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Here's an approximate transalation of the text on the spanish Site -- without embedding the images
What I'd suggest you do is open up a 2nd window and view the English with the Spanish and then you can also see the references to the pics.
Not the most elegant solution --but hopefully it will do until some Spanish guy can tranlsate it for us properly.
It's a bit "Translation-ese" as my Spanish isn't that good and I'm using the help of some computer Dictionary software -- but you should get the drift.
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Nikon D2X versus Canon 1Ds MarkII email Written by Roberto Tolín and Antonio Vázquez 24-02-2005 Pagina 1 of 6 Finally, to after long months of delays and delays, Nikon definitively removes to the market the new Nikon D2X, double bed that will be during to standard Time its ship. Thanks to Finicon S.A. and Canon España S.A. we reunited for Caborian to the two to better doubles bed of these manufacturers, Nikon D2X and Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII. Aside from gratefulness to these two marks, we also give to thanks to Antonio Vázquez to help U.S. in all the process with its knowledge of the Nikon world. How the test became: To test comparative between doubles bed with different sizes from sensorial and marks of objectives is certainly complicated, mainly if it is wanted to be just. In addition, it is necessary to to consider that not of U.S. dominated the new doubles bed, although to my Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII was to familiar me much but, since two years ago work with the EOS 1Ds and digital Antonio was the second occasion in which used the format.
After debating it we reached the conclusion that the best was to unify the size of all the photos. Since we added to the test photos donates with old Canon EOS 1Ds and Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII this were the best option, since therefore we approached but the reality of to photographer whom it loves to extend his photos. Ace reference were used the size of Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, that is, 4992 píxels of to greater side. Bicubical The sizes were equaled extending with the smooth procedure of Photoshop CS and they were reenfocaron with to mask of approach of 50%/1/0. In addition to the previous thing we were that AT first Nikon sent to preliminary series double bed to U.S., and for want of 4 days for the appearance of the article to final version. For that reason part of the text of the test had to be modified to adapt it to the new features that we were. The photos of the comparative one show two phases. Made in the sport Park and the port the preliminary series double bed of and those were donates with of the final part (buildings and church) with the new one. Since we had already given back to Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII when final Nikon D2X arrived to U.S., it was necessary to only do the comparative one between this and old 1Ds. final Anyway the considerations do not vary. The Time during the test was very bad, but to the to power to have the doubles bed by to limited Time was not much option.
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Nikon D2X versus Canon 1Ds MarkII email Written by Roberto Tolín and Antonio Vázquez 24-02-2005 6 Pagina 2 of great Quality with angular. This it has been for a long time a debate controverted in the world of the digital image. Basically because several manufacturers insisted on propagating the hoax of which the sensors "full frame" could not be used with wide-angle, and that although 1Ds was already in the street the EOS to deny it.
There are problems with some sensors of other manufacturers, but it seems that Canon solved that subject with the use of microlenses. The complaints of lack of quality in the edges badly were directed, since it was not a problem of the sensor, if not of lenses badly designed or insufficient quality. Proof of it is that the last lenses designed by Canon no longer have significant problems, and some lenses of marks like Zeiss or Leica, designed some makes tens of years do not have problem if they adapt to the camera. Nikon, in this aspect, bet by small sensors for, theoretically, avoiding these problems. Let us see if this is thus in the reality.
This is a general Vista of the park Isabel the Catholic, of Gijón.
In Nikon D2X we used a flaming objective of 14mm F2.8 D, that due to the conversion factor we had left in 21mm effective and since we did not have 20mm of Canon by hand were necessary to resort to a Zeiss Distagon 21mm f2.8 with an adapter of Zörk. In the comparative one we also included the EOS 1Ds, that with its 11.2 megapíxeles would be theoretically inferior.
Cut to the 100%, Nikon D2X, center.
Cut to 100%, Nikon D2X, edge.
All the photos took control of the same exhibition, except in Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII that subexposed 1/3 of diaphragm by error. Here already we could observe a thing that would stay throughout all the test. The Nikon made the resisted photos much but and with a certain subexhibition, fact that Antonio corroborated later.
Cut 100%, Canon 1Ds MarkII, center.
