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p.3 #1 · Hasselblad vs Leica image quality (IQ)


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I stepped away from the X1D II and into the SL system for a bit. I'll be boomeranging back to the Hassy. BUT, that is not to infer that I have any "regrets" about stepping away from the Hassy > SL. It means that I have different itches, that need different tools to scratch those different itches.

As I went about things with my non-Hassy gear, after having shot the Hassy, I kept finding that (for me) I missed the Hassy, even as I enjoyed the SL. So, still ... no regrets, but I will be returning to Hassy at some
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Egad! So, I'm not the only one. Your story rings close to my own.



Jan 12, 2026 at 08:30 PM
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a better ROI for most users.



Meanwhile, the Hassy is a better JOY for other users.

Some folks measure ROI in terms of $$$. Others measure what you get in return for your $$$, in non-$$$ terms.

YMMV




Jan 12, 2026 at 10:06 PM
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I agree of course, value is subjective to a degree. Why is why I also said "How much experience is worth and priority of the above gaps with the hassy system is for the individual to decide."
Both are amazing cameras.
Curious though, do you shoot with a x2dii ? I took the liberty of looking at your posts and dont see any pics with the camera being discussed. Maybe I missed it






Jan 13, 2026 at 12:24 AM
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Picture This! wrote:
I agree of course, value is subjective to a degree. Why is why I also said "How much experience is worth and priority of the above gaps with the hassy system is for the individual to decide."
Both are amazing cameras.
Curious though, do you shoot with a x2dii ? I took the liberty of looking at your posts and dont see any pics with the camera being discussed. Maybe I missed it



X1D II (previously) and X2D (current) ... not X2D II.

As to the Fuji ... on paper, it calls to me for a variety of reasons. Every time I pick one up in the store, my hand goes "Yuck". Kinda the same way A-Series Sony is for me.

Personally, the X1D II was the best "fit" for my hand (slightly better than the X2D) in the Medium Format bodies. Tried out the 907X last time I was at Roberts, too. On paper, I thought I'd like it. I was a bit surprised how much I didn't take to it.

The Hassy is mixed in with SL2-S / M10R / Q2 / M246.



Jan 13, 2026 at 08:13 AM
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p.3 #5 · Hasselblad vs Leica image quality (IQ)


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Imo, the main separator for the Hassy is what you can do with 16 bit color vs. the limits of what you can do with 14 bit color. If you are one of the folks who gripe that there is no difference and you don't want the "slowness" of processing 16 bits of data, the utilitarian speed of 14 bit processing trumps the IQ difference that you don't use ... if you aren't CHALLENGING the files. (Note: The Hassy can be shot in 14 bit to speed things up, but will still be slower due to the larger number
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Just FYI on the 14 bit vs 16 bit discussion, here's what Jim Kasson says about it: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/threads/the-16-bit-fallacy-why-more-isnt-always-better-in-medium-format-cameras.4803313/

as summarized by Grok:

This thread, started by Jim Kasson himself in May 2025, directly addresses the topic. He debunks common myths about 16-bit superiority, arguing that sensor limitations (e.g., photon shot noise and read noise) cap effective dynamic range at around 14 stops, making additional bits unnecessary for photography. Key arguments from his opening post and replies:

Dynamic Range: A 16-bit file theoretically offers 96 dB vs. 84 dB for 14-bit, but real sensors don't exceed ~14 stops (84 dB). Once quantization noise is below the analog noise floor, extra bits add no value.
Tonal Smoothness and Banding: 14-bit already provides more tonal steps than the human eye can detect, especially in post-processing. Banding issues arise from output formats or compression, not capture bit depth—shot noise naturally smooths quantization.
Color Accuracy: Sensors don't deliver true 16-bit color fidelity; the bottom bits are noise-dominated. Color depends more on lens, sensor design, and spectral response.
Future-Proofing: Unnecessary, as 14-bit files already have excess granularity beyond current sensor capabilities.
Other Applications: 16-bit might help in controlled scientific settings, but not in typical photography with variable lighting.
Drawbacks of 16-Bit: Larger files, slower readouts (due to ADC design), longer blackouts, and increased rolling shutter distortion, with no compensating benefits in single-shot mode.

He concludes that 16-bit is "more about marketing than measurable photographic benefit," with "little to no advantage over 14-bit" for dynamic range, smoothness, or color. In replies, he notes this applies to 44x33mm sensors like the GFX 100x and X2D, and while frame averaging (e.g., in Phase One IQ4) might slightly favor 16-bit by reducing noise, it's implementation-specific and could be handled via software from 14-bit data.

