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p.1 #1 · PD Roller Pro - 300% too heavy and 300% too expensive


Only for a PROS
Price > $600
Weight > 8.6lb or 3.9 kg

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/peak-design/roller-pro-carry-on-luggage-by-peak-design?ref=64yboy&utm_campaign=d3c8764d&utm_content=link&utm_medium=kickbooster&utm_source=www.youtube.com

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Mar 09, 2025 at 08:22 PM
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p.1 #2 · PD Roller Pro - 300% too heavy and 300% too expensive


Is it better than the old ThinkTanks? I have several Airport series and they worked fine. No Kickstanders though.

EBH



Mar 09, 2025 at 08:35 PM
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p.1 #3 · PD Roller Pro - 300% too heavy and 300% too expensive


To some extent I’ve been (and continue to be) a fan of some of Peak Design’s products. I have several of their smaller bags, one of which I use almost every day. I use several of their shoulder and wrist straps. I’ve been to their SF store and admire the quality of a lot of their products and their focus on innovation.

On the other hand…

Some of their products just seem a bit “over-designed” to me. We were recently in the market for airline carry-on size travel backpacks. We’ve been using Osprey packs for years, but wanted to get something newer. We heard about the PD 45L Travel Backpack and thought it looked interesting, if a bit pricey. So we went to SF and checked them out in person.

On one hand, the product is an impressive bit of engineering, with lots of bells and whistles (like an extra small size opening and a fascinating system for expanding the bag). But as travelers, we actually don’t want or need all that stuff — we wanted relatively simple, straightforward, light and durable bags. This bag, lovely as it is, weighed considerably more than the very functional Osprey bags we had been using, largely because it added features that we really would not use or need. All of those extra zippers and other features are also additional potential points of failure. Not only was it heavier, but it was also significantly more expensive.

Verdict: Impressive engineering, but heavier than necessary due to features we didn’t need, and significantly more expensive.

I just watched the PD video on this new roller. Again, there’s some quite impressive design and technology in the product. Their attention to high level design is really laudable — if you like well-designed products (and I do) you will likely be impressed by their attention to detail.

But…

I have a roller bag in this size from another company that I’ve carted all over the place for yeas and it has held up quite well. The PD extendable handle may be thinner and stiffer, but the handle on my other bag (which is not a cheapo model either) has held up really well. And it cost perhaps a bit less than 1/3 of the price of this new PD bag!

And luggage like this, as pretty as it looks on the showroom floor, is going to get banged around, scratched, tossed around by airline employees, and worse.

And over 8 pounds? Given the airline weight restrictions, that’s a lot of poundage to devote to the luggage itself…

Having said that, it is clear that a LOT of people are pretty enthusiastic about paying $600 (or the “kickstarter” discounted price) for this bag. They’ve had more than $6 million in pre-orders. :-)

Again, I like the company. Just not sure about this one…



Mar 10, 2025 at 10:13 AM
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p.1 #4 · PD Roller Pro - 300% too heavy and 300% too expensive


The dimensions of the bag are slightly too large for some airlines. One key measurement airlines are looking to be strict on is he bags depth which many are now starting to limit to 9” including the wheels. This bag has a depth of 11” when you include the wheels. Something to think about as airlines get more strict on carry on luggage.


Mar 10, 2025 at 01:25 PM
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p.1 #5 · PD Roller Pro - 300% too heavy and 300% too expensive


I wish some company would make a roller that rolls on grass, dirt, gravel with ease. Most rollers are fine on hard surfaces but take them off road and you end up holding than than rolling. There is not enough clearance for those tiny wheels they put on them.
Osprey, I think, used to sell a roller with big wheels for use on rough terrain but I don’t see them listed now.



Mar 10, 2025 at 02:10 PM
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Norm Shapiro wrote:
I wish some company would make a roller that rolls on grass, dirt, gravel with ease. Most rollers are fine on hard surfaces but take them off road and you end up holding than than rolling. There is not enough clearance for those tiny wheels they put on them.
Osprey, I think, used to sell a roller with big wheels for use on rough terrain but I don’t see them listed now.


Biggest issues with roller bags for me is on cobble stone streets. My main suitcase is a roller duffle and it is truly a pain trying to move along cobble stone streets.



Mar 10, 2025 at 02:47 PM
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In its normal configuration is is 9” x 14” x 22”, which is exactly the US airline carryon bag size limit. (Technically the limit is some combination of the three that adds up to some total, so there’s a bit of leeway… unless you get a particularly tough gate agent or fight attendant.)

In situations where you don’t need to conform to that limit, you can expand it to 11” x 14” x 22”.

Some international carriers have slightly different (and in some cases, smaller) size limits for carryon luggage. My carryon conforms to the US standard, and I haven’t had a problem in Europe… though sometimes I do check a bag just in case.

FWIW, I’m not thrilled by folks who try to get away with going past these limits. They often make it difficult for the rest of us…

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Mar 10, 2025 at 05:14 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
In its normal configuration is is 9” x 14” x 22”, which is exactly the US airline carryon bag size limit. (Technically the limit is some combination of the three that adds up to some total, so there’s a bit of leeway… unless you get a particularly tough gate agent or fight attendant.)

