Happydan wrote:
Regarding my huntch on ED glass I’ll share Ken’s rant here fyi
I don’t care to argue with anyone, I’m just looking for “my perfect lens(es)”
We all have different preferences
But physics doesn’t care. More glass = more resistance to pure light transmission
Search the internet long enough, you will always find the answer you want to hear- We all have opinions and its sort of funny you say you don't want argue but you want to keep posting it and calling other babies ugly-
I just meant to post the video FYI, for sure it is polarizing, but why not inform yourself from another perspective?
I’ll drop it here, by adding that it’s my feeling/intuition and what images look “right” TO ME
And that is guiding my lens purchase decisions now. You do you.
I wouldn’t call any baby ugly - please don’t invent stuff
And regarding Ken, he is polarizing AF, but knows more about the topic than anyone I’ve listened to.
I didn’t even search the internet on this topic, I’m going from personal impression (what I see)
Anyways, it’s simple; light needs to be transmitted to the sensor in the simplest way possible
Like the 50/3.5 heliar or the 40/2.8 heliar - every review you’ll see on those refer to their images as “life-like” and close to perfection in terms of realistic rendering. Once i used the 40 heliar, all o wanted was HELIAR lens designs. Just sold my CV12Heliar. Also LOVED the 40 nokton but that has a new home now. The simera 35 fits the bill for me.
Bro, I never called another man’s baby ugly, lol! I have a kid and love children more than adults!
If you believe every easily disproven marketing team bullshit press release, you’re going to have a bad time.
Literally nothing they said applies to their Z mount lenses…if they wanted exceptional clarity they would’ve adjusted for the different sensor stack thickness. If they wanted precision, they would’ve chipped the lens for focus confirmation.
Happydan wrote:
For what its worth, i just read this on the 35mmc.com post link
“The Thypoch team is committed to maintaining the exceptional performance of the original M-mount lenses while fine-tuning the new mount solutions for optimal results. The release of Z/E/X/RF mount lenses will provide photographers with enhanced capabilities to capture transient moments with precision and clarity.” – Thypoch Press Release
Yeah it’s not like Thypoch is to be believed from what they put out in a marketing release
I just hadn’t read it anywhere else, and there’s been so much discussion on this concern here, so posted it FYI
To me, the IQ is satisfactory with all 3 simeras I now hold on Sony E and that’s good enough for me
Makes me sell my other lenses tbh!
BTW: I was looking at the lens diagram of the 65APO on voigtlander.de the german website
There the ED elements are not denoted, neither in their description = strange
Same with the lens diagram on Amazon.com - super strange
I saw it with your link to the voigtlander.co.jp site
Sorry for the confusion.
Ive attached both diagrams below. Only the Aspherical element was denoted.
Sorry for spamming
Steve Spencer wrote:
The CV 65 f/2 APO has six APD elements. See the diagram here:
The German Voigtländer website is created/operated by Ringfoto. They own the Voigtländer brand overall and they distribute the Cosina Voigtländer lenses in Germany, but they don't make the lenses and the lens info on their site is often having some mistakes or missing details.
Cosina (Japan) has license from Ringfoto to use the Voigtländer brand on their lenses. They plan, design and make the lenses and distribute them in Japan etc. Their Japan website is the best source and the 1st hand source for info on the lenses.
Happydan wrote:
BTW: I was looking at the lens diagram of the 65APO on voigtlander.de the german website
There the ED elements are not denoted, neither in their description = strange
Same with the lens diagram on Amazon.com - super strange
I saw it with your link to the voigtlander.co.jp site
Sorry for the confusion.
Ive attached both diagrams below. Only the Aspherical element was denoted.
Happydan wrote:
BTW: I was looking at the lens diagram of the 65APO on voigtlander.de the german website
There the ED elements are not denoted, neither in their description = strange
Same with the lens diagram on Amazon.com - super strange
I saw it with your link to the voigtlander.co.jp site
Sorry for the confusion.
Ive attached both diagrams below. Only the Aspherical element was denoted.
Sorry for spamming
Yes you were looking at the wrong website. The Cosina website that I linked shows 6 APD (Cosina's label for ED glass) elements in the CV 65 f/2 APO. If you think that lens has 3D pop, then you should count its existence as pretty good evidence against your proposition that ED glass prevents 3D pop.
I already commented that I dont find the CV65s rendering to pop
I said that it’s rather optical perfection
But you probably didn’t read my post before writing this.
Steve Spencer wrote:
Yes you were looking at the wrong website. The Cosina website that I linked shows 6 APD (Cosina's label for ED glass) elements in the CV 65 f/2 APO. If you think that lens has 3D pop, then you should count its existence as pretty good evidence against your proposition that ED glass prevents 3D pop.
I’m coming to accept one ED element (preferably at the front of the lens barrel)
As the simera 28 has great pop for landscapes/environmental portraits
The simera 50 also having one element is okay but I wouldn’t call it poppy
The 35 is poppy indeed - no ED elements
I’m selling my 21 nokton because it has way too many elements and performs poorly in IR
sold the 75 nokton based on my impressions from the pics I took; now i blame it on the many ED elements.
So when I want to snap something that stands out, I’m definitely not going to use an APO lens for that full of ED.