My take: if given the choice between the SL3 and X2DII, I'd go with Hassy for the simple scientific reason - the Hassy is sexy as hell

Back to reality: unless you're printing huge, I doubt anyone will see a difference in images taken under comparable lighting/settings using quality glass of the same equivalent focal length. I've heard from many users of both platforms but have no actual knowledge that Hassy colors SOC are superior, especially skin tones. But these days who relies solely on jpgs SOC as opposed to shooting RAW and processing in post? Finally if you have any desire to shoot street and rely on auto focus, again based solely on what I've heard, the SL3 is more adept.



Jan 13, 2026 at 08:42 AM
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I appreciate folks always trying to "debunk" the 16 bit thing ... Jim noted in a previous discussion the color diff's did present when raising the shadows, but that's not widely published, nor disseminated.

I ran my own tests of 16 bit Hassy vs. 14 bit Hassy. I did this using the higher ISO values (I know) to understand how much difference might exist. It was noticeable the reduction in color DR. Granted, I'm not likely to use a lot of higher ISO at 16 bit applications, but the difference does exist. Again, "for most people" that amount of difference isn't salient to their usage.

That said, however ... I still discount the notion that it is "more about marketing than measurable photographic benefit", as being a reason to dismiss the 16 bit. As noted, it is a niche use case for most. Also, it is noted that the difference doesn't realize until you begin "pushing" things. Whether that be pushing in post, or pushing in ISO ... that's where the differences will begin to reveal. I ran out the decimal math elsewhere, and yes, when final is 8-10 bit targets, starting at 14 it vs. 16 bit "fits" in that target, depending on how much you push (or not).

That said, I'll (mathematically / objectively) stand on the differences in 16 bit vs. 14 bit are more than just marketing ... but, I also recognize the realization of the difference / need is rooted in use case.

To which I have also run dual platforms and when only "lightly pushing" things ... the diff's are mostly in the care needed to prevent artifacts. Aggressive processing is tolerated better by the 16 bit file than a 14 bit file.

However, while I will (objectively noted) differentiate the 16 bit vs. 14 bit ... I do recognize that for many folks 14 bit will serve their purposes as well (or better) than 16 bit. Even within the paradigm of the X2D, the e-shutter difference of (16 bit) 1/3s vs. (14 bit) 1/6s may be salient. For those shooting 14 bit in FF bodies, a faster e-shutter can be evermore salient to them, than the PP affords of 16 bit files. 12 bit is applicable to the conversation also, in that less data = faster processing times. Pretty straightforward, there. Where folks draw the line between 8 / 10 / 12 /14 /16 bit files is subjective to their needs. But, I do not subscribe to the "marketing" dismissal that is readily disseminated by folks ... even if Jim did make such a statement.

Imo, 16 bit files are about how hard you can push them. Not that they are magically better than 14 bit in normal operation.

A Camry will get a loaf of bread, just as well as a Ferrari. It isn't until you truly push the limits of performance does the differentiation reveal itself. Otherwise, you could suggest that a 12 cylinder engine is just about marketing (if based largely on low level performance criteria), because a 6 cylinder engine gets the job done, just fine.

I'm not opposed to using 14 bit files ... I just recognize that I won't be able to push them as hard, as if I were to use 16 bit files.

I use both.






Jan 13, 2026 at 10:21 AM
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p.3 #7 · Hasselblad vs Leica image quality (IQ)


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I ran my own tests of 16 bit Hassy vs. 14 bit Hassy. I did this using the higher ISO values (I know) to understand how much difference might exist. It was noticeable the reduction in color DR. Granted, I'm not likely to use a lot of higher ISO at 16 bit applications, but the difference does exist.

Ok but when will it be visible? On a print? On a screen?
I see the difference between film and digital, between different sensor and over time even if a good image even shot with an average lens using Tri-X is still ok for me.

But when we talk about the difference between 14 bits and 16 bits, can we see it in real life?


RustyBug wrote:
A Camry will get a loaf of bread, just as well as a Ferrari. It isn't until you truly push the limits of performance does the differentiation reveal itself. Otherwise, you could suggest that a 12 cylinder engine is just about marketing (if based largely on low level performance criteria), because a 6 cylinder engine gets the job done, just fine.

Maybe not the best comparison because I would rather drive a 296 GTB Speciale with a 6 cylinder than a 12 cilindri.




Jan 13, 2026 at 10:30 AM
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But when we talk about the difference between 14 bits and 16 bits, can we see it in real life?



