS MS with a bit better DR.
p.6 #6 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
old-gregg wrote:
Personally I don't want any of the suggested features/improvements and the rumors look boring as hell. Every single spec of the A7RV is already more than I need, more than most people need. Bumping everything by +20% doesn't help when everything is already past 100%. The only spec I want improved is the battery life.
I'm willing to open my wallet for is something new. Something radical. The modern MILCs inherited too much from a 35mm film SLR. Why are they shaped to accomodate a horizontal film transport mechanism? Why is there a faux mirror box? Why is an EVF in the middle? In that vein:
- New body+ergonomics from scratch.
- Square sensor. 3:2 is utter idiocy in the digital age.
- Dramatic simplification. Rethinking-from-scratch all of the UI.
- Pixel-level digital shutter with unlocked computational photography features like digital filters.
- Smart manual focus assist. The focus-tirggers-shutter feature.
- Expanding use cases for IBIS (beyond stabilization) and subject recognition (beyond focus).
- Deep integration with the user's platform. Native AirDrop, FaceID locking, WiFi sharing, encryption. ...Show more →
I would not expect an a7rVI to be radically different from the predecessors. That's not aligned with the a7r series market.
They would lose far more market with a square sensor than the 3:2. If they need something radical it makes more sense in the lower cost cameras.
As far as battery life, you can use the grip now. There are many risk issues with newer types of batteries and camera companies are conservative with safety of higher density cells and cathodes with more silicates. Cellphones are pushing that more as it is a huge market and they have to used the pouched cells anyways. I don't see cameras deviating from INR cells in the near future. Having a faster sensor read and being able to use ES in more situations obviously improves battery life since the camera is not moving that shutter.
p.6 #7 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
BigBabyMoses06 wrote:
I like my A1 mk1 files more than my A7RV files, by a fair margin. The cropping power is significant, but I still like the less pronounced/tighter noise that comes from the A1. Unless the A7R6 changes that characteristic, I'll opt for an A1 unless I needed a camera that still offers a fully mechanical shutter.
Yeah I missed that in my comment as to why I’ve kept the A7RV, and it’s the full mechanical shutter for when I am using F2 and Wider lenses in bright outdoors….and don’t want EFCS messing with my bokeh
p.6 #8 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
Jazzgear296 wrote:
Yeah I missed that in my comment as to why I’ve kept the A7RV, and it’s the full mechanical shutter for when I am using F2 and Wider lenses in bright outdoors….and don’t want EFCS messing with my bokeh
I've been using mine with 100% E shutter, no EFCS. So nice.
p.6 #9 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
The list of specifications in the unconfirmed part of the rumors seems too good to be true or realistic. I would love an a7RVI with a fully stacked (not partially stacked) sensor of 67 mpix plus a new more lovable and smaller body style (I know smaller is not in the speculative specs), with an 8.5 stop IBIS and 16 dynamic range with the mechanical shutter. I think Sony could do all of this, but they won't. But I do wonder if they might go for a fully stacked sensor. But that would undermine the A1 II. I do think that Sony's body style and ergonomic feel is overdue for a re-think and an upgrade.
If they did, or if they made a very fast readout partially stacked sensor (meaningfully faster than the A7V sensor so that LED lights and subject movements became less of a problem with electronic shutter), then the price would probably hit $5k or very close to it.
p.6 #12 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
Ross Martin wrote:
My guess only - the A7V points the way to part of what will improve in the A7RVI, namely a faster partially stacked sensor (but will not dethrone the speedy fully stacked sensor of A1II), and the similar Dual Conversion Gain High Dynamic Range. I think we will also see the newer body style of A1II/A9III which provides more space between fingers and lens and has the top left control cluster, and IBIS increasing by .5 stops. Same resolution EVF, but perhaps brighter or other visual improvement. Small resolution bump to 67mp apparently (previous rumors suggested 80mp but this was likely not in a partially stacked sensor). Likely some improved video specs for those who need that but not something I personally follow.
