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p.3 #1 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I am surprised that on FM after scanning this thread that no one made a pitch for how the 24GM has such lovely rendering. About 5 years ago, I rented it and fell in love with then OOF draw. After a few years and getting lenses I "needed" to round out my kit, I came back to the 24GM and finally bought a copy. For me, at least, it is an optic I will never sell. There is something magical to me about photos taken with it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52347961167_b31cf148fa_h.jpgloaves in by Albert Lew, on Flickr



Oct 08, 2024 at 06:12 AM
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p.3 #2 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I appreciate your right to your opinion, as others have a right to theirs (including Lloyd).
How others form their opinions about vaccines is up to them.
Anyway, I’m here for camera gear discussion, so let’s get back on topic 😉

J



Oct 08, 2024 at 07:31 AM
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p.3 #3 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


Q cameras to Q Anon.
You just have to believe.

Anyways, AstraZeneca is the bottom of the barrel of Covid vaccines.



Oct 08, 2024 at 08:53 AM
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p.3 #4 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


Newenglandrocks wrote:
I am surprised that on FM after scanning this thread that no one made a pitch for how the 24GM has such lovely rendering. About 5 years ago, I rented it and fell in love with then OOF draw. After a few years and getting lenses I "needed" to round out my kit, I came back to the 24GM and finally bought a copy. For me, at least, it is an optic I will never sell. There is something magical to me about photos taken with it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52347961167_b31cf148fa_h.jpgloaves in by Albert Lew, on Flickr


I foolishly sold this lens and your characterization is accurate, but it is neither a small, or light prime.



Oct 08, 2024 at 09:39 AM
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p.3 #5 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


All of the mentioned lenses are great to excellent, but keep in mind that the original poster priorities lightness and compactness in absolute terms. In relative terms, all of the mentioned lenses are light and compact, though.

The Samyang AF 24mm f/2.8 would come to mind, being in its own class in terms of size and weight, then Sony 24mm f/2.8 G, Sigma 24mm f/3.5 DN in "second" class, Samyang AF 24mm f/1.8 in "third" class, being similiar in terms of weight compared to the 24 f/3.5 DN, though less compact, Sigma 24mm f/2 DN, Zeiss Batis 25mm f/2 and Zeiss Loxia 25mm f/2.4, being in "fourth" class, and at last, Sony 24mm f/1.4 GM, being in the "fifth" class. I would skip the Sigma 24mm f/1.4 DN altogether, as it isn't light or compact in comparison.

For most, there will of course be other priorities as well. If one uses the first generation a7C, I think the 24 f/2.8 AF is fine, but I would opt for the 24 f/2.8 G or 24 f/3.5 DN for the a7C II and a7C R. They will resolve most of the potential resolution, while still having the features of bigger lenses, as the aperture ring, switches and some or "full" weather sealing. If faster apertures are needed, then 24 f/1.8 AF or 24 f/2 DN, but they don't necessarily resolve any perceptible difference.

If one uses the larger Sony full-frame camera bodies, I think the 24 f/2 DN, 24 f/1.8 AF, 25 f/2 Batis and 25mm f/2.4 Loxia are more fitting. Once moving to the bigger camera bodies, I don't think the 100-150 grams spared from lenses justify "losing" 1-1,5 stops of light. At least I wouldn't use such camera bodies, if all I opted for was the lightest and most compact primes and vice versa, but they do make sense with a mixture of lenses in different classes of size and weight.
I would only get the 25mm f/2.4 Loxia, if you want to continue your series of Loxia lenses, due to rendering (colour and sunstars), haptics, et cetera. Other than that, you will get similiar performance at "landscape apertures", and might as well go for the much lighter and more compact 24mm f/2.8 G and 24mm f/3.5 DN lenses. One can definitely notice the size and weight difference on the a7C cameras.

I use the a7C R, and I either stop down, or just don't need anything faster for architecture and landscape, but that's specifically for my usage. If I did some low light, I would get the 24mm f/1.8 AF or 24mm f/2 DN, if I did some astro or portraits, I would get the 24mm f/1.4 GM, and if I had a stronger desire for manual focus and "Cosina rendering", I would get the 25mm f/2.4 Loxia. Simple as that.

