No doubt at wider apertures a CV 28 APO is going to win hands down.
But we actually have to see CV release an E mount version. There is no definitive guidance they've given on this have they?
Fred Miranda wrote:
Their performance could be similar at f/11, depending on your camera sensor. At that aperture, diffraction reduces detail and contrast, leveling the playing field. However, at wider apertures, the Voigtlander is likely to have a clear advantage.
By the way, it would be great if you could compare both side by side at your classic shooting location!
Mar 26, 2025 at 06:32 AM
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Since e-mount is no longer ignored, I guess they will eventually release the CV 28 APO for e-mount. Especially since high performance lenses are regularly also presented in e-mount (wheras the character lenses are more often only available m-mount).
Knut. wrote:
Since e-mount is no longer ignored, I guess they will eventually release the CV 28 APO for e-mount. Especially since high performance lenses are regularly also presented in e-mount (wheras the character lenses are more often only available m-mount).
The E-mount version is very likely since Cosina produced both 35 and 50/2 APO-Lanthars. The question is when?
I think Cosina could release 28/2 APO-Lanthars for E-mount and Z-mount after they get all the pre-announced releases out of the way first, maybe in early 2026 (or could be later in 2026).
The 28/1.5 Noktons for E-mount and Z-mount have sold well in Japan, both have been out of stock / backordered pretty much everywhere a couple of weeks after release and still waiting for new stock to arrive (probably in April at least for the E-mount version), so I think it's also a good reason for Cosina to also prioritize 28/2 for both mounts.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I think Cosina could release 28/2 APO-Lanthars for E-mount and Z-mount after they get all the pre-announced releases out of the way first, maybe in early 2026 (or could be later in 2026).
The 28/1.5 Noktons for E-mount and Z-mount have sold well in Japan, both have been out of stock / backordered pretty much everywhere a couple of weeks after release and still waiting for new stock to arrive (probably in April at least for the E-mount version), so I think it's also a good reason for Cosina to also prioritize 28/2 for both mounts.
For a while, the 28mm focal length was largely overlooked, but it now seems to be a priority for most lens manufacturers. The exception is Sigma, which continues to produce 24mm and 35mm lenses for the E-mount but still hasn't released a 28mm prime option.
It’s calm on Cosina Voigtlander’s side. Sure there was the 1.2 trio but it felt a bit not new.
It’s the right season for some wishful thinking, maybe some new fast compact 35 and 50mm with true bad single coating. I wouldn’t mind that, I tried to make my Heliar flare lately, tough luck.
Sonnar-7 wrote:
It’s calm on Cosina Voigtlander’s side. Sure there was the 1.2 trio but it felt a bit not new.
It’s the right season for some wishful thinking, maybe some new fast compact 35 and 50mm with true bad single coating. I wouldn’t mind that, I tried to make my Heliar flare lately, tough luck.
Not too many announcements in 2025. Things started with the Voigtlander 35mm f/3.5 Color-Skopar in February. Then in May Cosina announced the refreshed 35/40/50 f/1.2 Nokton trio, but those were basically cosmetic updates, not new optical designs. They also announced the 75mm f/1.8 Portrait Heliar for E-mount around the same time.
About a month later came the big one, the Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO for M-mount, and only recently did they follow it with the E-mount and Z-mount versions. I think they are done for this year.
It's only a few months until CP+ rolls around again so Cosina will likely hold off any announcements to save them for that time.
Should we start a CP+ 2026 Voigtlander speculation thread?
In the meantime, there's still a gap at 24/25mm, whether f/1.4, 2.0, 2.8... And I still think the most significant untapped area for Voigtlander is premium offerings that for the brand would be expensive ($1500-2500), but cheap relative to Leica and fill a price point void in the M mount market that no one has addressed. Given the increasing competition at the lower end of the M mount lens market from various Chinese brands, going upmarket may be necessary for Cosina, and doable given the credibility of the Voigtlander brand and the many excellent lenses they have released in the past ~10 years.
Maybe we can keep using this thread as CP+ 2026 Voigtländer speculation thread as well. I think this year Cosina's own releasing was somewhat affected by their work for Otus ML which must have been fairly significant workload (with 2 lenses in 3 mounts amounting to 6).
This year they released 3 new lenses in E-mount which equals their biggest release years from the past and on top of that the 2 Otus MLs. Also covering the 28mm FL (twice) was great while that FL has been lacking native options.
I was really happy with their output this year since I've been leaning more into native mirrorless options and less into adapting VMs in recent years.
About next releases from Cosina, I'm hoping for some pancakes in FF mirrorless (E and Z), similar to their X-mount pancakes but a little bigger to account for FF, starting with 40mm.
Secondly, I think they could release a longer APO-Lanthar at 90mm or 75mm for E & Z. 75mm F2 would be nice but on the other hand they already have 2 75mm lenses in E.
rscheffler wrote:
It's only a few months until CP+ rolls around again so Cosina will likely hold off any announcements to save them for that time.
Should we start a CP+ 2026 Voigtlander speculation thread?
