Ayoul wrote:
Let's see the final specs, performance, size and price, but indeed it would be a mistake to think that they can successfully release, like in the old days, a few high performance monster lenses at 4000 $
Not in a world where Cosina, and even Canikonsony and Sigma, have so many high performing lenses.
" It’s definitely going to be manual focus only and I speculate the price will be around $4,000 like the original OTUS DSLR lens series." –Andrea/SAR
If some are reacting to the $4K price Andrea "speculated" on SAR, from what I've noticed recently, Andrea's price guesses are often not very accurate, at least for North America pricing. But as we get closer to release date sometimes Andrea receives and posts more accurate rumor information. We shall see.
LBJ2 wrote:
[...]smaller than I expected based upon the lens we saw in the first video Zeiss leaked on instagram with the photographer in China. Does this point to more than one focal length for this new Zeiss system?
I think so. You could see the aperture scale for a fraction of a second in the teaser video and I then guessed it matched an 85 or 100mm lens.
Now lets, see... 2025, manual focus, 50mm f1.4 and USD 4000? (The CV50/2 APO-Lanthar is USD 900) Now the 4K price tag seems to be made up by the rumour site. Hopefully the new Zeiss is more closer to 2K than 4K.
The Otus lens family released in 2013 was expected to be a financial loss, even with the high prices, but Zeiss decided to do it anyway. Creating such a product line was not about making money but making a statement, setting a milestone in lens development. And with this they succeeded as developing these kind of high end uber-lenses soon became something every manufacturer has tried after that (and often declared that their products are on par with the Zeiss Otus lenses).
Now that Zeiss has decided to create another Otus lens family, I expect the aim to be similar, not have another competitive product for market (they'll let chinese companies to chase that), but to make a statement. This time it might not be about the sharpness and corrections (been there, done that), it might be about creating lenses with artistic competence. If one has followed their work with the Supreme Primes, it's all about translating aesthetics preferences of cinematographers in to optical science with a detail probably never seen before.
LBJ2 wrote:
"Otus ML lenses…Signature ZEISS Distagon and Sonnar designs... E/RF/Z mounts"
"− 1.4/50: 77 x 100mm, 677g
So, GBP 2100 minus VAT and converted to USD ► USD 1750 (and probably a little less than that as the Sony European prices are on the higher side.
(For Sweden GBP 2100 minus VAT plus MOMS ► SEK 29 500. That is 2.5 times the local price of the CV 50/2 APO.)
Looks more like the Zony 1.4/50 than the classic Otus. Fine with me, at least not the lint roller design
Zeiss never investigated, clarified and solved the lens protocol problem of the Loxia lenses with Sony bodies (zoom exiting due to aperture readout variance). I love my Loxias on my S3 and RV bodies and use them almost daily albeit that completely unacceptable behavior. Do we have confidence the new baby Otii won‘t have this erratic behavior on the E-mount?
No 28mm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would have love to have the 1.4/28 in the first wave
Jonas B wrote:
So, GBP 2100 minus VAT and converted to USD ► USD 1750 (and probably a little less than that as the Sony European prices are on the higher side.
(For Sweden GBP 2100 minus VAT plus MOMS ► SEK 29 500. That is 2.5 times the local price of the CV 50/2 APO.)
Welcome back Zeiss! Who else could bring ...yet another 50 and 85mm lenses to the mirrorless market with such excitement and anticipation! Although I continue to think Zeiss never left the market ( not very popular forum-thought I know)
Having purchased Batis lenses when first released, "USD 1750" +/- is not to me, unexpected for Zeiss price range, even for MF-only.
Now I wait to see w/ anticipation if there is some truly unique "look" that can be produced by these new Zeiss Otus ML lenses!
Unimpressed so far. I’d rather take native Voigtlanders or Zeiss, adapt M mount Voigtlanders or Zeiss, or adapt DSLR Zeiss, especially at these focal lengths and weights.
Maybe this was easy to do with their experience on cinema primes, but I’m not sure they get the stills market anymore.
p.9 #10 · ZEISS Otus ML line officially announced!
No doubt that these will be exceptional lenses. They're big, heavy and beautiful. I have no need for an f/1.4 MF lens, especially an 85mm. I just can't focus well enough to make it work. I've tried, many times; I mean, I want to be able to do it, but it's AF for me passed 50mm.
I already have the Loxia 25 & 85 as my main landscape lenses, so I'll do with these what I did with the Otus lenses - admire other folks' great work from the sidelines.
p.9 #12 · ZEISS Otus ML line officially announced!
The good news is it's not just a single focal length. The bad news is there isn't a wide today.
Looking from a more abstract perspective it appears they could pull off up to about a 135mm f/1.4 with this design direction. But we'll have time before that goes.
Going with a very standard 50mm focal length, it makes me wonder if this will be a more straight forward set down the line of 25 and 35 rather than say 21 and 28 and probably another intermediate focal length. Interesting choice on that particular front.
