Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
p.13 #1Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
Both the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph I and Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II are 6 element lenses. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is a 5 element and so is the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph.
A few samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II
https://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-canada-pre-asph-summicron-90mm-f-2-t84612.html
I thought Matt Osborne owned a Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, but now I am starting to second guess that and wonder if he owns a different version.
Jonas Rask review with samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III
https://jonasraskphotography.com/2015/03/23/ze-razor-a-leica-summicron-m-90mm-f2-review/
What I see in common whether it's a M v2 or v2 or R are the following characteristics:
1) Under corrected spherical aberration bokeh. (Smooth and creamy).
2) Fast fall off from the point of focus.
3) High detail resolution but lower micro contrast. This takes the harshness away from pores and fine hairs.
4) Saturated pastel colors especially at wider apertures due to under corrected spherical aberrations.
Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
Both the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph I and Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II are 6 element lenses. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is a 5 element and so is the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph.
A few samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II
https://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-canada-pre-asph-summicron-90mm-f-2-t84612.html
I thought Matt Osborne owned a Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, but now I am starting to second guess that and wonder if he owns a different version.
Jonas Rask review with samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III
https://jonasraskphotography.com/2015/03/23/ze-razor-a-leica-summicron-m-90mm-f2-review/
What I see in common whether it's a M v2 or v2 or R are the following characteristics:
1) Under corrected spherical aberration bokeh. (Smooth and creamy).
2) Fast fall off from the point of focus.
3) High detail resolution but lower micro contrast. This takes the harshness away from pores and fine hairs.
4) Saturated pastel colors especially at wider apertures due to under corrected spherical aberrations.
Mar 11, 2025 at 08:58 PM
p.13 #2Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Steve Spencer wrote:
The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II is the best performing pre-asph. It has a hills and valleys focus ring. It's a heavy lens at 685 grams and not small in size. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is the most similar in design to the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph. It is lighter than version 2, but not a light lens at 475 grams for the black one. None of the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph lenses are small in size.
I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.Another important differences between the Leica R version and the Leica M versions is the Leica R version has eight aperture blades which results in octagons in stopped down bokeh balls, whereas the Leica M version has 11 curved aperture blades and IMO, nicer stopped down bokeh balls, although I don't know if these blades make ninja star type bokeh balls at some apertures.
If people are interested in this lens, then it might be worth reading what Erwin Puts has to say about it in his "Leica M lens their soul and secrets." He covers the earlier 6...Show more →
Thank you, Steve.
The Leica 90/2 pre-ASPH optical design shown in the PDF is for the v3. The v1 and v2, with their 6-element double-Gauss design, have a different character. I think I might enjoy that optical design more, but I’m unsure due to the limited number of samples available online.
Fred Miranda wrote
cbass wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Thanks for the info! I'm not too familiar with the different versions, but I just picked up a Leica Summicron-M 90mm f/2 (E55) in black anodized with the model number 11136. It has "Leitz" on the front instead of "Leica" and there’s no E55 engraving, so I’m unsure which version this is. I had been wanting to try the much bigger and heavier Canada version because of its double Gauss optical design, but it’s just too heavy at 650 grams.I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
If people are interested in this lens, then it might be worth reading what Erwin Puts has to say about it in his "Leica M lens their soul and secrets." He covers the earlier 6...Show more →
Thank you, Steve.
The Leica 90/2 pre-ASPH optical design shown in the PDF is for the v3. The v1 and v2, with their 6-element double-Gauss design, have a different character. I think I might enjoy that optical design more, but I’m unsure due to the limited number of samples available online.
Mar 11, 2025 at 09:18 PM
p.13 #3Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
cbass wrote:
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.Both the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph I and Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II are 6 element lenses. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is a 5 element and so is the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph.
A few samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II
https://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-canada-pre-asph-summicron-90mm-f-2-t84612.html
I thought Matt Osborne owned a Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, but now I am starting to second guess that and wonder if he owns a different version.
