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 p.1 #7 · Hasselblad vs Leica image quality (IQ) | |
RustyBug wrote:
Not pay attention to any of them. They were all processed by eye to the content creator. NONE were "pushed" for anything challenging on a technical level. NONE were "pushed" for anything on a creative level.
To Gordon's point, the diff's are not overt between them. Until you put them up against some REAL challenges, then that's where the distinctions in difference become noticeable. Case in point, Gordon mentions long exposures favor the Hassy ... indeed that was my experience with the X1D II vs. my M10R. Granted, not the same cameras in question as the SL3 vs. X2D ... but the principle differences in concept remain.
As to the video speaking to HIS EDITING to where the Hassy had more magenta ... yeah, umm, well, umm, uh ... that's where HE put the color. I could hypothesize why his eye / brain accommodation of the Hassy files consistently took HIM in that direction (hint: global overcorrection for greens he wasn't used to seeing, etc.). But, here again ... NO WAY am I judging anything of the system IQ's from that video.
Imo, the very thing he didn't do (i.e. compare the RAW's and PUSH them in challenging captures and challenging PP), is the very thing that NEEDS to be done in order to understand where the IQ differences occur (Gordon's point about Hassy file pliability) in the system files.
Stepping past the video, I think one needs to ask themselves what their use case is. By this, I mean if one is going to be using their system as a "recording tool" (similar to the video use case), the differences in the system IQ are very similar to using a Ferrari and a Lamborghini to perform utilitarian tasks of going to the grocery store for a loaf of bread and a gallon milk. You can't judge jack, diddly, squat, boo about the difference from top tier cars under those test conditions. You're gonna have to put them on the track and/or find a great stretch of twisty's to put them through their paces. If you're plan is to just get bread and milk, save a dime and get a Camry or a Mustang.
As a versatility, utilitarian tool ... the SL wins out (imo) with dang good IQ. If your use case is to extract color from the depths of challenging situations, the Hassy wins out. Imo, the main separator for the Hassy is what you can do with 16 bit color vs. the limits of what you can do with 14 bit color. If you are one of the folks who gripe that there is no difference and you don't want the "slowness" of processing 16 bits of data, the utilitarian speed of 14 bit processing trumps the IQ difference that you don't use ... if you aren't CHALLENGING the files. (Note: The Hassy can be shot in 14 bit to speed things up, but will still be slower due to the larger number of rows / MP being processed.)
To Gordon's point ... I think one has to understand and KNOW WHY they want the Hassy difference. The difference in focal plane shutters vs. leaf shutters is another area to be understood. If folks don't know that, then they likely aren't in a place where they are experiencing the need for it. For example, if you are / aren't shooting long exposures ... you're experience with Hassy vs. non-Hassy can't fully appreciate how much difference the Hassy provides when shooting long exposures. It's not the "only" thing, but the difference in what you get from Hassy long exposures ... top tier, imo. HSS flash users may find the diff between leaf vs. focal plane shutters significant. Others may find it meaningless. Personally, I like a leaf shutter (in my Q2, also) for its symmetry of counterbalanced forced in the shutter action (i.e. smoother), makes for better hand held shooting (IBIS or not), than shutter shock of focal plane shutters, etc.
So, here again ... understanding what / when / where / how CHALLENGES are where the Hassy pulls away from the others. Routine image recording ... bread and milk ... it's kind like having an automatic transmission vs. a close-ratio gear box. Until you put that tranny into challenging situations, the difference (which is very real) isn't well depicted, nor well appreciated.
Anyway, you get the gist ... the systems are both pretty darn good, but the IQ of the Hassy pulls away (imo) when you challenge the hardest. It's the last to "fade" and have the brakes give out on you in the twisty's on a mountain without guardrails. Just goin' for bread and milk ... you'll never fully appreciate the difference in handling / braking of a Ferrari / Lambo vs. Camry / Mustang.
Bear in mind ... my ^ perspective above is relative to IQ. Bring AF, IBIS, weather sealing, etc. into the consideration ... refer back to Gordon's take on those things. He's pretty much spot on, imo. Me ... I'm having trouble deciding between the 907X vs. X2D (and still saving my pennies). For me, the color of what I can get from the Hassy when I challenge it ... trumps the others, where they falter, sooner.
That said, if I had to choose ONLY ONE, single system for its universal balance of IQ, et al ... SL, with a mix of SL glass and M glass (and I'd miss aspects about the Hassy / M / Q). Fortunately, I can have a mix of systems. I just have to figure out how I want to mix / match those systems for my pref's. That said, I think it is a rare few who will find the Hassy satisfies all their needs in a single Hassy solution, only.
HTH
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I agree with you in general. Especially since I have X2D, A7rV, Q3 43, M11-P and had SL3 (for a couple of months), so I have a pretty good idea of their pros and cons.
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