IMO the value proposition might not be there for some - I think we’ll see at least $4k announcement price, maybe as much as $4.5k, while brand new/warrantied A7RV’s are $2850 via our b&s board. I would like the new body style for improved ergos, but preordering will be painful to my wallet.
A75’s new DCG DR compared to the two cameras I currently shoot:
p.6 #14 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
The A7R V is still the king of megapixels amongst the big 3. The only competition is Medium Format. At the same time, APS-C cameras with 40Mp did appear, by this pixel density, a FF camera boasting 90-100MP is not impossible. And this is what the R series is all about: the best Image Definition. And all the recent G and GM lenses are up to the task IMHO.
So I don't expect a small jump to 67Mpix, but rather to 100Mpix. Sony can still improve the fps, maybe to 12 or 15fps would be OK. Even 10fps would probably still be OK for the purpose of the camera. With this, Sony has the market cornered:
- High Res: the R series
- High Res High Speed balance: A1 series
- Pure high speed: A9 series
- Good all around: a7 series
- Compact: a7c series
p.6 #15 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
Manu-K1 wrote:
So I don't expect a small jump to 67Mpix, but rather to 100Mpix. Sony can still improve the fps, maybe to 12 or 15fps would be OK. Even 10fps would probably still be OK for the purpose of the camera.
I would tend to agree. A 67MP 30 fps camera is going to be too expensive for what it should be. I'd rather have a 75-80MP 15fps camera at a lower price point. Good specs, competitive pricing and uncropped video is what people would want I would think.
30 fps is just not what the R line is or should be. It's not an A9 or A1 and it doesn't need to be. If this 67MP monster is the fabled A9R that's a different matter, but that doesn't seem likely.
p.6 #16 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
old-gregg wrote:
Personally I don't want any of the suggested features/improvements and the rumors look boring as hell. Every single spec of the A7RV is already more than I need, more than most people need. Bumping everything by +20% doesn't help when everything is already past 100%. The only spec I want improved is the battery life.
I think one misconception is that each new version of a product should be such an improvement over the previous version that it renders the two-year-old product immediately obsolete.
The reality is that it rarely makes sense to upgrade for each new iteration — maybe every two or three intervals?
In quite a few cases the improvements are real, but are more about incrementally continuing to move the product forward. New buyers or those with a camera from a few generations back are the target market, not owners of the current version, for whom the improvements are (almost) always relatively small and unlikely to be worth the cost.
p.6 #17 · What is your wish list for the Sony A7RVI
gdanmitchell wrote:
I think one misconception is that each new version of a product should be such an improvement over the previous version that it renders the two-year-old product immediately obsolete.
The reality is that it rarely makes sense to upgrade for each new iteration — maybe every two or three intervals?
In quite a few cases the improvements are real, but are more about incrementally continuing to move the product forward. New buyers or those with a camera from a few generations back are the target market, not owners of the current version, for whom the improvements are (almost) always relatively small and unlikely to be worth the cost....Show more →
What do you think the A7RVI likely to offer to owners of the A1 II? I think that question may be a factor in Sony's design for the new camera. Is it possible for them to both make the A7RVI desirable for A1 II owners but not to have the A7RVI undermine sales of the A1 II? Or, as I think they will, would they just try to keep the A1 II and the A7RVI in different user universes by not giving the A7RVI a fully stacked senor?
They could build a monster camera if they:
--went to 67 mpix
--went to a fully stacked sensor
--had 8.5 stops of IBIS
--had 16 stops of dynamic range with the mechanical shutter
--improved the body style (smoother, slightly smaller) to make the handling and ergo more lovable and human
--tweaks to AF
--30 FPS
That would be a camera that would be top of class, which is where Sony is aiming these days--just look at the lenses they have been introducing. But they would have to charge a lot of money for it--maybe $6k. I am not sure why anyone would then buy an A1 II, except, if they dropped the A1 II's price, for a lower priced body that still did all the amazing stuff the A1 and A1 II can do.
So my guess is no fully stacked sensor on the A7RVI. And the above speced monster camera might be the A1 III in a couple of years. Which I would buy, if it were small enough.