Pricing I think is fine, the performance will 100% need to be there as there's competition directly with every mount they are making these for. Something the original Otus set didn't exactly experience on legacy DSLR sets.
Hoping for well corrected and high quality glass at the end of the day here. I'll buy and test them, but fingers are crossed. Harder for me to choose a mount these days, but it will be Z or RF in my specific case.
p.9 #13 · ZEISS Otus ML line officially announced!
PhilH wrote:
The good news is it's not just a single focal length. The bad news is there isn't a wide today.
Looking from a more abstract perspective it appears they could pull off up to about a 135mm f/1.4 with this design direction. But we'll have time before that goes.
Going with a very standard 50mm focal length, it makes me wonder if this will be a more straight forward set down the line of 25 and 35 rather than say 21 and 28 and probably another intermediate focal length. Interesting choice on that particular front.
Pricing I think is fine, the performance will 100% need to be there as there's competition directly with every mount they are making these for. Something the original Otus set didn't exactly experience on legacy DSLR sets.
Hoping for well corrected and high quality glass at the end of the day here. I'll buy and test them, but fingers are crossed. Harder for me to choose a mount these days, but it will be Z or RF in my specific case....Show more →
I had hopes for Zeiss L-mount but Zeiss and L-mount coexistence might be more complex than just adding another mount type.
p.9 #15 · ZEISS Otus ML line officially announced!
LBJ2 wrote:
I had hopes for Zeiss L-mount but Zeiss and L-mount coexistence might be more complex than just adding another mount type.
I'll inquire about this with Zeiss. I don't see much in the way of them making L-Mount glass. E is obvious, RF and Z required agreements and/or licensing to do.
I suspect the omission of L is more due to volume of cameras on the market, even combined across brands. But hard to know.
p.9 #16 · ZEISS Otus ML line officially announced!
In that leaked photo, they don't to me look to really be bigger than Loxias, which is *way* *way* smaller than the SLR Otus. I realize the constrains of SLR vs. mirrorless are different, but you don't see anything close to an Otus[SLR]->Loxia size reduction between similar CaNikon SLR & mirrorless lenses. So it seems hard to believe that these are going to be Otus-level in correction and sharpness. Gotta wonder whether these are really more "Milvus Mirrorless" but using the more-highly-regarded Otus name (and external cosmetic design) for marketing reasons...or if Zeiss have pulled off some Leica-level engineering and reached a level of miniaturization that has never previously been in their wheelhouse. We probably shouldn't guess which it is until a price is confirmed.
p.9 #17 · ZEISS Otus ML line officially announced!
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the specs have leaked... The new Otus 85/1.4 is only 1cm shorter, 1cm narrower and less than 100g lighter than the old Otus 85. It's still a very large lens. The new 50mm is quite a bit smaller than the old Otus 55mm, but it's roughly similar in size to the Sony 50/1.2 GM.
Lee Saxon wrote:
In that leaked photo, they don't to me look to really be bigger than Loxias, which is *way* *way* smaller than the SLR Otus. I realize the constrains of SLR vs. mirrorless are different, but you don't see anything close to an Otus[SLR]->Loxia size reduction between similar CaNikon SLR & mirrorless lenses. So it seems hard to believe that these are going to be Otus-level in correction and sharpness. Gotta wonder whether these are really more "Milvus Mirrorless" but using the more-highly-regarded Otus name (and external cosmetic design) for marketing reasons...or if Zeiss have pulled off some Leica-level engineering and reached a level of miniaturization that has never previously been in their wheelhouse. We probably shouldn't guess which it is until a price is confirmed....Show more →
p.9 #18 · ZEISS Otus ML line officially announced!
PhilH wrote:
I'll inquire about this with Zeiss. I don't see much in the way of them making L-Mount glass. E is obvious, RF and Z required agreements and/or licensing to do.
I suspect the omission of L is more due to volume of cameras on the market, even combined across brands. But hard to know.
Physically, L Mount is certainly possible.
By complex, I was thinking similar to what you wrote regarding L-mount position in the market( sales) but also L-mount Alliance requirements. Either way thank you for bringing up L-mount with Zeiss for consideration. 👍🏼
"Otus ML lenses…Apochromat...Signature ZEISS Distagon and Sonnar designs... E/RF/Z mounts"
"− 1.4/50: 77 x 100mm, 677g
− 1.4/85: 88 x 113mm,1040g."
Interesting if this rumor is correct. Neither the price nor the size would rule them out for me. I would consider both of these and if they performed well enough I might get them. I enjoy small lenses especially when traveling, but these aren't so big that I would rule them out when I am less concerned about weight. Once upon a time I had both the Otus 28 and 55 and thought both were excellent all around lenses, but very large.
The 50 is a lot smaller than the 55 that was around 1000g and 127mm long in a DSLR mount, which should allow a shorter lens with its longer registration distance.
The 85 is smaller but not as much smaller. The DSLR version weighed around 1200g and was 124mm in a DSLR mount.