When you push hard enough to create artifacts (or not).

There are times that I can't get my colors to transition the way I want them in 14 bit files, vs. how well they transition (when pushed) when I'm processing 16 bit files. This is a personal thing, wrt to how / where you want to land things, and from where you started.

Again, if you aren't pushing the envelope in post / ISO ... then you may not see a vast difference in "real life". That has been agreed to extensively.



Jan 13, 2026 at 10:38 AM
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RustyBug, I'm just curious and absolutely hope this doesn't come off as argumentative - what kind of photography are you doing with the Hassy at high ISO. I assume hand held since otherwise with a tripod you could shoot slower shutter and lower ISO.

If that photography is night time hand held street photography, then I think that genre alone would make a compelling case for the SL3 over Hassy.

If I was primarily into portraiture (and not the candid street portraits that I'm especially into) or landscape, then hands down I'd have the Hassy over any other camera including the SL3 or GFX. And if lighting was low enough, with that kind of subject matter, no problem at all shooting on a tripod so that aggressively pushing processing wouldn't be needed.

BTW, I'm not pushing the SL3 either as it's just not my cup of tea. I personally prefer shooting either with a rangefinder or my Q3/Q3M for street work that I'm into instead of the SL3.



Jan 13, 2026 at 04:29 PM
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brick33308 wrote:
If that photography is night time hand held street photography, then I think that genre alone would make a compelling case for the SL3 over Hassy.



Why is the SL3 a better choice for low light street photography?



Jan 13, 2026 at 08:43 PM
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RustyBug, I'm just curious and absolutely hope this doesn't come off as argumentative - what kind of photography are you doing with the Hassy at high ISO. I assume hand held since otherwise with a tripod you could shoot slower shutter and lower ISO.

If that photography is night time hand held street photography, then I think that genre alone would make a compelling case for the SL3 over Hassy.

If I was primarily into portraiture (and not the candid street portraits that I'm especially into) or landscape, then hands down I'd have the Hassy over any other camera including
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It's a reasonable question ... not perceived as argumentative. At present, it was mostly testing only (for my own edification) to assess if there was a difference that would be more readily discernible (it was) in higher ISO applications.

As to hand held (it was for testing purposes), the Hassy's native better DR and excellent IBIS could make it a fine use case for night street. I've not ventured out with it in that application (yet). But, I'd think 16 bit Hassy files would outperform 14 bit SL files, for a given exposure. Granted, the SL could mount up some faster M lenses and that would be a differentiation the Hassy might not be able to cover. But, on a apple > apples (ish), I wouldn't be too fast to dismiss the Hassy 16 bit files for hand held night work.

Come to think of it ... actually, I did use my X2D in that capacity when I went on ghost tours in Williamsburg ... i.e. no tripod at night. It worked like a champ.

Vs. the OIS of my Q2, the IBIS of the X2D and the DR of the X2D would easily be my choice over my Q2 (as it was) ... Q3M might be a close call though.



Jan 13, 2026 at 09:51 PM
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This is a terrific thread. Prefacing use case is mid-apertures for landscapes only, took the X2D/35.100 to Patagonia. Given both are already bulky and weighty, decided not to take either 21/25/45/135/20-35. Everyday probably had 3-5 shots ended up needing to post using panorama in LR; so next time definitely will take along the 28 if hiking is involved, or the 21 or 20-35 if carrying is minimal.

Prior trip was Southern India with SL3 + APO21/28-75. The APO is an amazing lens and the Leica 28-75 surprisingly delivered great results.

Subjectively preferred the HB colors than SL3’s. Didn’t use Phocus, LR only with minimal adjustments. Without a comparison side by side, could be happy with either. But the HB colors and tonality are mesmerizing. Many times when culling post trip return, looking at HB files, wow! But for Leica, it would be more like, excellent! Terrific! Ferrari vs Porsche perhaps?

Neither is perfect. Bulk and weight are the issues for carrying when on multi hour walks and hikes. Thinking about adding a Q3 43 to Q2 as solution. The Q3 43 should crop down to 15mp at 90mm, which tends to be the coverage needed for the long end. The 28 isn’t wide enough but panorama stitching in LR can cover that.

Have a M EV1 with various M lenses and it can be the more versatile solution than the Q’s, albeit in either case, will not have the HB colors.

Frankly, have too much sunk costs into HB so best to keep it and not upgrade to X2DII and use when locale demands the color fidelity. Sold the SL3 and picked up a silver SL2 at a great price for more general purpose (for example Leica for Greenland instead of HB).