Cut 100%, Canon 1Ds MarkII, edge.
In their previous and later tests the results always were similar. That can make seem in fact in some photos that those images are but clear, but, seen the histogram, took place an important loss of data in the zones of shade. Normally Nikon has fame to give too smooth the photos "finished", and Canon, but in digitalis we thought that the option of Canon is the correct one, because the lost data never can be recovered, and to obtain the aspect that offers Nikon is solved of very simple way with an action of Velvia de Fred Miranda or modifying the parameters of It captures One our pleasure. Although also the problem of the shades can easily be solved with the option of shades and lights of Photoshop or fitting plus compensation AV in the photos. What if is certain and both we agreed it is that we preferred that a digital camera of less resistance than the Nikon and more saturation of color than the Canon. Compensated both things we would have the perfect camera.
Cut 100%, Canon 1Ds, center.
Cut 100%, Canon 1Ds, edge.
Returning to the comparative one. It is appraised that the greater amount of detail has Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, followed by 1Ds and Nikon D2X, very near one of another one. That in the center of the image. Going us to the edge, the things change very many. In spite of "full frame", or thanks to; -), or but well by the proverbial quality of the Zeiss 21mm, the clearness in the corners causes that the Canon is distanced clearly of the Nikon.
14mm produces in same a great amount of chromatic aberrations and an important defocusing. The chromatic aberrations can be eliminated with enough success with programs type Debarrelizer or Panotools. The defocusing unfortunately no.
We had liked to have 20 mm of Canon absolutely to be objective because what this very clear is that between a Zeiss and the others a world of quality and also of Euros is everything.
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Nikon D2X versus Canon 1Ds MarkII email Written by Roberto Tolín and Antonio Vázquez 24-02-2005 6 Pagina of Test of 3 dynamic range and detail in shades. For it we used such objective that in the previous one and we chose a zone of the park with shining chairs and dark zones in the bar.
In the detail of the center, the chair, the result is but or less as in the previous case, with Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII showing the greater refinement and the other two almost tied cameras in detail, although the reproduction of the scene of the Canon is but natural. All the cameras were with light adjustments by day, and thus they were processed. Nevertheless the Nikon produced a quite pleasant image at sight, but nonfaithful to the scene, with warmer colors.
Cut 100%, Nikon D2X, center.
Cut 100%, Nikon D2X, shades.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, center.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, shades.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds, center.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds, shades.
In the cut of the part in shade of the bar and also in many other photos, it calls the attention that the one that more pitch detail gathers is 1Ds old. It must to that the profile of Magne Nielsen is very superior to the generic one that 1Ds MarkII takes of series Capture One for Canon EOS. With a better profile probably 1Ds MarkII would gain Canon EOS, but at this moment it gains the old one.
Nikon D2X gives the worse result here. The reproduction too much is resisted and very many detail in the shades is lost. In fact we tested with the Nikon Capture 4,2 to see if there were something badly fit, but everything was correct. After consulting it with Nikon the reason it seems to be that the camera had position the adjustment of tones for "landscapes". If instead of that option the resistance is used normal it improves much. In our opinion the option of "landscape" is excessively contrasted.
Use with telephoto lenses. This part was but difficult because it required to photograph a same animal with the focal one. Since we did not have 400mm by hand f2.8 were necessary to do the photos of the Canon adding a teleconvertidor 1.4x. In Nikon D2X 300mm was used f2.8 D of Nikon and in the Canon 300mm f2.8L IS with before commented the teleconvertidor one of the mark. The comparison with old 1Ds could not be done because the gull did not want to hope by us. Llama the attention in this test the cleaning of the image of the Canon and the magnificent result of the teleconvertidor with 300mm. In the case of Nikon D2X the result is very good, although the quality remains to something below the one of Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII. Using telephoto lenses of high quality very good images with this camera can be done, although it calls the attention that the bottom has something of noise in grain form, important, but little never as clean as the one that is obtained with the Canon. Here the sensor full frame and the 4.3 megapixels but impose their force. Nevertheless as opposed to this, the small sensor of the Nikon provided more depth of field and allowed that all the bird left focused from the eye to its legs, whereas in the Canon these last ones appeared more defocused.
