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p.73 #1 · Leica M EV1


Not a particularly great R lens, but can someone shoot the 500 f8 on the EV1?
I tend to like its character from time to time.



Oct 31, 2025 at 04:50 PM
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p.73 #2 · Leica M EV1


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I see the M EV1 Facebook group now over 900, currently 943. As suspected I think as more and more buy and use the latest Leica camera the M EV1( actual owners) the tone will shift toward positive experience.

One (Gareth Brown) Facebook Leica M EV1 Facebook group member wrote, "8 reasons why I bought an EV1"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/leicamev1/



Thanks, but not being a Facebook user I cannot see his 8 reasons. Assume one is he likes shooting long lenses and second using R lenses. How about the rest 3-8? Thanks.



Oct 31, 2025 at 05:18 PM
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p.73 #3 · Leica M EV1


stgrove wrote:
Thanks, but not being a Facebook user I cannot see his 8 reasons. Assume one is he likes shooting long lenses and second using R lenses. How about the rest 3-8? Thanks.


Count the lenses in his photo I posted. I believe these eight lenses are his eight reasons.



Oct 31, 2025 at 05:24 PM
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p.73 #4 · Leica M EV1


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Count the lenses in his photo I posted. I believe these eight lenses are his eight reasons.

But once again comes the question: why the EV1 instead of a SL2/SL3/Canon/Sony/Nikon?
The EV1 size matters less with R lenses and you will not have IBIS nor the option to use AF lenses, etc.




Oct 31, 2025 at 08:56 PM
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p.73 #5 · Leica M EV1


Reasons.

EV1: 485g; SL2: 915g; SL3: 860g; Sony a7rV: 725g; Nikon Zf: 710g.

Many do not like porky cameras. The EV1 does open the door to some very nice and weight-suitable lenses from, say, Zeiss CY: things like 28/2.8 (280g); 100/3.5 (280g), 85/2.8 (260g), 45/2.8 (90g). ZF.2 Planar 50/1.4 (330g). All these are ~lighter than the weight differences between the EV1 and these overweight cameras.

800-900 gram camera-lens carry weights are lovely to use. Depends how far you walk, I guess.



Oct 31, 2025 at 09:47 PM
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p.73 #6 · Leica M EV1


philip_pj wrote:
Reasons.

EV1: 485g; SL2: 915g; SL3: 860g; Sony a7rV: 725g; Nikon Zf: 710g.

The problem is I own R lenses and we were talking about the picture above: 240g is not a big difference when you are using a 280mm/4 R but IBIS is.
It seems to me you forgot the handgrip, around 176g. So EV1: 660g, 50g less than an Nikon Zf, 65g less than a Sony a7rV.

I see the point of the EV-1 to use M lenses such as the WATE and 135mm/4 APO if money is no object and you want to stay in the M system.
But till it has IBIS, better focusing aids and maybe something more such as real SLR lenses adapters allowing to focus wide-open, maybe an optional AF adapter for M lenses, it looks like a "first camera" like the M8 or the SL: interesting but flawed.
And the M8 had no competition has a rangefinder, the only reason to accept banding, IR contamination, crop factor, imprecise focusing and poor reliability (I bought 3, talking from experience here).
The EV1 has a lot of competition.



Oct 31, 2025 at 10:18 PM
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p.73 #7 · Leica M EV1


pmeheut wrote:
But once again comes the question: why the EV1 instead of a SL2/SL3/Canon/Sony/Nikon?
The EV1 size matters less with R lenses and you will not have IBIS nor the option to use AF lenses, etc.



"Date the camera marry the lenses" Looks like he decided to date a younger slimmer model? 😃



Nov 01, 2025 at 07:03 AM
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p.73 #8 · Leica M EV1


pmeheut wrote:
The EV1 has a lot of competition.

The target group for the M EV1 is probably something like this:

1) Existing Leica M (or SL) users wanting an additional body
2) Existing M users with poor eye sight
3) Photographers who always lusted after an M but were afraid of using a rangefinder, or tried it and didn't get along

For these 3 groups I don't really see that much competition...

