old-gregg wrote:
This myth really needs to die. Sony makes the sensor. Adobe makes the DCP profile for it. Those two components define the colors you see. Leica has absolutely nothing to do with the colors. In fact, it says right there in the top right corner in Lightroom: "Adobe color".
Leica once explained the importance of the bayer filter and how they were using more expensive but better ones. And at the time, it had an impact.
And BTW, some of use do not use Lightroom nor the DCP profile. Some even may use jpeg and they are not defined by Sony nor Adobe.
I'm sometimes surprised how many of these threads end up focusing on traits of the *output* (like color) instead of the *process* of getting there (ergonomics, user interface, etc).
If the output is what we predominantly care about, there should be a lot more threads about different RAW conversion softwares and white balance settings (for the AI affines in this thread: I can recommend chatting about actual color of light vs visually pleasing white balance settings for things like sunset, blue hour etc ). These things have so much more impact on those traits of the output than the camera used. Esp. since image quality has plateaued hard for almost 10 years now.
Imo if we focused more on the process we'd get much better cameras. Things like differences in the optics of an EVF even if they use the same panel. Or little things like that switch the OM-3 has near your thumb, allowing to instantly switch between two customized AF modes.
It's most apparent for me with Sony cameras: they're objectively often the most competent camera in their bracket (now more challenged by Canon and Nikon vs a few years ago). But I just do not enjoy using them, and since this isn't my job but something I do for fun, why would I grab the camera that is less fun?
I'm sometimes contemplating getting a Panasonic S1R or the Leica SL2 for some of their features. The Panasonic is significantly cheaper but I'd still be tempted to get the Leica instead because of how clean their user interface is (in this case I do like the layout of the S1R too though, so not as clear of a preference as with Leica / Nikon vs Sony)
I don’t understand how my personal opinion can be a myth?
old-gregg wrote:
This myth really needs to die. Sony makes the sensor. Adobe makes the DCP profile for it. Those two components define the colors you see. Leica has absolutely nothing to do with the colors. In fact, it says right there in the top right corner in Lightroom: "Adobe color".
joakim wrote:
I don’t understand how my personal opinion can be a myth?
His words were maybe a bit harsh, but you voiced an opinion on something that can by fact-checked and the facts don’t support your opinion. And since you’re not alone in having this opinion, one could argue it’s a widespread myth 😉
But imo this whole argument about color belongs in a separate thread
If he likes the colors and that's a reason for him to use the SL system, then this thread is absolutely the right place. In combination with Leica glass, it's very possible.
But a more in-depth discussion about colors should really be left out. This is a thread about things people like about the SL system.
old-gregg wrote:
If you're in Lightroom, you're getting Adobe Color for all brands.
By default, yes. However, with Leica, you can simply use the color profile embedded in the DNG, which is indeed Leica's (and not Adobe's, or Sony's) color science. Likewise, you can pick camera-matching profiles for other cameras (though these are Adobe's recreations of those in-camera profiles). Both points apply to Lightroom of course. It seems to me that you believe Adobe Color is the only profile available in Lightroom - you'll be pleasantly surprised if you open the profile browser.
I've shot everything from Canon to sony to Nikon....as a professional for over 20 years I recently purchased my first Leica (Q2) then found a killer deal on the SL2 and 24-70.
and the one thing I can say is they are absolutely a joy to shoot with.
Do they have as many features as other brands? no...but man I enjoy the process of shooting with it. The only brand I kept after purchasing this SL2 is Fuji (they are fun as well) and even then I'm paring those lenses down.
As far as image quality, it's all the same when it comes to my clients. They can't tell APSC from Full Fram or sony image quality from Leica's. So I chose the system that I enjoy shooting with the most
Mark Rigsby wrote:
I've shot everything from Canon to sony to Nikon....as a professional for over 20 years I recently purchased my first Leica (Q2) then found a killer deal on the SL2 and 24-70.
and the one thing I can say is they are absolutely a joy to shoot with.
Do they have as many features as other brands? no...but man I enjoy the process of shooting with it. The only brand I kept after purchasing this SL2 is Fuji (they are fun as well) and even then I'm paring those lenses down.
As far as image quality, it's all the same when it comes to my clients. They can't tell APSC from Full Fram or sony image quality from Leica's. So I chose the system that I enjoy shooting with the most...Show more →
Don't try the APO-SL lenses. The image quality and shooting experience are amazing. It will cost you.
freaklikeme wrote:
You went from voice of doom to enabler in the space of two posts.
Of course I did. I have deep personal experience with this dynamic when it comes to aquiring gear. Those APO-SL lenses are the prime (pun intended) reason I own an SL3 camera.
That image in post p3#11 showing the 24-90 lens hood is so ugly. I have the lens and have never used that hood. Instead I use either a rubber hood or a small aluminum hood-neither create vignetting.
stgrove wrote:
That image in post p3#11 showing the 24-90 lens hood is so ugly. I have the lens and have never used that hood. Instead I use either a rubber hood or a small aluminum hood-neither create vignetting.
Sorry just MPOV.
Some of the APO-SL lenses come with a similar hood to the one on the 24-90. Others come with a much more tailored and attractive round hood. I also don't like the awkward size, shape, and looks of the 24-90 style hood. However, on the 28mm and wider lenses the larger hood is required to avoid vignetting. I think that is also true for the wide end of the 24-90 zoom lens. The good news is that since all three of my SL-APO lenses are identical in size and threads, I can just carry the one hood when I go out shooting. This mitigates the disadvantages of the awkward hood to a reasonable extent, and helps keep the overall kit size down when traveling.
I get that same convenience with my filter set. One set of 67mm filters fits all my SL-lenses, both APO primes and two zoom lenses. This setup is in the end reasonably small to take out shooting. I can cover from 21mm to 560mm with my kit.
). These things have so much more impact on those traits of the output than the camera used. Esp. since image quality has plateaued hard for almost 10 years now.