If we consider the economic value of the lenses and the weight of the same ones, to photograph Nature or sports outdoors, the factor 1.5x makes that the first option for Antonio, is Nikon D2X and soon anyone of the other two.
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X.
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Nikon D2X versus Canon 1Ds MarkII email Written by Roberto Tolín and Antonio Vázquez 24-02-2005 Pagina 4 of 6 the theory of the cut. Some users of Nikon commented that he was not the same to make the photo with sensor 1,5 of the Nikon D2X that to trim a part done with Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, among them Antonio. Robert maintained that if, but as long as the size of the photosensors was but or less similar. Nothing like proving it actually. For it we chose a tree and we made the photos with 300mm in each camera. The Nikon made a reproduction very pretty of the scene, although not exactly real. The file of the Canon stood out with the same frame that the Nikon, was applied the Velvia action to him to obtain similar tones and reenfocó. The result, in my opinion is enough similar. Perhaps the file of the EOS is something but clear, but it can be because 300mm of Canon is a modern version but that the Nikon that we used in the test.
Also a brick wall was photographed of Vista face, with both teles, but by bad luck, (tradúzcase: cold, rain, wind) or simply so that these things happen sometimes, the photos of the Canon did not come out well. So as soon as it arrives to him the definitive camera to Antonio we will leave doubts because with the one of the tree it did not remain convinced very.
Pure resolution.
A bank, for the test of resolution
For this part of the test four cameras were used. The Nikon D2X, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, Canon EOS 1Ds and Canon EOS 1D mark II.
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1D.
At the time of judging these photos it is necessary to pay attention to which there are slight differences in the point of approach of each camera, but the result is similar to the one of the rest of the test. In Nikon D2X an objective AFS DX was used 17-55mm F2.8 G, special for small sensors, in the Canon was used a zoom lens 24-70mm f2.8L. The objective of Nikon is of great quality and it is appraised in the photos. For my, the winner is Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, followed by Canon EOS 1Ds and closely together Nikon D2X, being last Canon EOS 1D MarkII, that with its 8 megapíxeles is in disadvantage, although not as much as it would be possible to be hoped. For Antonio, it is only question of tastes and it thinks that in all the photos a highest quality is observed, comparable to the average format (has worked with Hasselblad last the 20 years), although Canon EOS 1D MarkII pays in excess the interpolación.
The picture.
Our Companion Oscar Oreixa.
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X.
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII.
As model we chose Oscar (oreixa), I believe that it will not denounce to us to use its image. Like objectives, in the Nikon a 80-200 F2.8 of first generation and in the Canon a 70-200 F2.8L. The pictures are a photographic object that does not need much resolution, and this test demonstrates it. There is no great difference in quality between the two cameras in this aspect, but if two things call the attention, the tone of skin, too warm in the Nikon and the depth of field. The two photos became to 1/160 to f4 and as it is possible to be seen, the Nikon has enough but depth of field, in this case this must that obtaining the same frame was used greater a focal one in the Canon. This can be beneficial in some cases, and counter-productive in others.
Behavior to the high sensitivities. With preliminary series camera Nikon D2X.
Port of Gijón
Since this part of the test could not be made the same day that the rest, and no longer we had Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, it was necessary to make comparative with old 1Ds. Hicimos the photos in the sport port of Gijón, shortly before putting the sun. Robert could make some photos with Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII the previous day to occur an idea of the noise, but to put the photo does not have sense since the subject is totally different. When we have another camera we try to repeat this part of the test, although in opinion of both this we do not think that it is necessary.
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X, ISO 400
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, ISO 400
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X, ISO 800
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII, ISO 800
Seeing the result ISO 400 the strong grain that shows Nikon D2X. Is an image perfectly U.S.ABLE, although compared with the cleaning of Canon EOS calls the attention 1Ds does not come out shutdown very well. To 800 ISO the difference is greater still. The Canon maintains all the detail and shows something of easily avoidable noise of chroma with an action of Photoshop. The image of Nikon D2X is seen very affected by the grain, losing much detail and pitch range. Nikon says that they have turned the noise a grain similar to the one of the film, but in our opinion the quality is not to the height of the times. To ISO the 1600 image cannot be used seriously, and I believe that single it is due to use like emergency. The noise of the Canon 1Ds MK II to those sensitivities it is far below.