Jonas Rask review with samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III
https://jonasraskphotography.com/2015/03/23/ze-razor-a-leica-summicron-m-90mm-f2-review/
What I see in common whether it's a M v2 or v2 or R are the following characteristics:
1) Under corrected spherical aberration bokeh. (Smooth and creamy).
2) Fast fall...Show more →
Great links! Matt’s images are beautiful, though a bit over-processed, which makes it harder to evaluate the lens’s true rendering, including outlining, glow, and coma. I still do not have a clear sense of how the 6-element version performs with subjects at mid and long distances or how much chromatic aberration it produces. I might as well pick up the v2 since it is a bargain anyway.
Fred Miranda wrote
Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
A few samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II
https://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-canada-pre-asph-summicron-90mm-f-2-t84612.html
I thought Matt Osborne owned a Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, but now I am starting to second guess that and wonder if he owns a different version.
Jonas Rask review with samples from Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III
https://jonasraskphotography.com/2015/03/23/ze-razor-a-leica-summicron-m-90mm-f2-review/
What I see in common whether it's a M v2 or v2 or R are the following characteristics:
1) Under corrected spherical aberration bokeh. (Smooth and creamy).
2) Fast fall...Show more →
Great links! Matt’s images are beautiful, though a bit over-processed, which makes it harder to evaluate the lens’s true rendering, including outlining, glow, and coma. I still do not have a clear sense of how the 6-element version performs with subjects at mid and long distances or how much chromatic aberration it produces. I might as well pick up the v2 since it is a bargain anyway.
Mar 11, 2025 at 09:24 PM
p.13 #4Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
Great links! Matt’s images are beautiful, though a bit over-processed, which makes it harder to evaluate the lens’s true rendering, including outlining, glow, and coma. I still do not have a clear sense of how the 6-element version performs with subjects at mid and long distances or how much chromatic aberration it produces. I might as well pick up the v2 since it is a bargain anyway.
I don't know of any link that does in depth testing at different distances. The only place I have seen that is on Fred Miranda with testing done by Fred Miranda.
I can provide you the MTF charts between different versions, but those are I believe at infinity. Thus, it will not tell you about performance at other distances or chromatic aberrations. Both the APO-Summicron and the last Elmarit-R 90 are superior technically over the Summicron 90 pre-asph. I just love how it draws portraits, but your preferences may vary. There is a lot of spherical aberrations and glow at f/2 on the pre-asph. There is a noticeable improvement at f/2.8 and at f/4 it becomes incredibly sharp.
Great links! Matt’s images are beautiful, though a bit over-processed, which makes it harder to evaluate the lens’s true rendering, including outlining, glow, and coma. I still do not have a clear sense of how the 6-element version performs with subjects at mid and long distances or how much chromatic aberration it produces. I might as well pick up the v2 since it is a bargain anyway.
I don't know of any link that does in depth testing at different distances. The only place I have seen that is on Fred Miranda with testing done by Fred Miranda.
I can provide you the MTF charts between different versions, but those are I believe at infinity. Thus, it will not tell you about performance at other distances or chromatic aberrations. Both the APO-Summicron and the last Elmarit-R 90 are superior technically over the Summicron 90 pre-asph. I just love how it draws portraits, but your preferences may vary. There is a lot of spherical aberrations and glow at f/2 on the pre-asph. There is a noticeable improvement at f/2.8 and at f/4 it becomes incredibly sharp. Mar 12, 2025 at 10:57 AM
p.13 #5Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Some JPG samples, really great lens
Mar 13, 2025 at 10:06 PM
p.13 #6Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II is the best performing pre-asph. It has a hills and valleys focus ring. It's a heavy lens at 685 grams and not small in size. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is the most similar in design to the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph. It is lighter than version 2, but not a light lens at 475 grams for the black one. None of the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph lenses are small in size.
