I think it's mainly designed for social media video, especially live streaming. I imagine the target market will mainly use it jacked into OBS and mounted on an arm for desktop talking heads or on a gimbal for run 'n gun video, etc. Streaming and auto vertical video are big selling points. The mode dial is devoid of normal photo oriented options and it lacks an EVF, so photography is an afterthought. It's barely even a hybrid photo/video camera as it leans so strongly to the video side.
What do people here think of detachable EVFs like they had on the M series? I'm sure it's possible with the new hot shoe. But probably unlikely that they will release it given that this camera's target skews way more towards video than the M series.
mrdan86 wrote:
What do people here think of detachable EVFs like they had on the M series? I'm sure it's possible with the new hot shoe. But probably unlikely that they will release it given that this camera's target skews way more towards video than the M series.
I have used the detachable EVF on my M6II a total of 3 times in the past 5 years and in a recent interview Canon said something along the lines of "lots of people demand a detachable EVF, almost none of those same people actually buy one", so I wouldn't get any hopes up for it.
Personally, I prefer no EVF over a crappy EVF, so the R50V is interesting to me. But I already have an M6II as well as an R8 (which has a decent EVF), so I'm covered on the 'compact travel camera' front.
Gochugogi wrote:
I think it's mainly designed for social media video, especially live streaming. I imagine the target market will mainly use it jacked into OBS and mounted on an arm for desktop talking heads or on a gimbal for run 'n gun video, etc. Streaming and auto vertical video are big selling points. The mode dial is devoid of normal photo oriented options and it lacks an EVF, so photography is an afterthought. It's barely even a hybrid photo/video camera as it leans so strongly to the video side.
Lacking an EVF doesn't make photography an afterthought. The Ricoh GRIII lacks an EVF and video is actually an afterthought on that camera! I know the R50V is mainly geared toward video users, but I wouldn't count it out as a potential travel camera for stills.
mrdan86 wrote:
What do people here think of detachable EVFs like they had on the M series? I'm sure it's possible with the new hot shoe. But probably unlikely that they will release it given that this camera's target skews way more towards video than the M series.
I loved the detachable EVF on my M6—it could rotate and tilt so it was great for macro, ground level shooting and video in bright light. While many people would just use the flip screen for those things, I found the rear screen too dim to use during daylight here in Hawaii and too bright for shooting on stage.
snegron7 wrote:
Lacking an EVF doesn't make photography an afterthought. The Ricoh GRIII lacks an EVF and video is actually an afterthought on that camera! I know the R50V is mainly geared toward video users, but I wouldn't count it out as a potential travel camera for stills.
Lack of an EVF hoses it for me. I can't use the rear screen worth a darn. Just too small and dim, especially for running and flying critters in tropical sunlight (mostly what I shoot). I suppose could make due with a rear screen for twilight landscapes on a tripod.
mrdan86 wrote:
What do people here think of detachable EVFs like they had on the M series? I'm sure it's possible with the new hot shoe. But probably unlikely that they will release it given that this camera's target skews way more towards video than the M series.
I would like to have this option. While it's not Canon, I found the external EVF that slides into the hot shoe of my M series Leica M240 extremely versatile. I use its tilt feature frequently, especially for low angle and high angle work. Frankly, its tilt capability is THE feature I like about it. But I think Canon removed the tilt capability from the second version of the EOS-M series EVF, IIRC? Possibly a significant reason I did not ultimately end up with an M6II, which I thought was a very good camera.
As my eyes get older and presbyopia sets in, it has become increasingly difficult to comfortably compose from the rear screen of a camera (I'm stubborn and refuse to wear glasses). Being able to view through an EVF without eyestrain is very welcome. So at least for me, if a camera does not offer an EVF (built-in or add-on), it needs to otherwise have some very compelling features to interest me.
Gochugogi wrote:
I loved the detachable EVF on my M6—it could rotate and tilt so it was great for macro, ground level shooting and video in bright light. While many people would just use the flip screen for those things, I found the rear screen too dim to use during daylight here in Hawaii and too bright for shooting on stage.
Lack of an EVF hoses it for me. I can't use the rear screen worth a darn. Just too small and dim, especially for running and flying critters in tropical sunlight (mostly what I shoot). I suppose could make due with a rear screen for twilight landscapes on a tripod....Show more →
I've not tried, but even a mid-sized lens like a 100-500 would be hard to use, no?
I think Canon could compete vs X100 series pretty easily, if people are interested in the X100 series to do their TikTok or YouTube videos. This might do quite well.
I actually prefer the rear lcd on stills if I'm not using too long of a lens
A fixed lens camera is quite different. It would be great if Canon could find a better supplier of sensors, like the Fuji has, but 40MP is probably excessive for the vlogger ilk.
EB-1 wrote:
A fixed lens camera is quite different. It would be great if Canon could find a better supplier of sensors, like the Fuji has, but 40MP is probably excessive for the vlogger ilk.
EBH
I'd rather have ILC anyway, and is the X100VI readily available yet ($650 vs $1600+ wouldn't hurt my feelings)? No EVF not nearly as much problem at the shorter fl, I actually prefer LV most of the time under 100mm ff equivalent, probably could go longer than that even. Could get the regular R50 if you are interested in 100-500.
Canon already has 32mp, ahead of everyone but Fuji, of course this has 24mp though.
EB-1 wrote:
A fixed lens camera is quite different. It would be great if Canon could find a better supplier of sensors, like the Fuji has, but 40MP is probably excessive for the vlogger ilk.
EBH
Canon makes sensors in house- They are also looking at potentially selling them externally eventually.
jaygould wrote:
They should go back to using the old 5D and 6D sensors (and the .CR2 raw files). They were way better, in my opinion.
The old sensors were noisy with limited DR. Canon did not move to a more modern process until 2016. Perhaps you liked the CFA they used back then. At the time of the 5D I was using some 1Ds IIs which did have nice colors.
You can see some improvements over the past 20 years, but the 5D IV was surprisingly good compared to even the best in class 61MP Sony today. All of the stacked sensors have some noise penalty in the low gain mode. At low ISO I'd rather use the BSI yet non-stacked sensors.
- Fair enough