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Nikon D2X versus Canon 1Ds MarkII email Written by Roberto Tolín and Antonio Vázquez 24-02-2005 Pagina 5 of 6 Tests with the Nikon D2X, final version. As I commented previously, for want of 4 days for the publication a camera arrived to us from series. Again with bad weather we tested fast to see if the quality of image improved. This comparative one took control of 1Ds, old version.
Stroll Maritimo de Gijón
The first image corresponds to the marine stroll of Gijón. In order to make the photos we used in Nikon D2X the Nikkor 200mm f2G If-ed of recent appearance. In the Canon 300mm was used both objective f2.8L IS. Since are the best thing of both marks were no doubts here.
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X, ISO 100
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds, ISO 100
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X, ISO 800
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds, ISO 800
Llama the attention that the detail is virtually the same one, although the Canon has some pixels less. Anyway to practical effects and once published the two photos they would shine equal. A detail that calls the attention in the Nikon D2X, and other photos which we did, is that very fine details, like the signboards that see in the photo, these become moiré. Anyway it does not seem very problematic.
In the same frame done to 800 ISO an increase of moiré in those same signboards is appraised. A peculiar effect that never had seen. In the photo made with 1Ds it is appraised that the noise is smaller and than retains practically the same detail that in the one of 100 ISO.
Church of San Pedro
Trim 100%, Nikon D2X, ISO 100
Cut 100%, Canon EOS 1Ds, ISO 100
We repeated the test using a wide-angle zoom lens and photographing the church of San Pedro. Here we returned to use in the Nikon the 17-55 and the Canon the 24-70, both to f8. In this image the file of Canon EOS 1Ds extended to the size of file of Nikon D2X. the difference to ISO 100 in the detail is almost nonexistent Again and but employee of the objective that is used that of the sensor of image in if. Logically, and seen the happened thing in the photos of the park, Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII had won here with tranquillity.
General Vista of interior
Cut 100%, Nikon D2X, ISO 1600, without noise reducer.
Cut 100%, Nikon D2X, ISO 1600, with noise reducer.
Test with high ISO. Finally, and since by personal problems single we had left minutes we decided to make a pair of high photos to ISOs in my office. For it Antonio shot two photos, one to ISO 800 and another one to ISO 1600 (Hi-1) in typical conditions of use of one of these sensitivities. The tests to total light of the day were not habituale in these cases. The automatic balance of targets made a good work here. Of each one of them two versions became, with and without reducer of connected noise. The results jump at sight, ISO 800 is not very good, but U.S.ABLE. ISO 1600 in my opinion does not give the minimum quality. Here the same photo with 1Ds was not made, but by the sight until now, to 800 ISO its quality is clearly superior, and new Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII still better to 1600 ISO.
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Nikon D2X versus Canon 1Ds MarkII email Written by Roberto Tolín and Antonio Vázquez 24-02-2005 Pagina 6 of 6 Conclusions proven the definitive camera of Nikon: By Antonio Vázquez. The first conclusion which I have removed when making this comparative one is that the three proven cameras are extraordinary and that with all it is possible to be worked professionally without no problem. Obtaining with anyone of them results very superior to which we could obtain with old the analogical ones of 35 mm, outside as it was the chosen film. To be right at the time of valuing his quality, it would be necessary to compare them with the average format to which also they would surpass if not it go because to these cameras also them a digital endorsement can be placed.
New Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII the encounter a passage in front of the other two, mainly because to publish one double page to 300 ppp. it is not needed to interpolate and therefore it does not exist lost of definition nor the increase of noise that obtains when applying the change of size of the archives with the other two models.
In my opinion it is the best camera of the market at this moment but it is necessary to consider, that stops to publish in books or magazines, anyone of the three gives quality very well since the differences among them only appear when we reproduce the photos to very great sizes (over the 60 cm.) something that in the publishing world very not very often takes place, or when we trimmed and we extended a piece of the photo in our monitor and we took it until 100 %.