In situations where you don’t need to conform to that limit, you can expand it to 11” x 14” x 22”.

Some international carriers have slightly different (and in some cases, smaller) size limits for carryon luggage. By carryon conforms to the US standard, and I haven’t had a
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Nope, if you include the wheels, which airlines are starting to do, then the depth of the bag is 11”. I know the airline I use quite a lot just released an update on their restrictions and they include the wheels in their measurements.

Best to fully understand the rules before playing.



Mar 10, 2025 at 06:20 PM
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f you include the wheels, which airlines are starting to do, then the depth of the bag is 11”.

Did you just make up that 11” depth because of the wheels claim?

I’m looking at the (lengthy)) kickstarter info page linked from the PD site, and the only mention I see of an 11” measurement refers to the load-carrying portion of the bag when extended, as I mentioned above. If you are seeing that 11” wheels-included measurement somewhere, perhaps you can share a link?

Are you inventing this 11” depth by looking at the picture in the section with the measurements where the wheels are turned to roll straight forward and backwards? (The wheels rotate back to within the 9” depth when stowed, so it will fit into the 9” x 14” x 22” space.)

As someone wrote: “Best to fully understand the rules before playing.” ;-)

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For anyone else interested, I am surprised to see that the capacity of the PD roller is only 34L. That seems pretty minimal for luggage that matches the 9” x 14” x 22” size limit. Those are usually 40L or more. I use a Gregory roller with the same exterior dimensions, and it is rated at 42L. The PD only gets to 39L with the expansion to 11” depth. My Osprey Porter pack says it has a 46L capacity, and its dimensions fit the carry-on limits. (As a pack, it does not have wheels.)

I’m guessing that the foam layer plus polycarbonate layer for protection is taking up quite a bit of the volume.



Mar 10, 2025 at 10:46 PM
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I think we can dismiss the claim that the bag is 11” thick because of the wheels since the person making the claim hasn’t offered any evidence of that, and it contradicts the information on the web site for the product.

(I wouldn’t buy this roller for other reasons: the $600 price, the 8+ pound weight, the restricted 34 liter capacity, for example. It’s not for me. But it seems that it might be just the thing for some users – heck, it must be, since the Kickstarter has over $6million in pledges so far!)



Mar 11, 2025 at 09:52 PM
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It sure seems far too complicated. I'm sticking with the ThinkTank/Mindshifts or GurbaGear bags.
$6 Million is 10K of bags.

EBH



Mar 11, 2025 at 10:17 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Did you just make up that 11” depth because of the wheels claim?

I’m looking at the (lengthy)) kickstarter info page linked from the PD site, and the only mention I see of an 11” measurement refers to the load-carrying portion of the bag when extended, as I mentioned above. If you are seeing that 11” wheels-included measurement somewhere, perhaps you can share a link?

Are you inventing this 11” depth by looking at the picture in the section with the measurements where the wheels are turned to roll straight forward and backwards? (The wheels rotate back to within the 9”
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Well if you rotate the wheels sideways, then they will stick out away from the bag on the sides…thus making the width greater than 14”…again over the carryon limit. Slice and dice how you like…it will not fit into the carryon check. Now many airlines don’t measure…but I’m noticing more checking and demanding bags that don’t meet requirements need to be gate checked.

You roll the dice and take your chances…but bottom line if an airline wants to be strict…you’ll lose.



Mar 11, 2025 at 10:42 PM
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Given how strict airlines can be - particularly outside of the US I probably wouldn't go with this bag loaded up with a full kit of gear. I would be happy to use it domestically or if my entire itinerary was in first class/business since I have never had luggage issues when flying up front.

I'd be happy to use a few of the PD cubes in my compliant bags / backpack but I've taken to using a small roller bag that will even fit underseat or in the overhead compartments of regional jets just to make sure my camera gear will never be gate checked.




Mar 12, 2025 at 02:22 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
It sure seems far too complicated. I'm sticking with the ThinkTank/Mindshifts or GurbaGear bags.
$6 Million is 10K of bags.

EBH


For most people, too complicated, but even more… too expensive, too heavy, and very reduced capacity for its size.

Which isn’t to say that some folks won’t like it a lot.

liggy wrote:
Given how strict airlines can be - particularly outside of the US I probably wouldn't go with this bag loaded up with a full kit of gear. I would be happy to use it domestically or if my entire itinerary was in first class/business since I have never had luggage issues when flying up front.

I'd be happy to use a few of the PD cubes in my compliant bags / backpack but I've taken to using a small roller bag that will even fit underseat or in the overhead compartments of regional jets just to make sure my camera
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I’m sure it is going to work for some people, but I also prefer a smaller carry for my photography equipment when flying. That ranges from my very compact street/travel kit (which fits in a shoulder bag) to the larger kit I’ll use for landscape (and occasional event) photography that I fly to, where I use a dedicated camera pack that is smaller than the carry-on limit.

The only hang-up with the latter is that my tripod ends up in checked luggage. (I remove the expensive head and take it in carry-on “just in case.”)