I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
I think you’re going to be quite surprised with the 90 Cron VIII. It isn’t as sharp as the Voigt 90 APO in center but as you get to the edges the 90 Cron Pre ASPH is much sharper. Has a wonderful softness at the same time that is extremely flattering for portraits. Much less contrast than the Voigt, totally different look. I also have a Canon 100 f/2 Serenar which renders very similarly to the Pre ASPH and is my go to for portraits
cbass wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Thanks for the info! I'm not too familiar with the different versions, but I just picked up a Leica Summicron-M 90mm f/2 (E55) in black anodized with the model number 11136. It has "Leitz" on the front instead of "Leica" and there’s no E55 engraving, so I’m unsure which version this is. I had been wanting to try the much bigger and heavier Canada version because of its double Gauss optical design, but it’s just too heavy at 650 grams.I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
I think you’re going to be quite surprised with the 90 Cron VIII. It isn’t as sharp as the Voigt 90 APO in center but as you get to the edges the 90 Cron Pre ASPH is much sharper. Has a wonderful softness at the same time that is extremely flattering for portraits. Much less contrast than the Voigt, totally different look. I also have a Canon 100 f/2 Serenar which renders very similarly to the Pre ASPH and is my go to for portraits
Mar 14, 2025 at 04:59 AM
p.13 #7Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Do you guys use VF magnifier with 90mm? The framelines are so narrow, it’s going to be hard to nail focus
Mar 14, 2025 at 06:03 AM
p.13 #8Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Nick YR wrote:
Do you guys use VF magnifier with 90mm? The framelines are so narrow, it’s going to be hard to nail focus
I don't; and in fact, find it snappy to focus since focus throw is not too long (so not going back-n-forth umpteen number of times). Framing is something I still need to get used to.
Do you guys use VF magnifier with 90mm? The framelines are so narrow, it’s going to be hard to nail focus
I don't; and in fact, find it snappy to focus since focus throw is not too long (so not going back-n-forth umpteen number of times). Framing is something I still need to get used to.
Mar 14, 2025 at 06:56 AM
p.13 #9Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
rsolti13 wrote:
The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II is the best performing pre-asph. It has a hills and valleys focus ring. It's a heavy lens at 685 grams and not small in size. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is the most similar in design to the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph. It is lighter than version 2, but not a light lens at 475 grams for the black one. None of the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph lenses are small in size.
I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.I think you’re going to be quite surprised with the 90 Cron VIII. It isn’t as sharp as the Voigt 90 APO in center but as you get to the edges the 90 Cron Pre ASPH is much sharper. Has a wonderful softness at the same time that is extremely flattering for portraits. Much less contrast than the Voigt, totally different look. I also have a Canon 100 f/2 Serenar which renders very similarly to the Pre ASPH and is my go to for portraits
It would be truly incredible if the pre-APO resolution and contrast are higher than the APO at the edges. I haven’t found any lens as good as the Leica 90mm f/2 AA at the edges, not even Leica’s own SL 90mm f/2 APO, which only matches it at f/5.6. The SL performs better at wider apertures, but once stopped down, the Leica M is just outstanding.
Fred Miranda wrote
cbass wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Thanks for the info! I'm not too familiar with the different versions, but I just picked up a Leica Summicron-M 90mm f/2 (E55) in black anodized with the model number 11136. It has "Leitz" on the front instead of "Leica" and there’s no E55 engraving, so I’m unsure which version this is. I had been wanting to try the much bigger and heavier Canada version because of its double Gauss optical design, but it’s just too heavy at 650 grams.I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
It would be truly incredible if the pre-APO resolution and contrast are higher than the APO at the edges. I haven’t found any lens as good as the Leica 90mm f/2 AA at the edges, not even Leica’s own SL 90mm f/2 APO, which only matches it at f/5.6. The SL performs better at wider apertures, but once stopped down, the Leica M is just outstanding.