To speak of the quality of the EOS 1Ds at this point does not have much sense then after two years and means being the referring one of the digital world, of her already this all said.
Of the Nikon to say that it is a magnificent camera, ideal for my specialty, is to say for the photography of the Nature then its rank of multiplication of 1,5X allows us to go to the field with less weight and more powerful lenses. The quality of the photos obtained with her, using it with low sensitivities, is extraordinary and in some cases even superior to Canon EOS 1Ds MarkII then to equal diaphragm, gives to more depth of field (thanks to its smaller sensor) and the first planes us of fauna, or of macro they are really extraordinary. As it ballast in his con has the great use of the angular ones, since when we worked with objectives below 17 mm (the 17-55 zoom lens mm F2.8 is fantastic), is to say smaller than old 24 analogical mm, its enough low quality when losing quality in its edges. Although also it is necessary to recognize that these lenses are used not very often. In high sensitivities its yield diminishes but it gives a great quality up to 800 roasts and the photos that are obtained to this sensitivity are perfectly publicables although the seizures with the Canon have less noise, or rather a little more detail because noise like so, gives rather little. This fact only we could state it with the definitive camera since the prototype was quite deficient in this aspect, like you will be able to verify in the examples that we have put.
The camera only has been in my hands hours and as soon as there am had time to savor it but I am sure that with her I will obtain a quality muy.superior.a the one that gave my old and dear F5 me, which already is much.
For the interested ones in Nature also I comment to you that I have proven the AFS 200 mm F2 VR and its quality is impressive. Without a doubt it will be from now on the objective that uses more in my work and soon you will be able to see photos done with him. Finally, to only give my enhorabuena them to Canon and Nikon by so splendid cameras and by to have allowed to us to enjoy them.
Conclusions proven the definitive camera of Nikon. By Roberto Tolín.
After reviewing 3 hundreds of photos made with these cameras, the final conclusion of the test is clear. The winner without a doubt no is the EOS 1Ds mark II. By resolution, quality of image and noise to the high sensitivities. Next it is left 1Ds old. The truth is that by very little with respect to the Nikon. In resolution pairs are enough, but the smaller noise and the refinement of details in general, thanks to the great sensor, give certain, although a small one, advantage him. Nikon D2X would in the end be left thirdly and 1D mark II, although also to have considerable amount of pixels less. This as far as quality of image, since the subject of the body in himself, and the range of objectives already is a personal thing but.
With respect to Nikon D2X.: it is a camera that has called me the attention in its positive things, but does not finish being perfect. It has too many defects to be a multipurpose camera. I use my successfully 1Ds for all type of photography: fauna, landscape, architecture, study, occasionally sports, industrial photo, theater, social news article, etc.. and in all these facets are defended very well. To this variety I believe that it cannot inhale Nikon D2X, since to architecture or industrial photo it does not have great angular descentrables, to theater has too much noise, like for some sports. Nevertheless it has to his favor that the factor of multiplication of its sensor avoids to have to use too great objectives.
What it does not avoid any of these cameras is to have to use the best objectives of each mark to obtain good results. This implies, if they are wanted to use great angular in the Nikon, to have to buy objectives DX for small sensors. The extreme density of pixels of Nikon D2X does this almost one obligation.
A detail to finalize. Both a thing called the attention to us, we exactly made the photos with the same exhibition and systematically the photos of the Nikon left but dark that those of the Canon. This single one has an explanation, or Nikon uses a sensor of less real sensitivity than the happiness or the Canon uses it of but. After seeing in other sites of Internet similar experiences my opinion is that the sensor of Nikon D2X is really less sensible than 100 ISO. That invalidaría some advantages of the small sensor with long telephoto lenses, since in fact would be working with a diaphragm less of the real one. In fact some photos of the Canon I had to darken them a little so that the difference was not so great at sight. When the camera arrives at the street and is used by but photographers we will see if this continues being thus.
© 2005 Roberto Tolín Sommer and Antonio Vázquez
Anyway that's the best I can do --hopefully it is of some help to people (awaiting a proper Spanish speaker for a good translation).
Cheers
-K
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I want to see a comparison with the 600mm lenses from the same distance