Have an upcoming trip to Tasmania and New Zealand. Will take the M EV1 with 21SEM/35APO and perhaps the Q3 43 if it becomes part of the equation.

Very fortunate to have these great options available to us these days. And we’re really talking about nuances.





Jan 14, 2026 at 08:28 AM
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Apologize in advance if I'm derailing this thread. Happy to start a new thread on this... Let's please put aside ergo and menu differences (where I absolutely think the x2d ii is amazing). Would like to talk about image quality and output (to me that is the #1 criteria but ymmv). I keep hearing how the lovely the HB color fidelity and tonality are. Several adjectives have been used in this thread to describe the Hassy. - mesmerizing, terrific, accurate, etc etc ... I've searched and looked at images and I simply don't see it.. There's a lot of talk/text but very little by way of portraits with the x2d in general across the board.

Here's a shoot I did recently with the "boring" "Yuck" "Black Box" called gfx100 sII and the gf 80/1.7 and gf55. Based on what I'm hearing from x2d owners I could have probably gotten better output had I used the Hassy. Or are there any meaningful differences at all ? Please post any portraits you may have.. Genuinely interested in seeing more especially w.r.to skin tones and portrait rendering. Not looking for a war of words but images and let your eyes be the judge


































Jan 14, 2026 at 03:29 PM
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Picture This! wrote:
Apologize in advance if I'm derailing this thread. Happy to start a new thread on this... Let's please put aside ergo and menu differences (where I absolutely think the x2d ii is amazing). Would like to talk about image quality and output (to me that is the #1 criteria but ymmv). I keep hearing how the lovely the HB color fidelity and tonality are. Several adjectives have been used in this thread to describe the Hassy. - mesmerizing, terrific, accurate, etc etc ... I've searched and looked at images and I simply don't see it.. There's a lot of
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Not speaking to your images, but if (the royal) you know how to skillfully post process, it doesn't matter what camera you use.

I personally find the white balance/colors of the Hassy files to be bang on compared to GFX, which renders very cool by comparison. There is always less post work to do with the Hassy, and sometimes, even a RAW file feels edited by virtue of the color accuracy. It's always nice to wrangle less with skin tones.

You have to shoot them side by side to appreciate it. And this is not a forum rich with top-level portrait photographers, so you'll likely have to look elsewhere if you don't want to rent or invest in Hassy first.



Jan 14, 2026 at 03:37 PM
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Sure pp skills bridge gaps but let me tell you the above images had very little by way of pp (happy to show raw files). Maybe the Hassy's out of box wb is more accurate but I don't buy this whole argument about how much more color work on the gfx takes in post.


Jan 14, 2026 at 03:44 PM
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Hi Manu, I am with you on awesomeness of GFX. I had 50M version X1Dii. It was great also but I didn’t see difference in color between it and GFX50S at time.
I like its hand hold feeling. Might be the best but at the same time I actually quite like Fuji industry design language. Menu is a thing but so are any major main stream supplier.
Now, with more experience on all these gears I personally on longer treat it as must have but nice to have. Now days, I don’t dive to menu anyway for any system really either it is s1Rii, GFX1002, or GFXRF. Leica SL didn’t give some option I feel extreme handy for Fuji and Panasonic but it give me a nice layout of menu and cleaner less option in menu which again is taken or given.
At end of day, it is personal choice. For me to choose Fuji is not even due to price. Maybe it is the same for you.

No argument intended, just another perspective.



Jan 14, 2026 at 03:44 PM
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1000% Your last statement:
choosing the gfx wasn't a price based decision.



Jan 14, 2026 at 03:48 PM
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One thing I am extreme sensitive is corner vignette and funky rendering for background. This one hold me to go with hassy actually. Almost all my favorite lenses do well here: sigma 45mm, Sony RX1, otus 55, 80lux, Nikon 58, 135plena and 58mm .95


Jan 14, 2026 at 03:48 PM
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Picture This! wrote:
I don't buy this whole argument about how much more color work on the gfx takes in post.


I'm not interested arguing with someone speaking from a position of ignorance due to lack of experience. If you're truly curious, rent one with a 90V and tell us what you find.



Jan 14, 2026 at 03:51 PM
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I'm not interested arguing with someone speaking from a position of ignorance due to lack of experience. If you're truly curious, rent one with a 90V and tell us what you find.


Sure, will try one out to have first hand experience but in the interim could you educate me ?

Have you done a side by side comparison of both systems and do you have any photos to share showing out of box differences ?



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