p.3 #3 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
It appears that there are improvements in PDAF performance while using video, and improvements in performance at very high ISO settings, when compared to the SL2-S and the SL3, when shooting still images.
Video has not been very important, to me, thus far, but, that could well change, in the future. Now and then, still image performance at high ISO in very low light certainly has been important, at which times my Nikon D5 has been the go-to tool to use. A Nikon Z8/Z9 would, of course, be logical cameras for me to consider, but, there is the added factor of the most excellent Leica APO Summicron-SL 35mm ASPH, which has been on my mind, for a while. The SL3-S would use this lens, natively, and readily use my M lenses, with an adapter. Personally, nothing is certain, but, well, planets are starting to align, with the SL3-S exerting a previously-unobserved gravitational factor.
p.3 #5 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
RexGig0 wrote:
It appears that there are improvements in PDAF performance while using video, and improvements in performance at very high ISO settings, when compared to the SL2-S and the SL3, when shooting still images.
Video has not been very important, to me, thus far, but, that could well change, in the future. Now and then, still image performance at high ISO in very low light certainly has been important, at which times my Nikon D5 has been the go-to tool to use. A Nikon Z8/Z9 would, of course, be logical cameras for me to consider, but, there is the added factor of the most excellent Leica APO Summicron-SL 35mm ASPH, which has been on my mind, for a while. The SL3-S would use this lens, natively, and readily use my M lenses, with an adapter. Personally, nothing is certain, but, well, planets are starting to align, with the SL3-S exerting a previously-unobserved gravitational factor.
I can guarantee you the improvements at high ISO over the SL2-S will be extremely small. The SL2-S was already mind-blowing at high-iso performance, heads and shoulders above other comparable cameras. If the video improvements hold little value to you, I would honestly save the money for the 35 APO and just pick up an SL2-S.
p.3 #12 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
I thought the sensor was the same as the one in the Panasonic S5 II? The specs look identical.
And the performance advantage in terms of autofocus is said to be marginal when using the SL Apo lenses. There’s just too much heavy glass with motors that are too slow in those lenses.
Currently, I see the SL2 or SL2-S as more attractive cameras purely for adapting M lenses (in my case). The prices are likely to drop further in the coming weeks. At the moment, you can increasingly find offers in the range of €2,100–2,300 for both models.
The only downside: The SL2 models don’t offer support for very low or very high shooting positions. Even my old M, with the Visoflex, can be used like a waist-level viewfinder for low-angle shots without needing to lie on the ground 😄
p.3 #14 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
I still can’t quote people… sooooo…
To the people spending $5k on Leicas to only use it for “film” is a statement I am laughing at. Film has significantly more detail than a measly 24MP. Even 35mm film. Get a high res scan (or better yet, actually print the photos with an enlarger,) and it’ll blow 24MP out of the water
p.3 #16 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
Flash/Gordon… nice dig there. Great community building while adding value.
But you’re right, just a lowly Hasselblad shooter. And I print my photos. So I don’t really care how “good” the lenses are, I need the resolution as well as a good lens.
p.3 #17 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
DEpointfive0 wrote:
To Pingflood:
Not sure I understand your first point
To B: I feel like most Leicas have 50-60mp, not just the SL3
First point clarification: e.g. the APO Summicron 35 will do more to your image than just ultimate sharpness. Lenses render in a certain manner and that is generally something that will affect your image no matter the sensor resolution. If that wasn't the case we wouldn't see any differences in lenses used when looking at web published images.
p.3 #18 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
DEpointfive0 wrote:
I still can’t quote people… sooooo…
To the people spending $5k on Leicas to only use it for “film” is a statement I am laughing at. Film has significantly more detail than a measly 24MP. Even 35mm film. Get a high res scan (or better yet, actually print the photos with an enlarger,) and it’ll blow 24MP out of the water
When it comes to printed images many are of the opinion that lens quality is much more important than sensor resolution. After all the higher quality, and more detal in a print the more defeciencies in a lens is visible. You cant fix what has been recorded on the sensor. You may want to spend a few minutes and watch this to be better informed about printing and the benefits or lack thereof of megapixels.
p.3 #19 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
1bwana1 wrote:
When it comes to printed images many are of the opinion that lens quality is much more important than sensor resolution. After all the higher quality, and more detal in a print the more defeciencies in a lens is visible. You cant fix what has been recorded on the sensor. You may want to spend a few minutes and watch this to be better informed about printing and the benefits or lack thereof of megapixels.
I could not agree more. I've shot the same picture at the same time with a PEN-F, a Ricoh GRIIIX and a Leica M11 then printed it in A3+ format.
One cannot set them apart.
In fact, I stop obsessing about gear many years ago and nowadays, most cameras are way beyond what we need to produce excellent print.
I was looking at my old DMR & M9 pictures and they are still incredible. Even my Panasonic GM5 is more than enough most of the time.
p.3 #20 · Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced!
pmeheut wrote:
I could not agree more. I've shot the same picture at the same time with a PEN-F, a Ricoh GRIIIX and a Leica M11 then printed it in A3+ format.
One cannot set them apart.
In fact, I stop obsessing about gear many years ago and nowadays, most cameras are way beyond what we need to produce excellent print.
I was looking at my old DMR & M9 pictures and they are still incredible. Even my Panasonic GM5 is more than enough most of the time.
I can say that when it comes to particularly older m43 cameras I personally think the images out of them are lovely but they have noticeably worse DR than newer cameras and the highlight blowouts can be a bit harsh and unpleasant. But the colors and overall “feel” out of a GX1 or something similar are great.