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And to the guy I responded to earlier and asked for a link to specs, thanks for confirming that your claim about the wheels making it 11” deep and not working within the carry-on limited was just something you make up after looking at a picture. Again, when you stow the bag the wheels rotate within the 9” airline limit. That’s pretty much how all roller bags work — at least two of the wheels are “smart wheels” that are mounted off-center so that they will naturally rotate as you roll the bag.

Or, more succinctly, you are wrong.



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Exacty this! I am also fond of their products, but only certain products that work for me. I am looking for a sub- 5lb bag to carry my long lens gear when I go on photo safaris and I looked at their new roller, but as Dan says, it is way over designed for the needs (mine) and way more expensive than it needs to be.

The only reason I am even looking is that I have a Gura Gear Kiboko 30L that is reliably able to carry 2x A1, 600GM, 100-400 GM, teleconverters, flash, 10x42 bins and batteries. The bag is fine, but as I age more, my back is no longer fine. If I can get something in the same weight class but a roller, it would greatly alleviate my dilemma.

Dan, can you please tell me what exactly you found that was 1/3rd or less in cost? I am still checking out a bunch of bags on Amazon for this. Thanks a lot in advance.


gdanmitchell wrote:
To some extent I’ve been (and continue to be) a fan of some of Peak Design’s products. I have several of their smaller bags, one of which I use almost every day. I use several of their shoulder and wrist straps. I’ve been to their SF store and admire the quality of a lot of their products and their focus on innovation.

On the other hand…

Some of their products just seem a bit “over-designed” to me. We were recently in the market for airline carry-on size travel backpacks. We’ve been using Osprey packs for years, but wanted to get something newer.
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Mar 12, 2025 at 10:17 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
For most people, too complicated, but even more… too expensive, too heavy, and very reduced capacity for its size.

Which isn’t to say that some folks won’t like it a lot.

I’m sure it is going to work for some people, but I also prefer a smaller carry for my photography equipment when flying. That ranges from my very compact street/travel kit (which fits in a shoulder bag) to the larger kit I’ll use for landscape (and occasional event) photography that I fly to, where I use a dedicated camera pack that is smaller than the carry-on limit.

The only
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But…what about the increased width from the wheels when you rotate them so the depth is not affected. Again…you have an issue…and you just conveniently forgot this part of the sizing issues to just suit your agenda.

Even more succinctly…you are wrong in assuming this bad will fit into the latest carryon size checkers…no matter how you roll those dice…or should I say wheels.



Mar 12, 2025 at 10:34 AM
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What kind of airline is measuring with the wheels out? That's not how they would fit in an overhead.

Some people just use a conventional roller of reasonable size (and modest cost) with lesser padding and complexity just to get the gear through the airports and then transfer the gear to a photo backpack at the other end.

EBH



Mar 12, 2025 at 11:23 AM
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I have mixed feeling about PD. They like to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. But I suppose that's how kickstarter is supposed to work. It's almost like they're daring people to buy this stuff. Reminds me of Leica...


Mar 12, 2025 at 12:37 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
EWhat kind of airline is measuring with the wheels out? That's not how they would fit in an overhead.

Some people just use a conventional roller of reasonable size (and modest cost) with lesser padding and complexity just to get the gear through the airports and then transfer the gear to a photo backpack at the other end.

EBH


No one is measuring luggage with the wheels out. If you put luggage into the little boxes that you can use to check it (does anyone actually use those?) the wheels will just rotate in to fit. Even more obviously, as you point out, when you put a roller into the overhead bin the wheels rotate and don’t stick out. On top of that, just about all brands of roller bags use wheels that work the same way. Our “friend” just prefers arguing to saying, “OK, I was wrong” and moving on.

Conventional rollers are a pretty good solution in a lot of cases. You can even fit some camera packs into the rollers, depending on what gear you are carrying.

FWIW, I prefer to carry a regular camera pack into the cabin as carry=on and check my regular luggage.

jeffbuzz wrote:
I have mixed feeling about PD. They like to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. But I suppose that's how kickstarter is supposed to work. It's almost like they're daring people to buy this stuff. Reminds me of Leica...


I have similar feelings about the company. I own and like some of their gear quite a bit, especially some of the second generation products that went through a cycle of refinement. I have several of their small shoulder bags (“Sling” bags in their parlance) and they work pretty well. One of them is, in fact, my everyday bag that I carry almost any time I go out. It handles a small water bottle, wallet and phone, my XT5, and few other necessities.

Watching the video on this roller, it is clear that they are working at a high level when it comes to industrial design. Their attention to detail, for the most part, is really impressive. but I think they sometimes get into trouble in a couple of ways. The overdesign some of the bags, adding every possible bell and whistle, and the bags end up with features that most buyers won’t use. Their prices also can rise to levels that may make them uncompetitive. This roller is a case in point — the regular retail price will be $600… before you add the various inserts they would like you to buy! I can get a very good roller bag for less than 1/3 of that price.

I’ve been their store. I’ve bought their products for years and used the successfully. They have a pretty good return policy, even on pretty old gear. I think they are good people. But…



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