And as very little R&D went into the M EV1 and the price tag is very high there really is almost no risk for Leica.

In my opinion it will be another highly profitable niche product for Leica.



Nov 01, 2025 at 07:41 AM
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p.73 #9 · Leica M EV1


SlowDriver wrote:
The target group for the M EV1 is probably something like this:

1) Existing Leica M (or SL) users wanting an additional body
2) Existing M users with poor eye sight
3) Photographers who always lusted after an M but were afraid of using a rangefinder, or tried it and didn't get along

For these 3 groups I don't really see that much competition...

And as very little R&D went into the M EV1 and the price tag is very high there really is almost no risk for Leica.

In my opinion it will be another highly profitable niche product for Leica.


You have probably found all in the target group. My only comment is that the sample is very small. That said, I figure after Leica sells 2000-3000 EV1 all expenses are paid and they are in the black. This will determine if we ever see an EV2 with the bells and whistles the EV1 needs unless they just offer an M12 with 2 models (RF and EVF) and what many want in the EV1.



Nov 01, 2025 at 08:06 AM
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stgrove wrote:
You have probably found all in the target group. My only comment is that the sample is very small. That said, I figure after Leica sells 2000-3000 EV1 all expenses are paid and they are in the black. This will determine if we ever see an EV2 with the bells and whistles the EV1 needs unless they just offer an M12 with 2 models (RF and EVF) and what many want in the EV1.



I know 3 Q photographers who have purchased an EV-1 because it is as easy to focus manually as the Q but now they get the ability to change lenses.



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p.73 #11 · Leica M EV1


SlowDriver wrote:
The target group for the M EV1 is probably something like this:

1) Existing Leica M (or SL) users wanting an additional body
2) Existing M users with poor eye sight
3) Photographers who always lusted after an M but were afraid of using a rangefinder, or tried it and didn't get along

For these 3 groups I don't really see that much competition...

And as very little R&D went into the M EV1 and the price tag is very high there really is almost no risk for Leica.

In my opinion it will be another highly profitable niche product for Leica.


A few on this thread have focused mainly on what features the EV1 does not have compared to Sony, Nikon, Canon etc which compete among themselves--not Leica. Not unusual debate approach when discussing Leica on the forums. But also not sure those other brands have ever proven to be a good litmus test for what Leica does or doesn't do.

Personally, I think the EV1 will sell too, mainly because it addresses specific needs as you wrote particularly needs of those that asked Leica to build it...for years now e.g., "Existing M users with poor eye sight"

I have the idea the EV1 might sell more than the M11-M variant, maybe much more because it addresses specific needs rather than artistic preference.



Nov 01, 2025 at 08:23 AM
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p.73 #12 · Leica M EV1


pmeheut wrote:
The EV1 has a lot of competition.


Kinda depends on how you define competition. I'd suggest it has a LOT of alternate choices.

Depending on which race you're running with it ... there some things that the EV1 can't really compete with. On the flip-side, there things that others don't fare as well as the M form factor.

In the end, there are a ton of attributes in play. Everything from physical shape / weight to EVF refresh rate to retained optical performance of the M lenses and a slew of other attributes that we can always find SOMETHING, somewhere that on attribute vs. attribute that can be better / worse than another.


To that end, I think the salient point of using a M body with M glass BEGINS with the desire to use M lenses, designed for M registration distance, and accompanying filter stack / microlens configuration. If someone isn't WANTING to use M Lenses, the list is very long. If someone wants to use M lenses, the list narrows if they desire to retain optimized optical performance from their M lenses.

If THIS ^ isn't part of the mission / goal for folks ... then, the universe is available as alternatives, and all other attributes are capable of providing different choices. But, if THIS remains your desire, there are not a lot of options that RETAIN this. As I see it, the list migrates a bit like this for options.

M bodies with RF / Visoflex
SL bodies with EVF

Other bodies with non-M spec optical filter stack / microlenses.