If lightness and compactness aren't of utmost priority, the 24 f/1.4 GM will be the gold standard, of course. Again, the GM is by no means large, but it's all relative.



Oct 08, 2024 at 10:26 AM
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p.3 #6 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I have had 3 lenses in this focal length on Sony E.
The 24gm is pretty small as far as 1.4 lenses go and is wonderful. It has nice bokeh and smooth rendering more so than intensely GMII sharp.
Loxia 25 is my best lens. It can make a dull subject interesting in the right light. Smallish but there is a lot of glass and it probably is as heavy as 24GM.
Sigma 24 3.5 is awesome on my A7C. The setup can dangle on my neck around my shoulder and it is not a burden traveling or hiking or sightseeing. I think the Sony 24G would probably be similar. If I were to travel with lots of walking and sightseeing that is your best direction IMHO.
The reason I am so interested in reading the responses is I want to get the Sigma 24 again. I really think that this focal length is a better bet than 35 for what your plan is. Wide but that distortion doesn't really creep in.



Oct 08, 2024 at 11:09 AM
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p.3 #7 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


MARKFER wrote:
I have had 3 lenses in this focal length on Sony E.
The 24gm is pretty small as far as 1.4 lenses go and is wonderful. It has nice bokeh and smooth rendering more so than intensely GMII sharp.
Loxia 25 is my best lens. It can make a dull subject interesting in the right light. Smallish but there is a lot of glass and it probably is as heavy as 24GM.
Sigma 24 3.5 is awesome on my A7C. The setup can dangle on my neck around my shoulder and it is not a burden traveling or hiking or sightseeing.
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Most modern lenses don't have much if any distortion after built-in corrections. Some are of course noticeably hindered by such correction in terms of sharpness in the outer frame, but I think that it's mostly worth the compromise.

It's more about perspective distortion, and often one would need a much wider lens (and crop in) or a tilt lens, than otherwise necessary, if one wants their lines straight (90° to subject, though one can never be 90° to the whole subject at once). Of course there's also the nature of wide angles "straightening", the further one gets in to the corners, due to being wider than the sensor format. That's true, whether using zooms or primes, as many compositions might have a different aspect than what any format's aspect ratios provide.

Here, one can't simply zoom or move around, but must crop to a certain degree (perhaps check my Flickr to get a visual representation (perhaps the album 'København'), (not claiming that my images are wonderful)).
That's why I added the Laowa 9mm f/5.6 to my kit, though I haven't used it to its full potential yet due to having changed motives. Just as nothing is "long" enough for wildlife, nothing is "wide" enough for (some) architecture. Haven't used it for a while, as I switched to Fujifilm X for a bit, but I'm going to use it again now.

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Oct 08, 2024 at 12:04 PM
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p.3 #8 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens



MARKFER wrote:
The reason I am so interested in reading the responses is I want to get the Sigma 24 again. I really think that this focal length is a better bet than 35 for what your plan is. Wide but that distortion doesn't really creep in.


I have been coming around to this same conclusion. Also, I now have the 40mm G lens, so didn’t intend to keep the 35mm in my light travel kit. My Monochrom kit includes a very small compact 21mm Zeiss ZM at maximum aperture of f/4.5. Last vacation, I used that lens for 40% of my shots. I suspect that 24mm would be more useful. I would think that your 24mm Loxia would work for travel. Stop down to f/4.0, or 5.6 and zone focus.



Oct 08, 2024 at 12:23 PM
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p.3 #9 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


jaybr wrote:
I appreciate your right to your opinion, as others have a right to theirs (including Lloyd).
How others form their opinions about vaccines is up to them.
Anyway, I’m here for camera gear discussion, so let’s get back on topic 😉

J


I sincerely hope you are back to 100% very soon.

I never said Lloyd is not entitled to his own opinions. To be honest @Steve Spencer put it far more eloquently than I could have speaking to the anti-vax issue.