Mar 14, 2025 at 10:56 AM
p.13 #10Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II is the best performing pre-asph. It has a hills and valleys focus ring. It's a heavy lens at 685 grams and not small in size. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is the most similar in design to the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph. It is lighter than version 2, but not a light lens at 475 grams for the black one. None of the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph lenses are small in size.
I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.I think you’re going to be quite surprised with the 90 Cron VIII. It isn’t as sharp as the Voigt 90 APO in center but as you get to the edges the 90 Cron Pre ASPH is much sharper. Has a wonderful softness at the same time that is extremely flattering for portraits. Much less contrast than the Voigt, totally different look. I also have a Canon 100 f/2 Serenar which renders very similarly to the Pre ASPH and is my go to for portraitsIt would be truly incredible if the pre-APO resolution and contrast are higher than the APO at the edges. I haven’t found any lens as good as the Leica 90mm f/2 AA at the edges, not even Leica’s own SL 90mm f/2 APO, which only matches it at f/5.6. The SL performs better at wider apertures, but once stopped down, the Leica M is just outstanding.
not the contrast, just the resolution is superior to the Voigtlander 90 f/2 APO
rsolti13 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
cbass wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Thanks for the info! I'm not too familiar with the different versions, but I just picked up a Leica Summicron-M 90mm f/2 (E55) in black anodized with the model number 11136. It has "Leitz" on the front instead of "Leica" and there’s no E55 engraving, so I’m unsure which version this is. I had been wanting to try the much bigger and heavier Canada version because of its double Gauss optical design, but it’s just too heavy at 650 grams.I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
not the contrast, just the resolution is superior to the Voigtlander 90 f/2 APO
Mar 14, 2025 at 11:03 AM
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p.13 #11Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
It would be truly incredible if the pre-APO resolution and contrast are higher than the APO at the edges. I haven’t found any lens as good as the Leica 90mm f/2 AA at the edges, not even Leica’s own SL 90mm f/2 APO, which only matches it at f/5.6. The SL performs better at wider apertures, but once stopped down, the Leica M is just outstanding.
It won't be. The APO-Summicron 90 is a virtually perfect lens except for some astigmatism wide open. If you like perfect, then there isn't much to improve here. I think what the OP was trying to say is the pre-asph is a pretty planar lens so performance is even from center into the corners. It won't beat the APO-Summicron in any way technically. The pre-asph is about liking how the aberrations effect the final image especially for portraits.
It would be truly incredible if the pre-APO resolution and contrast are higher than the APO at the edges. I haven’t found any lens as good as the Leica 90mm f/2 AA at the edges, not even Leica’s own SL 90mm f/2 APO, which only matches it at f/5.6. The SL performs better at wider apertures, but once stopped down, the Leica M is just outstanding.
It won't be. The APO-Summicron 90 is a virtually perfect lens except for some astigmatism wide open. If you like perfect, then there isn't much to improve here. I think what the OP was trying to say is the pre-asph is a pretty planar lens so performance is even from center into the corners. It won't beat the APO-Summicron in any way technically. The pre-asph is about liking how the aberrations effect the final image especially for portraits.
Mar 14, 2025 at 11:18 AM
p.13 #12Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
rsolti13 wrote:
The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II is the best performing pre-asph. It has a hills and valleys focus ring. It's a heavy lens at 685 grams and not small in size. The Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III is the most similar in design to the Summicron-R 90 pre-asph. It is lighter than version 2, but not a light lens at 475 grams for the black one. None of the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph lenses are small in size.
I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.Thank you so much! So, the version I purchased is the version 3, which is similar to the "R" in terms of performance and rendering. I've always been curious about the larger 6-element version, which you mentioned is actually the "v2". (I initially thought it was the v1).