For folks that do not hold this perspective regarding the optical path that M lenses and M bodies present as an engineered pair ... the number of options mushrooms, once we abandon this premise in terms of retaining the highest level of competitive optical performance from M glass. Change the conversation to discount this, and begin using other attributes as the benchmark of competitive performance and it is an entirely different conversation, imo.

As with so many things in our beloved craft ... the quid pro quo relationships are intricate and deep. To which, a vast number of folks will always have an array of considerations in how they'd configure THEIR quid pro quo.

The matter of physical size / weight is very personal and preferential (as but one). Getting the combinations of attributes configured the way folks want ... is gonna be a scenario of simply ... you're not going to please everyone, no matter what you do.

The thing is Leica has ZERO intent / desire to achieve that. Their desire is to retain the M ethos, first, foremost and above all. For those who are aspiring to have the M format (tactile, mechanical interface), but with an EVF instead of an RF ... I don't see ANY competition that brings the ability to use M glass on a tactile, mechanical interface. Even the SL requires an electronic interface for the SS speed and the shutter release. The ability to simply look at the camera and know where you are in the triangle (even when the camera is off) and be using M lenses is unrivaled, that I'm aware of.

So, here again ... it kinda depends on how you are defining "competition". As a tactile interface of the triangle with M lenses (and an EVF), I see little, to no competition in this space. If you want to open up the quid pro quo to begin relinquishing the M interface and the M optical path ... the quid pro quo conversation becomes a very different thing and one can make point after point after point about whatever tickles their fancy.

But (imo), the EV1 stands alone in retention of the M optical path, combined with the tactile interface of the M ... and, now offering an integrated EVF. Relinquish the ethos of that triangulated package, and the options become many. Retain the ethos of that triangulation and the options are significantly fewer.

YMMV






Nov 01, 2025 at 08:33 AM
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p.73 #13 · Leica M EV1


LBJ2 wrote:
Personally, I think the EV1 will sell too, mainly because it addresses specific needs as you wrote particularly needs of those that asked Leica to build it...for years now e.g., "Existing M users with poor eye sight"

I have the idea the EV1 might sell more than the M11-M variant, maybe much more because it addresses specific needs rather than artistic preference.



Two factors drive the EV1

1. Don't fight with your tools.
2. People will pay for the experience.

For folks who are fighting with the RF, the ability to increase their joy of use ... they'll pay for that.

And, while folks might suggest a different platform than the M, then for those who enjoy the M platform, you're asking them to reduce their experience and they aren't inclined to do so (packaged array of the experience).


For folks who are NOT fighting with their tools, and ARE enjoying the experience of using their tools, they will NOT pay for the EV1, as it serves to resolve NEITHER 1 nor 2 for them.

Pretty simple, really.

Problem > Solution > Sales

In the grand schema of the photographic universe, it is but a small star. Yet, for some, it will be a bright star of joy. Spec / value chasers ... not so much.

Although, for folks who REALLY understand what THEY VALUE ... the spec / price paradigm isn't their yardstick.




Nov 01, 2025 at 08:51 AM
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p.73 #14 · Leica M EV1


With SO many choices from sensors to other platforms I wonder if the old ethos about Leica M glass is as pertinent today as it was just 4-5 years ago.

LLL started to change some minds showing how they could make M glass at high quality levels for much less.

I own lots of M glass, but I have found the LLL glass in particular offers high quality at relatively low prices when compared to M Leica glass of the same FL and f stop.

Then there is Voigtlander who has offered some good lenses while showing many that Leica M glass is not as necessary as once thought.

Comments.



Nov 01, 2025 at 09:03 AM
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p.73 #15 · Leica M EV1


stgrove wrote:
With SO many choices from sensors to other platforms I wonder if the old ethos about Leica M glass is as pertinent today as it was just 4-5 years ago.

LLL started to change some minds showing how they could make M glass at high quality levels for much less.

I own lots of M glass, but I have found the LLL glass in particular offers high quality at relatively low prices when compared to M Leica glass of the same FL and f stop.