Lloyd trying to pass these beliefs off as being credible is another matter altogether.

He frequently cites "The Epoch Times" as references. They should be renamed to "Tinfoil Hats R Us"

That group actively promotes the racist "Great Replacement", QAnon and false claims of election fraud in the US in addition to spreading vaccination misinformation.

Yes - I have some strong feelings about anyone that promulgates that kind of nonsense and on topic - seeing that guy use ridiculous settings to create artifacts and then proclaiming a camera to be useless in reckless at best.

Anyone that would stoop to that level for clickbait is not someone I would cite as a reputable source.

He's not always wrong though - Sprinter vans and Macs are great.



The Leica Qs take photos that just plain look good. The need for software correction doesn't make the lens a poor lens. It just means use the right software for the job.

Unless your photography involves shooting brick walls, deactivating software corrections and then pixel peeping you'll love the overall package.

On topic again - for compact travel I prefer the 20-70 for the flexibility but if a prime is a must - the 24 GM would be a slam dunk imo.



Oct 08, 2024 at 12:46 PM
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p.3 #10 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


Why not the 24-50/2.8 as a general purpose travel lens?

Personally I wouldn't bother with a manual focus lens on the a7CR/ii - the EVF is too small, for me at least. Back screen focusing can be tough in certain light conditions. Part of the reason to shoot Sony is their stellar AF so why not enjoy it on some of their modern lenses.

Reg 20/1.8 G - it punches above it weight class, great for night time shooting as well but if you shoot people in your scenes I found the 20mm to be a bit too wide.

Reg 24 GM - it has special sauce. But do you really need a f/1.4 lens?



Oct 08, 2024 at 01:01 PM
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p.3 #11 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I find it very easy to manually focus with the a7C cameras, and I'm coming from the a7R V. The whole point of the a7C cameras is prioritising lightness and compactness.

I don't think the 24-50mm f/2.8 G makes much sense in the poster's kit, as they seem to prefer primes, and they already have several primes in that range. When going that route, I think the 20-70mm f/4 makes more sense, unless f/2.8 is absolutely necessary.

I do get the appeal of a compact prime setup. Oftentimes, the overall balance on the camera can mean more than the weight itself, although the weight of the prime set is similiar to the zoom. It can feel like less of a burden to drag when having a lighter lens attached and another lighter lens stored somewhere else. It of course has its own compromises.
But then again, that's just me.



Oct 08, 2024 at 01:19 PM
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p.3 #12 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I just received the 20-70mm G and I’m amazed at how small and well balanced it is on the A7CR. I’m relaxing my standard sense of small because it is a zoom lens. In hand it feels like my old 24mm GM felt on the A9. My only model is my dog, but the camera easily identified her eye while shooting inside @ f/4.0.


Oct 08, 2024 at 02:08 PM
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p.3 #13 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


Newenglandrocks wrote:
I am surprised that on FM after scanning this thread that no one made a pitch for how the 24GM has such lovely rendering.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52347961167_b31cf148fa_h.jpgloaves in by Albert Lew, on Flickr


I just went through some old 24mm GM images and wow, you are right..a special rendering.

This lens has been around for some time now, I wonder when it will get the GMII treatment with new linear motors and somewhat smaller size?



Oct 08, 2024 at 04:43 PM
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p.3 #14 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I have tested a lot of these lenses being mentioned and in all truth THE BEST of them are

Manual Focus Loxia 25mm
AF than the Sony 24mm 1.4

Those are the top but others are quite good at that 24mm mark But you all put money first and IQ second, trust me you all do it. I put IQ first than figure out what bank I need to rob to get it.

Im more a Sony lens guy than I am Sigma and other 3rd party so im am biased on that fact. Not on IQ though but I like the functionality of Sony lenses . Most have 2 custom functions on the lens . Owning a A7CR you are limited more on custom functions than the A7RV and a big reason I go for Sony. Some even have real aperture rings.