In the meantime, there's still a gap at 24/25mm, whether f/1.4, 2.0, 2.8... And I still think the most significant untapped area for Voigtlander is premium offerings that for the brand would be expensive ($1500-2500), but cheap relative to Leica and fill a price point void in the M mount market that no one has addressed. Given the increasing competition at the lower end of the M mount lens market from various Chinese brands, going upmarket may be necessary for Cosina, and doable given the credibility of the Voigtlander brand and the many excellent lenses they have released in the past ~10 years....Show more →
A few years back, there was a stir around a patent they filed that included what looked to be an APO-Lanthar 25/2 (or maybe it was just hoped to be an AL). I'd love to see them produce such a lens across M and mirrorless mounts.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
About next releases from Cosina, I'm hoping for some pancakes in FF mirrorless (E and Z), similar to their X-mount pancakes but a little bigger to account for FF, starting with 40mm.
Secondly, I think they could release a longer APO-Lanthar at 90mm or 75mm for E & Z. 75mm F2 would be nice but on the other hand they already have 2 75mm lenses in E.
I think having multiple lenses of the same focal length isn't a huge problem for them, the way the seem to work their production lifecycles.
fjablo wrote:
Mostly wishful thinking, but here's what I could imagine them doing:
75mm f2 APO-Lanthar or APO-Ultron for Leica M.
Compact 35mm or 50mm f1.5 for Sony/Nikon, based on existing f1.5 lenses.
35mm f1.0 Nokton for Sony/Nikon (not feasible on M mount, I think).
Somethingsomething-21mm.
If they made a 75/2 APO-Lanthar it would almost certainly be made for mirrorless as well as M. I think it is definitely one of the likely next options for extending the AL line.
Indeed a new 35mm Nokton for mirrorless could be another possible option since there are none for Z and the E-mount 35/1.2 SE got discontinued quite early. The remaining 35/1.4 for E is quite unique with its classic rendering and there would be room for another one that would be more modern.
I know some think that there are already too many 50 in their line-up but I feel there is still room for more by the simple fact that I’m not really drawn to the offering at the moment, except maybe for the 50mm 1.0 that I find to have an exquisite rendering.
Despite all the new players, there are still nothing like a Pre-Asph Summilux anywhere to be seen, I wish there was something like that from Cosina, or LLL or all the new companies that appeared lately.
I’m still baffled by the discontinuation of the bicolour CV 50mm 1.5 and the SC option, looking at the aftermarket I doubt there were sell so badly that they have to keep the actual versions.
I still wouldn’t necessarily want them back though, I don’t like the bokeh of the 1.5 line, it’s creamy and unsubstantial, the 1.0 is better in that regard, the 1.2 in between.
That notion of good bokeh being creamy still bothers me.
A 35mm 1.0 in compact format and M mount with a compromise on field curvature would be an interesting novelty.
The Heliar 75mm 1.8 was a welcome more than interesting proposition, everything about it, even the design they should keep for other versions even if it’s their Sony E langage. Still want an M mount of this one, there is the M-Ev1 now, make them happy and us mirrorless adapters too.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
If they made a 75/2 APO-Lanthar it would almost certainly be made for mirrorless as well as M. I think it is definitely one of the likely next options for extending the AL line.
Absolutely. I just wouldn't expect them to announce the E/Z versions at CP+ but rather later in the year, similar to how they handled the 28mm.
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Juha Kannisto wrote:
About next releases from Cosina, I'm hoping for some pancakes in FF mirrorless (E and Z), similar to their X-mount pancakes but a little bigger to account for FF, starting with 40mm.
Secondly, I think they could release a longer APO-Lanthar at 90mm or 75mm for E & Z. 75mm F2 would be nice but on the other hand they already have 2 75mm lenses in E.
They of course have the 90 f/2 APO Ultron and the 90 f/2.8 APO Color Skopar for M mount and have not made these lenses for mirrorless mount. And they of course also have the 65 f/2 APO Lanthar Macro for E and Z mount and the 110 f/2.5 APO Lanthar Macro of E mount. I have had all of these lenses except the 90 f/2 Ultron which I will likely get this year. I would love to see them make it in Sony E mount as from Fred's review the outer performance suffers on Sony because of the thicker sensor cover glass. I am thinking of using it on Fuji where I think the outer performance will be fine due to the smaller sensor and it ought to work a lot like a 135 f/2.8 on FF, which would be a nice addition to my Fuji kit.
Given that they haven't made either of the 90 APO lenses for mirrorless, I sort of doubt they are going to make a 75 f/2 APO for mirrorless either, but one for Leica M to replace the now discontinued 75 f/1.9 does seem like a quite reasonable thing to do. Maybe if they do and it is successful they will prove me wrong and make it for mirrorless as well. Like you Juha, for the next few years anyway I will be shooting Voigtlander lenses on mirrorless both on Fuji and Sony.
I have really enjoyed my Voigtlander lenses on Fuji (I now have the 23 f/1.2, 27 f/2, 35 f/2 APO Macro, and 50 f/1.2). I do wish they would make something like a 12 or 14 f/2 or even f/2.8 for Fuji as I would like to have an ultrawide option for that mount.