Happydan wrote:
sold the 75 nokton based on my impressions from the pics I took; now i blame it on the many ED elements.
So when I want to snap something that stands out, I’m definitely not going to use an APO lens for that full of ED.
I would simply avoid ED Elements and prefer 3D Elements instead. 😉
There's a guy on youtube that has done enough side-by-side comparisons to basically earn an honours in 3D pop called camera conspiracy (fun watch). He's not big on the ED either IIRC, or at least wants some elements to counteract it or something.
From everyting I've seen of the CV 65mm A-L, it looks like an amazing lens, and I do see a little 3D pop.
When I compared my nokton 50mmf1.2 to the 50mmf2 a-l, the nokton had more pop.
I don't think I want a lot of pop always. I like some samyang flat images, some zeiss pop. Variety is nice.
What I actually want is a medium format film look in a compact full-frame digital lens that isn't overly sharp. Ultra smooth background blur that isn't distractingly smooth like sigma, very nice falloff, not subtle but advancing well and very smoothly, and 0 distortion. 40-45mm focal length.
I have a feeling the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 might be the closest thing to that.
Well off-topic but anyway. I like this lens. I wish I didn't need to get 3 28mm.
Nokton for dual purpose on Sony, Simera for environmental portrait edge, APO for clean walkabout.
It'd be nice if one just did alll, and really, if you're not that fussy, then they all probably do do that.
And what am I gonna do with all this glass, how do I stop them from deteriorating with basalm separation and dust and fungus etc.
I've seen brilliant examples in this thread of environmental portraits with the 28mm. But man, how often will I get to make the most of that, and in that situation wouldn't the APO's f2 be enough - even though it will probably feel like f2.8. They're going to secretly hate everytime I pull out the 28mm and be in slapping distance with a lens in their face and capturing the neighbours trashcans in the frame. I dunno. Not in a rush but still, it's getting a bit silly for me. Definitely nice for variety so not every shot is looks like a 50mm shot and pushes you to frame differently.
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Happydan wrote:
I already commented that I dont find the CV65s rendering to pop
I said that it’s rather optical perfection
But you probably didn’t read my post before writing this.
I did read your earlier post and when you said:
"What I’m gathering right now is that more ED does not translate to natural 3D face profiles.
I’m seeing this with the CV 65 which has no ED compared to the CV110 that is almost entirely made of ED glass - although they both correct chromatically excellently (APO)
The portrait pictures I’m seeing from the 110 apo are not nice"
It seems to me you were saying the CV 65 translates to better natural 3D face profiles than the CV 110. Now that you realize that the CV 65 has a lot of ED elements you have changed your view of it. That seems to be seeing what you believe rather than basing what you believe on what you see, but you are free to believe and see whatever you want.
I do think ED glass suppresses chromatic aberrations, but I don't think it has any relation to 3D pop. I also don't think the Thypoch Simera lenses lead to more 3D pop either. Don't get me wrong. They come at a great price. They are generally fairly small. The floating element designs allow nice performance at MFD. They generally control chromatic aberrations quite well. And the bokeh is pretty nice from most of the lenses as well. For my tastes, however, I think they are a bit low contrast wide open and I find it annoying that they didn't adjust the design when they have offered them in other mounts that Leica M. They are good options, but the magical thinking around them is a bit much.
+1
Great post!
Don’t discount the simeras 14 aperture blades that are perfectly circular throughout the range
It’s a real joy to see those aperature blades stay circular
Making it difficult to go back to edgy specular highlights for me TBH
And regarding the 28 focal length, go out in nature like the Russian member! You’ll capture so much more in your frame
Yogifi wrote:
There's a guy on youtube that has done enough side-by-side comparisons to basically earn an honours in 3D pop called camera conspiracy (fun watch). He's not big on the ED either IIRC, or at least wants some elements to counteract it or something.
From everyting I've seen of the CV 65mm A-L, it looks like an amazing lens, and I do see a little 3D pop.
When I compared my nokton 50mmf1.2 to the 50mmf2 a-l, the nokton had more pop.
I don't think I want a lot of pop always. I like some samyang flat images, some zeiss pop. Variety is nice.
What I actually want is a medium format film look in a compact full-frame digital lens that isn't overly sharp. Ultra smooth background blur that isn't distractingly smooth like sigma, very nice falloff, not subtle but advancing well and very smoothly, and 0 distortion. 40-45mm focal length.
I have a feeling the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 might be the closest thing to that.
Well off-topic but anyway. I like this lens. I wish I didn't need to get 3 28mm.
Nokton for dual purpose on Sony, Simera for environmental portrait edge, APO for clean walkabout.
It'd be nice if one just did alll, and really, if you're not that fussy, then they all probably do do that.
And what am I gonna do with all this glass, how do I stop them from deteriorating with basalm separation and dust and fungus etc.
I've seen brilliant examples in this thread of environmental portraits with the 28mm. But man, how often will I get to make the most of that, and in that situation wouldn't the APO's f2 be enough - even though it will probably feel like f2.8. They're going to secretly hate everytime I pull out the 28mm and be in slapping distance with a lens in their face and capturing the neighbours trashcans in the frame. I dunno. Not in a rush but still, it's getting a bit silly for me. Definitely nice for variety so not every shot is looks like a 50mm shot and pushes you to frame differently....Show more →
