Rumors have been all over the place on this, but Patrick is now calling it a "digital half frame" camera, which I'd take to mean the sensor is a 20-ish-mp version of the X-Trans 5 and vertical inside the body.
Does anyone want this? The whole point of half frame with film is economics and stretching film longer, which of course doesn't apply to digital.
If Fuji wanted to be totally nuts, they'd make the default ratio 9:16 for native phone posting.
Rumors have been all over the place on this, but Patrick is now calling it a "digital half frame" camera, which I'd take to mean the sensor is a 20-ish-mp version of the X-Trans 5 and vertical inside the body.
Does anyone want this? The whole point of half frame with film is economics and stretching film longer, which of course doesn't apply to digital.
If Fuji wanted to be totally nuts, they'd make the default ratio 9:16 for native phone posting.
Digital half-frame related to Fx is essentially M43 isn't it?
However, a digital half frame of the 100MP sensor *could be* essentially a full GFX width sensor at a 3:8 aspect ratio instead of 3:4, for a 50MP pano format. 3:8 is very, very close to the 24:65 aspect...
gear-nut wrote:
Digital half-frame related to Fx is essentially M43 isn't it?
However, a digital half frame of the 100MP sensor *could be* essentially a full GFX width sensor at a 3:8 aspect ratio instead of 3:4, for a 50MP pano format. 3:8 is very, very close to the 24:65 aspect...
I have to imagine that whatever they mean they would choose the actual sensor size to try and maximize iq for whatever mount they are doing this for (X or G). I assumed they meant this would be for X mount cameras and have the same aspect ratio and orientation as Half Frame for 35mm does.
foto16 wrote:
Isn’t Half Frame roughly 4:3 APSC, compared to what we typically understand as Full Frame? What new would this format bring relative to APSC?
Correct, it should take the 24mm x 36mm format, divide it in half to produce 18mm x 24mm, which is a 4:3 aspect ratio.
I’m really mystified by this report. This format would have roughly the area of APS-C sensors, but just with a modified aspect ratio.
I actually like 4:3 myself, and it is my default for most of my photographs that don’t end up square or in 16:9. But it is hard to imagine what demand, real or imagined, is met by introducing yet another a new digital format with that design.
I guess it gives 4:3 in a format that is a little larger than MFT, but that hardly seems like something the world is clamoring for.
gdanmitchell wrote:
Correct, it should take the 24mm x 36mm format, divide it in half to produce 18mm x 24mm, which is a 4:3 aspect ratio.
I’m really mystified by this report. This format would have roughly the area of APS-C sensors, but just with a modified aspect ratio.
I actually like 4:3 myself, and it is my default for most of my photographs that don’t end up square or in 16:9. But it is hard to imagine what demand, real or imagined, is met by introducing yet another a new digital format with that design.
I guess it gives 4:3 in a format that is a little larger than MFT, but that hardly seems like something the world is clamoring for.
Hey, why not? I like having a 4:3 native aspect ratio in the GFX I'm sure I would like it in X but this is a little different as I understand it would be 4:3 in "portrait" orientation. Which is a bit interesting. But if it's the same lenses then why not give photographers a choice of their preferred aspect ratio as the full sensor? It's just more choice for photographers, I don't see a downside to having the option.
A 4:3 half frame GFX sensor in portrait mode is not going to happen, so forget about it. I don't see the point of making a half frame APS-C portrait mode sensor either so forget about that too. I'm sure Fuji rumours will issue a clarifying update in a day or two once the chatter dies down.
Geoff D F wrote:
A 4:3 half frame GFX sensor in portrait mode is not going to happen, so forget about it. I don't see the point of making a half frame APS-C portrait mode sensor either so forget about that too. I'm sure Fuji rumours will issue a clarifying update in a day or two once the chatter dies down.
They could be saying half frame just because a sensor in a vertical orientation reminds them of that.
Fuji has a history of 645 medium format fixed lens cameras that shot vertical negatives.
So these two rumors could be the same camera – fixed lens GFX and a new (vertical) sensor format.
If they really wanted to go crazy, they would even use the 54x40.5 sensor close to actual 645 size. No reason they have to stay with 44x33 if it's a fixed lens camera.