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.I think you’re going to be quite surprised with the 90 Cron VIII. It isn’t as sharp as the Voigt 90 APO in center but as you get to the edges the 90 Cron Pre ASPH is much sharper. Has a wonderful softness at the same time that is extremely flattering for portraits. Much less contrast than the Voigt, totally different look. I also have a Canon 100 f/2 Serenar which renders very similarly to the Pre ASPH and is my go to for portraitsIt would be truly incredible if the pre-APO resolution and contrast are higher than the APO at the edges. I haven’t found any lens as good as the Leica 90mm f/2 AA at the edges, not even Leica’s own SL 90mm f/2 APO, which only matches it at f/5.6. The SL performs better at wider apertures, but once stopped down, the Leica M is just outstanding.not the contrast, just the resolution is superior to the Voigtlander 90 f/2 APO
I’m definitely curious to compare the Leica 90mm f/2 pre-ASPH, APO-ASPH, and Voigtländer APO side by side now!
Fred Miranda wrote
rsolti13 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
cbass wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Thanks for the info! I'm not too familiar with the different versions, but I just picked up a Leica Summicron-M 90mm f/2 (E55) in black anodized with the model number 11136. It has "Leitz" on the front instead of "Leica" and there’s no E55 engraving, so I’m unsure which version this is. I had been wanting to try the much bigger and heavier Canada version because of its double Gauss optical design, but it’s just too heavy at 650 grams.I went with the R version because I planned to adapt it. On a rangefinder it seems that the coupling for the 90mm focal length is not great, and the M versions are larger lenses to the R. The R is also unique as it has a close focus distance of 0.7 m. There aren't many lenses of any brand that focus that close in the 85-105mm focal length. The R is also much small physically over the M. It is, however, not a light lens either at 560 grams.
From what I have seen the Summicron-M 90 pre-asph II, Summicron-M 90 pre-asph III and Summicron-R 90 pre-asph render quite similar with minor differences.
I haven't seen many samples from it -- If you know some, please share the link!
Since I primarily use the Leica M and rangefinder focusing, the v3 seemed like the best "compromise". I’m excited to compare it to the APO version.
I’m definitely curious to compare the Leica 90mm f/2 pre-ASPH, APO-ASPH, and Voigtländer APO side by side now!
Mar 14, 2025 at 02:24 PM
p.13 #13Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Here is the Leica 90mm f/2 pre-ASPH compared to the 90mm f/2 APO-ASPH according to Leica’s MTF charts.
Based on these graphs, there is no contest as the APO clearly outperforms in resolution and contrast at the corners. Center is similar at f/5.6 though.
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Based on these graphs, there is no contest as the APO clearly outperforms in resolution and contrast at the corners. Center is similar at f/5.6 though.
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Mar 14, 2025 at 02:27 PM
p.13 #14Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Just received the Leica 90mm f/2 Cron pre-ASPH v3. It's the same size and weight as my Leica 90/2 APO-ASPH, 483g (measured). Interesting how both have almost identical barrel designs. I got lucky with this pre-ASPH copy since it’s perfectly aligned to the RF, just like my APO.
Mar 15, 2025 at 11:54 AM
p.13 #15Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
I just took the Leica 90/2 Cron pre-asph for a spin to confirm the RF adjustment and check things like rendering, CA, and more. My first impression is that it’s easier to focus with the RF because the focus throw is longer compared to the APO version. I was able to nail all the subjects perfectly without any issues, which I can’t quite do with the APO. Here are a few test shots I took around my neighborhood, mostly with subjects centered to ensure the RF was spot on.
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.
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Mar 15, 2025 at 02:09 PM
p.13 #16Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just took the Leica 90/2 Cron pre-asph for a spin to confirm the RF adjustment and check things like rendering, CA, and more. My first impression is that it’s easier to focus with the RF because the focus throw is longer compared to the APO version. I was able to nail all the subjects perfectly without any issues, which I can’t quite do with the APO. Here are a few test shots I took around my neighborhood, mostly with subjects centered to ensure the RF was spot on.