Then there is Voigtlander who has offered some good lenses while showing many that Leica M glass
...Show more

Registration distance of M lenses vs. optical path. If the mfr creates the lens to the M standard, then the use of it on the M platform should fare better on the M platform than on non-M platform. The point wasn't about WHO was mfr'ing the M lenses (Leica vs. Voigt vs. others), it was about matching the optical projection of the lens to the path through the body.

But, as long as you mention the other mfr's ... note the size differences that the offerings bring to achieve that. For some, that will be meaningless, for others it is more nuanced in their appreciation (form factor, haptic, optical performance, rendering approach, etc.). The bottom line is that different folks have different valuations for what is important to them. Folks can rationalize their perspective and try to impose it on others, but the reality is that how different people value different things ... yeah, it can differ.





Nov 01, 2025 at 09:13 AM
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p.73 #16 · Leica M EV1


I am talking about M designed lenses on the M platform. NO discussion about which is best for the M glass, although Fred and others seem to like the Sony/Kolari approach. I just cannot connect with Sony like I can connect with my M's.

I must say my M11's +Viso2 when needed are the best of both worlds, for me, who has but one eye and the good one keeps getting worse and worse.



Nov 01, 2025 at 09:22 AM
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p.73 #17 · Leica M EV1


stgrove wrote:
I just cannot connect with Sony like I can connect with my M's.


Gotcha.

Yeah, I never connected with Sony either despite others telling me how it was the greatest thing, etc.

Everyone has their own ideations of what they like for an interface ... i.e. experience / joy, etc. Not something that is necessarily transferrable to others.





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Nov 01, 2025 at 09:31 AM
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p.73 #18 · Leica M EV1


stgrove wrote:
With SO many choices from sensors to other platforms I wonder if the old ethos about Leica M glass is as pertinent today as it was just 4-5 years ago.

LLL started to change some minds showing how they could make M glass at high quality levels for much less.

I own lots of M glass, but I have found the LLL glass in particular offers high quality at relatively low prices when compared to M Leica glass of the same FL and f stop.

Then there is Voigtlander who has offered some good lenses while showing many that Leica M glass
...Show more

Early into my first Leica M the M10, ownership I built-out a complete Leica M lens kit relatively quickly and got rid of most all of my Much less expensive Voigt lenses out of preference for Leica M lenses. I did hang on to the Voigt 75 1,5 due to its unique look. For me this is a good feeling having a complete native lens kit for some years now that meets and continues to meet all my wants/needs even on a 60MP full frame M11 BSI sensor! The additional upside continues to be no GAS in this regard. In the long run I spent less on my Leica keeper-system than my many GAS induced Sony purchases over the years.



Nov 01, 2025 at 09:31 AM
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p.73 #19 · Leica M EV1


RustyBug wrote:
Two factors drive the EV1

1. Don't fight with your tools.
2. People will pay for the experience.

For folks who are fighting with the RF, the ability to increase their joy of use ... they'll pay for that.

And, while folks might suggest a different platform than the M, then for those who enjoy the M platform, you're asking them to reduce their experience and they aren't inclined to do so (packaged array of the experience).

For folks who are NOT fighting with their tools, and ARE enjoying the experience of using their tools, they will NOT pay for the EV1, as it
...Show more

I agree completely with this and the prior post. It’s why I’m interested in the concept. But, the RF works fine enough for me so no need. The only EVF-based manual focus aid that’s compelling enough for me is the Nikon approach. If Leica implements something like that (and it should be even better…common Leica!) I would buy it. Maybe the EV2.



Nov 01, 2025 at 09:34 AM
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Erich6_ wrote:
I agree completely with your last two posts. It’s why I’m interested in the concept. But, the RF works fine enough for me so no need. The only EVF-based manual focus aid that’s compelling enough for me is the Nikon approach. If Leica implements something like that (and it should be even better…common Leica!) I would buy it. Maybe the EV2.


Yup, the EV2 will be interesting to see where the iterative improvements land. There could be an opportunity for migrating from "problems" to "wants" territory in the next gen. Again, I see the EV1 as a mid-cycle release. The EV2 should be a full cycle release and has more opportunity to be matured.



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