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danrhiggins wrote:
Regarding noise and the light/image capture pipeline, in Sony cameras I found this YouTube video by a guy named Dan Fox to be extremely helpful. He uses simplifying analogies and diagrams to point out how noise both occurs during the light gathering process in the sensor and how it is introduced through the image processing pipeline/process. He addresses topics like dual-gain ISO and ISO invariance.

I am not a hardware engineer (I was a software engineer ;-)) so I can't judge what Dan has to say. It is a bit nerdy but he walks through all this in a way that
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All in all it's a nice video but he absolutely butchered the definition of dual conversion gain, claiming there are two wells. I assume it was an attempt to dumb it down for the average viewer but it made no sense whatsoever.
Jan 03, 2025 at 08:30 AM
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danrhiggins wrote:
Regarding noise and the light/image capture pipeline, in Sony cameras I found this YouTube video by a guy named Dan Fox to be extremely helpful. He uses simplifying analogies and diagrams to point out how noise both occurs during the light gathering process in the sensor and how it is introduced through the image processing pipeline/process. He addresses topics like dual-gain ISO and ISO invariance.

I am not a hardware engineer (I was a software engineer ;-)) so I can't judge what Dan has to say. It is a bit nerdy but he walks through all this in a way that
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from an engineering perspective, the transistor switches to turn on the extra capacitor doesn't make sense to me at all, the design is counterproductive as there is a voltage loss over the transistor. and from other circuits ive seen that have 3 gain sensors that is not the method they use.
Jan 03, 2025 at 09:00 PM
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I see that most of the posts in this thread were December 2024.
It was shown that HCG is ISO500 for ES and ISO640 for MS.

Graphs now show ISO640 for both.
Was this a result of Firmware Update?
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-1M2,Sony%20ILCE-1M2(ES)


Jul 18, 2026 at 01:21 AM
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Choderboy wrote:
I see that most of the posts in this thread were December 2024.
It was shown that HCG is ISO500 for ES and ISO640 for MS.

Graphs now show ISO640 for both.
Was this a result of Firmware Update?
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-1M2,Sony%20ILCE-1M2(ES)



The problem is that the measurements differ depending on whether the camera has a lens attached or not. The instructions for the measurements for photontophotos were to use a cap for the body when making dark measurements, which leads to a different result if you cap a lens for the dark measurements. Claff has clarified this in some of his posts, but I don't believe that info is on the photonstophotos web site. I probably should have clarified that in this thread too, but I will now.

With a lens attached the transition is at 640 for both electronic and mechanical shutter.
Jul 18, 2026 at 10:10 AM
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Thanks.
Jul 18, 2026 at 10:24 AM
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