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights...Show more →
100% you said it better than me. Love it for portraits because of the exact comments you mentioned. It is sharp across the image, just has much lower contrast and a little glow the APOs don't have. Part of my test between this lens and the Voigt APO was how accurate I could focus in normal situations. The Voigt APO was significantly more difficult to focus because of the short throw compared to the Cron. Great pics!
I just took the Leica 90/2 Cron pre-asph for a spin to confirm the RF adjustment and check things like rendering, CA, and more. My first impression is that it’s easier to focus with the RF because the focus throw is longer compared to the APO version. I was able to nail all the subjects perfectly without any issues, which I can’t quite do with the APO. Here are a few test shots I took around my neighborhood, mostly with subjects centered to ensure the RF was spot on.
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights...Show more →
100% you said it better than me. Love it for portraits because of the exact comments you mentioned. It is sharp across the image, just has much lower contrast and a little glow the APOs don't have. Part of my test between this lens and the Voigt APO was how accurate I could focus in normal situations. The Voigt APO was significantly more difficult to focus because of the short throw compared to the Cron. Great pics!
Mar 15, 2025 at 02:19 PM
p.13 #17Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
rsolti13 wrote:
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.100% you said it better than me. Love it for portraits because of the exact comments you mentioned. It is sharp across the image, just has much lower contrast and a little glow the APOs don't have. Part of my test between this lens and the Voigt APO was how accurate I could focus in normal situations. The Voigt APO was significantly more difficult to focus because of the short throw compared to the Cron. Great pics!
I prefer telephoto lenses without aspherical elements since specular highlights tend to be larger and more noticeable in the rendering. Any traces of onion ring effects also stand out more. Great reasons for choosing the Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO or the Leica 90/2 pre-apsh lenses.
Fred Miranda wrote
I just took the Leica 90/2 Cron pre-asph for a spin to confirm the RF adjustment and check things like rendering, CA, and more. My first impression is that it’s easier to focus with the RF because the focus throw is longer compared to the APO version. I was able to nail all the subjects perfectly without any issues, which I can’t quite do with the APO. Here are a few test shots I took around my neighborhood, mostly with subjects centered to ensure the RF was spot on.The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.
I prefer telephoto lenses without aspherical elements since specular highlights tend to be larger and more noticeable in the rendering. Any traces of onion ring effects also stand out more. Great reasons for choosing the Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO or the Leica 90/2 pre-apsh lenses.
Mar 15, 2025 at 05:15 PM
p.13 #18Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.100% you said it better than me. Love it for portraits because of the exact comments you mentioned. It is sharp across the image, just has much lower contrast and a little glow the APOs don't have. Part of my test between this lens and the Voigt APO was how accurate I could focus in normal situations. The Voigt APO was significantly more difficult to focus because of the short throw compared to the Cron. Great pics!I prefer telephoto lenses without aspherical elements since specular highlights tend to be larger and more noticeable in the rendering. Any traces of onion ring effects also stand out more. Great reasons for choosing the Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO or the Leica 90/2 pre-apsh lenses.
+1 ASPH onion rings can be a bummer. I'd rather have a bit of undercorrection / SA than strong onion rings. One ASPH element well placed can be tolerable, but multiple ASPH elements tend to get a little much for my taste.
Yummy to eat, but not a fan in my pics.
rsolti13 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I just took the Leica 90/2 Cron pre-asph for a spin to confirm the RF adjustment and check things like rendering, CA, and more. My first impression is that it’s easier to focus with the RF because the focus throw is longer compared to the APO version. I was able to nail all the subjects perfectly without any issues, which I can’t quite do with the APO. Here are a few test shots I took around my neighborhood, mostly with subjects centered to ensure the RF was spot on.The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.
+1 ASPH onion rings can be a bummer. I'd rather have a bit of undercorrection / SA than strong onion rings. One ASPH element well placed can be tolerable, but multiple ASPH elements tend to get a little much for my taste.
Yummy to eat, but not a fan in my pics.
