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 p.8 #7 · Hasselblad vs Leica image quality (IQ) | |
RAG_landscapes wrote:
Gordon, in reading your posts here and on Leica User Forum, for your wildlife photography, weight and bulk seemed to be of lessor importance. For me with landscapes where multi hour walking is involved, weight is of more importance. On trip to S.India, carried the SL3+APO21+28-70 = 2.211 kg. Trip to Patagonia X2D+35-100+28p = 2.094kg. If X2D with primes 28p/45p/75p = 1.768 kg. Upon return, sold the SL3 and by chance found a SL2 in great condition and price. Using the X2D gave, yes subjective, better colors, and in my use case, lighter in weight so the HB will be primary system. ...Show more →
Absolutely! I weigh my gear relentlessly before each trip. Even the wildlife one in Africa. It’s just that for those a 600mm is needed so I have to expect a big kit. But on most of those trips internal flights are very strict on weight. The next one is 25kg for everything and I have 10kg of camera gear. So I’ve purchased ultra light bags to shave grams.
On our last Iceland trip I took the SL3 because I wanted more reach than the X2D could give me. Iceland like long lenses. But I also took a Panny 24-105 for hiking days, to save weight. Now there’s the 35-100 I’d likely take that instead plus a SL3 and 100-400, or similar. On my next trip I think I’d take my X2D and 35-100, 20-35 and 135/TC but my main camera will be a drone. I’d only use tha HB where drones aren’t allowed.
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SlowDriver wrote:
The Leica SL weighed 847g (with battery), the SL2 916g and the SL3 854g, so with the SL3 they more or less brought the weight back to what it originally was (before IBIS was added). I am not really convinced that Leica wants to go any further. I kind of believe that they feel around 850g is the optimal weight for the SL which it very well might be for lenses like the 90-280. For all clarity, for me personally they also do not have to decrease the weight of the SL3 or SL3-S bodies but I do feel strongly they need at least one body (perhaps a new one) that is (significantly) smaller and lighter. My use case is the X2D II with 38V (around 1,200g). I would potentially reconsider the SL if they could provide an L-mount body and a APO Summicron-SL 35mm Mk II with a similar weight (as opposed to the current weight of 1,600g). ...Show more →
Agreed, I doubt Leica will go much lighter. They’re trading on build quality. And the Sl3 is in line with Z8’s and R1’s of this world. They could use a lighter body though. I’d rather that option than the pointless SL3-S.
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SlowDriver wrote:
The Leica S4 would need to find its own niche. I believe it would have a hard time directly competing with Hasselblad and Fuji. Those systems have been around for a decade now, are mature already and both Fuji and Hasselblad operate at a faster pace and have in the past 6-8 years in my opinion been more innovative than Leica as well. About the free gear, I personally do not like it very much either. But then again, other camera companies tend to fly influencers to Wetzlar, to Miami, to Japan or to other (exotic) destinations. Is it really that different?...Show more →
I was in the Leica store Sydney yesterday collecting my SL3 reporter and we had EXACTLY the same conversation. When the 007 was released it was basically the only one in the category. Leica basically created and then abandoned the category and now I’m not sure they’ll be able to get back in. HB has basically taken their market share in the segment.
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RoamingScott wrote:
The X2D2 is an interesting camera but it still has far too many quality of life issues to be a serious workhorse IMO...the most braindead strap lug system in the entire camera market, a gorgeous but very limited functionality LCD screen in terms of articulation, perhaps the least ergonomic power button of any camera I've ever used (this has cost me time and shots in the field if the camera is off).
The limited shutter speed of lenses, factoring in bokeh degradation, is another mark against it if you're routinely shooting in sunny conditions.
Lenses that don't even support AF-C.
It's a fun system for one off shooting or ultra demanding light, but there are way more flexible options out there for the same or less money....Show more →
I use magnetic filters on all my lenses, if possible. That’s basically eliminated the shutter speed and borehole issues for me. I leave a 3 stop permanently behind the magnetic lens cap. I can remove either both or just the cap with the same movement.
I agree on the straps. I use a tripod mount sling strap for the HB.
As for flexibility, I agree that any small format system and the GFX have more flexibility but also the HB have vastly grown the shooting envelope of the X system over the last decade. Generally it falls right into my sweet spot any way and I consider the fact that it can replace a SL3 or A7R5 sometimes a bonus. But I’m old. I’ve been working around the limitations of cameras my whole life so I’m just used to it. I buy cameras because of what they can do and don’t worry about what they can’t. If video was a big part of my shooting, for example, I’d go elsewhere but it isn’t. Nor am I specifically interested in wildlife with a MF camera etc. For those needs I have other systems. I will really enjoy the AFC but I don’t *need* it for my usage case, if that makes sense.
And while other systems can be more flexible there are a few really useful things that no one does better than HB. Long exposures and IBIS. Handholding for a second or more is black magic. So is metering for up to an hour and not needing LENR. I regularly use longer exposures so both of these are massive features for me. More so than Sony’s focus tech, much of the time.
I get that most want as much flexibility as possible. I’d just rather build several systems around what they do best. I’m not shooting spots with my Hasselblads and I’m rarely shooting landscapes or travel with a Sony. I have but it’s not my preference.
I know a few people who just have a X2D2 or an M or an Q3 and a lens or two but I feel most have these as a supplement to other systems anyway.
Gordon
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