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highdesertmesa wrote:
They could be saying half frame just because a sensor in a vertical orientation reminds them of that.
Fuji has a history of 645 medium format fixed lens cameras that shot vertical negatives.
So these two rumors could be the same camera – fixed lens GFX and a new (vertical) sensor format.
If they really wanted to go crazy, they would even use the 54x40.5 sensor close to actual 645 size. No reason they have to stay with 44x33 if it's a fixed lens camera.
Portrait orientation of 645 was common because of the way roll film works, with a right-hand thumb winder and a VF at the top of the camera. 645 was popular for weddings where portraits were needed and 645 provided acceptable quality for enlargements. There is no need with a digital sensor, as you can just add a vertical grip to an existing design.
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Geoff D F wrote:
Portrait orientation of 645 was common because of the way roll film works, with a right-hand thumb winder and a VF at the top of the camera. 645 was popular for weddings where portraits were needed and 645 provided acceptable quality for enlargements. There is no need with a digital sensor, as you can just add a vertical grip to an existing design.
Is it still mansplaining if it’s to another man
Yeah I know about the history and the why, I used them back in the day, including for weddings. Fuji also made rugged collapsible 645 vertical fixed lens cameras for landscape trekking, etc. Later they made autofocus point and shoot fixed lens variants. Do I need to splain back how vertical orientation is popular today and how a camera that shoots verticals without having to rotate it might be at the convergence of old and new?
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highdesertmesa wrote:
Sounds very Pentax-y
It does. But don’t forget that small film point-and-shoot cameras with good lenses (Contax, Yashica) go for insane prices at the moment. There’s apparently a segment for cool, small cameras. Since that’s a younger crowd, it’s all the more attractive.
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A lot of people speculate that it's going to be 1/2 the size of a FF sensor, but it also could be 1/2 of an APS-C sensor instead.
Plus, people mention the the Pentax 17 camera but the Kodak Ektar 35 camera might be just as popular if not moreso (far less expensive, more automated, fewer features).
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Correct, it should take the 24mm x 36mm format, divide it in half to produce 18mm x 24mm, which is a 4:3 aspect ratio.
I’m really mystified by this report. This format would have roughly the area of APS-C sensors, but just with a modified aspect ratio.
I actually like 4:3 myself, and it is my default for most of my photographs that don’t end up square or in 16:9. But it is hard to imagine what demand, real or imagined, is met by introducing yet another a new digital format with that design.
I guess it gives 4:3 in a format that is a little larger than MFT, but that hardly seems like something the world is clamoring for.
Oh, I don't know. I would seriously consider a 4:3 APS sensor camera. It would be the perfect companion to the GFX, and could presumably use X-mount lenses. Plus it would have about 89% more sensor surface than a m43 camera.
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Don't think that Fujifilm's parent company will allow them to spend money on a "new" format. They hardly have enough money to manufacture their current portfolio in sufficient quantities. None of their recent cameras are im any way groundbraking. Mostly minor updates to exisiting models and a strange film simulation dial. Whatever money Fuji has to invest - they should invest this a redesign of their AF-sytem, and a new rangerfinder style body. Fujirumors says 1" sensor in portrait position? Who the hell needs that? Who the hell would use such a camera in addition to their phone which does the same thing and delivers the same image quality?
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Fuji is a large conglomerate with plenty of financial backing. I'm sure they are like every other company that doesn't increase production every time there is a spike in demand. Maybe they exceeded their sales estimates with recent cameras but they might be happy to have back orders and eventually catch up vs. building what would eventually be an oversize production line.
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SGinNorcal wrote:
Fuji is a large conglomerate with plenty of financial backing. I'm sure they are like every other company that doesn't increase production every time there is a spike in demand. Maybe they exceeded their sales estimates with recent cameras but they might be happy to have back orders and eventually catch up vs. building what would eventually be an oversize production line.
Fuji is a large company - but their camera part is small and run as a "service to society" (as the CEo once said). Don't think they can go to the mothership and ask for resources. They need to make do with what they generate. And I would very much hope that they use that money for something good.
What new would this format bring relative to APSC?