Mar 16, 2025 at 07:58 AM
p.13 #19Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
RustyBug wrote:
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.100% you said it better than me. Love it for portraits because of the exact comments you mentioned. It is sharp across the image, just has much lower contrast and a little glow the APOs don't have. Part of my test between this lens and the Voigt APO was how accurate I could focus in normal situations. The Voigt APO was significantly more difficult to focus because of the short throw compared to the Cron. Great pics!I prefer telephoto lenses without aspherical elements since specular highlights tend to be larger and more noticeable in the rendering. Any traces of onion ring effects also stand out more. Great reasons for choosing the Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO or the Leica 90/2 pre-apsh lenses.+1 ASPH onion rings can be a bummer. I'd rather have a bit of undercorrection / SA than strong onion rings. One ASPH element well placed can be tolerable, but multiple ASPH elements tend to get a little much for my taste.
Yummy to eat, but not a fan in my pics.
You probably wouldn’t be a fan of the original Leica 50mm f/1.2 Noctilux or the Light Lens Lab version. The onion-ring bokeh in those lenses has to be seen as part of their "character".
Fred Miranda wrote
rsolti13 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I just took the Leica 90/2 Cron pre-asph for a spin to confirm the RF adjustment and check things like rendering, CA, and more. My first impression is that it’s easier to focus with the RF because the focus throw is longer compared to the APO version. I was able to nail all the subjects perfectly without any issues, which I can’t quite do with the APO. Here are a few test shots I took around my neighborhood, mostly with subjects centered to ensure the RF was spot on.The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.
Yummy to eat, but not a fan in my pics.
You probably wouldn’t be a fan of the original Leica 50mm f/1.2 Noctilux or the Light Lens Lab version. The onion-ring bokeh in those lenses has to be seen as part of their "character".
Mar 16, 2025 at 08:24 AM
p.13 #20Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO-Ultron Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.100% you said it better than me. Love it for portraits because of the exact comments you mentioned. It is sharp across the image, just has much lower contrast and a little glow the APOs don't have. Part of my test between this lens and the Voigt APO was how accurate I could focus in normal situations. The Voigt APO was significantly more difficult to focus because of the short throw compared to the Cron. Great pics!I prefer telephoto lenses without aspherical elements since specular highlights tend to be larger and more noticeable in the rendering. Any traces of onion ring effects also stand out more. Great reasons for choosing the Voigtlander 90mm f/2 APO or the Leica 90/2 pre-apsh lenses.+1 ASPH onion rings can be a bummer. I'd rather have a bit of undercorrection / SA than strong onion rings. One ASPH element well placed can be tolerable, but multiple ASPH elements tend to get a little much for my taste.
Yummy to eat, but not a fan in my pics.You probably wouldn’t be a fan of the original Leica 50mm f/1.2 Noctilux or the Light Lens Lab version. The onion-ring bokeh in those lenses has to be seen as part of their "character".
I'd just have to acknowledge it as a "specialty" lens ... not my "welded on", general use lens.
RustyBug wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
rsolti13 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I just took the Leica 90/2 Cron pre-asph for a spin to confirm the RF adjustment and check things like rendering, CA, and more. My first impression is that it’s easier to focus with the RF because the focus throw is longer compared to the APO version. I was able to nail all the subjects perfectly without any issues, which I can’t quite do with the APO. Here are a few test shots I took around my neighborhood, mostly with subjects centered to ensure the RF was spot on.The rendering has a painterly quality, and the specular highlights are very clean, due to the absence of aspherical elements. The images are sharp, but not overly crisp or full of micro-contrast, which I personally prefer, especially for portraits. There is some visible CA, but nothing too distracting so far. I can see some coma in the rendering.
These are straight out of the camera under harsh lighting using the Adobe Standard profile and Daylight WB.
Yummy to eat, but not a fan in my pics.
I'd just have to acknowledge it as a "specialty" lens ... not my "welded on", general use lens.
Mar 16, 2025 at 08:59 AM