But those 2 lense are not cheap in price. Comes down to you get what you pay for. You can cheat all day long with Samsung which I never had a great Samsung or Tamron either. You have to decide what you want

I actually think the Loxia 25mm is the better optic but its very close



Oct 08, 2024 at 06:01 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I have tested a lot of these lenses being mentioned and in all truth THE BEST of them are

Manual Focus Loxia 25mm
AF than the Sony 24mm 1.4

Those are the top but others are quite good at that 24mm mark But you all put money first and IQ second, trust me you all do it. I put IQ first than figure out what bank I need to rob to get it.

Im more a Sony lens guy than I am Sigma and other 3rd party so im am biased on that fact. Not on IQ though but I like the functionality
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Is it just my imagination, or some form of projection where I feel like the colors are just more vibrant and alive directly out of the camera with Loxia lenses? Maybe it is that subjects look more 3-D. Perhaps it’s just another way of liking Zeiss micro contrast. Maybe it’s nothing more than my imagination.



Oct 08, 2024 at 06:44 PM
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Pretty much comes down to lens coatings. Zeiss does a great job here. My best lens coatings are Zeiss and Leica but that maybe subjective for some


Oct 08, 2024 at 06:47 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I have tested a lot of these lenses being mentioned and in all truth THE BEST of them are

Manual Focus Loxia 25mm
AF than the Sony 24mm 1.4

Those are the top but others are quite good at that 24mm mark But you all put money first and IQ second, trust me you all do it. I put IQ first than figure out what bank I need to rob to get it.

Im more a Sony lens guy than I am Sigma and other 3rd party so im am biased on that fact. Not on IQ though but I like the functionality
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TLDR - this is all off topic regarding 24-25mm primes

Guy - I agree with about 99% of what you espouse, but I gotta call you out on three things:

  1. A lot of people here on FM prioritize image quality over money, myself included
  2. I feel the SY50AFII is great at rendering and IQ. AF, build quality and haptics are meh. I acknowledge cheaping out here since I don't like shooting 50
  3. The Tamron 28-200 is best in class. It is startlingly good at all focal lengths. The best full frame superzoom ever made, according to some




Oct 08, 2024 at 08:12 PM
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I know I know im a pig and like the best in class. There are some good ones out there . I do hope people are looking at IQ first but I just don't read it as much as I would like. Im not a 50 fan either and maybe that Samsung is good . I just have had bad luck with that brand


Oh and calling me out is a good thing. Take no offense whatsoever



Oct 08, 2024 at 08:56 PM
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patotts wrote:
Why not the 24-50/2.8 as a general purpose travel lens?

Personally I wouldn't bother with a manual focus lens on the a7CR/ii - the EVF is too small, for me at least. Back screen focusing can be tough in certain light conditions. ….

Reg 24 GM - it has special sauce. But do you really need a f/1.4 lens?


21mm-25mm are pretty easy to zone focus. Many of the Loxia lenses reach center to edge sharpness when using apertures that are zone focus friendly, but this is a totally different look than the f/1.4 capture. I have another system with only autofocus relatively bright lenses, so not adverse to autofocus and also ‘M’ cameras that are only manual focus. Sometimes the limitations imposed by the equipment make the experience of getting the shot more rewarding.



Oct 08, 2024 at 09:40 PM
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p.3 #20 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


philip_pj wrote:
Lloyd probably tried hard too, but his challenge was with the 'the standout dilettante lens on the market today.'

'For images that look great without large magnification, the Q3 should satisfy. I was shocked when Leica failed to update the 28mm f/1.7 lens from the original Leica Q for the Leica Q2. What was barely adequate on the 24-megapixel Q with visibly poor outer-zone sharpness became obviously unsharp (large outer zone area) on the 45-megapixel Q2. The marketing hoopla is at your expense, if you’re expecting sharp images.

Rarely (never) has a camera been so misrepresented as to its potential capture detail.
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If you've used the Sony 28mm f/2 lens, how does its output compare to the 28mm f/1.7 lens on the Q/Q2/Q3 cameras in terms of sharpness in the outer zone and overall look of images? Better, worse, or about the same?



Oct 08, 2024 at 11:57 PM
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