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liggy wrote:
I sincerely hope you are back to 100% very soon.

I never said Lloyd is not entitled to his own opinions. To be honest @Steve Spencer@ put it far more eloquently than I could have speaking to the anti-vax issue.

Lloyd trying to pass these beliefs off as being credible is another matter altogether.

He frequently cites "The Epoch Times" as references. They should be renamed to "Tinfoil Hats R Us"

That group actively promotes the racist "Great Replacement", QAnon and false claims of election fraud in the US in addition to spreading vaccination misinformation.

Yes - I have some strong
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I appreciate and respect your right to your opinion.
I believe we should always have an open mind and question theories, if we don’t question, we stifle creativity, invention and development. Coincidentally, Joe Rogan just posted a new interview with Michael Shellenberger. Interesting and relevant discussion around 25 minutes in:



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Oct 10, 2024 at 04:07 AM
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p.4 #2 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


jaybr wrote:
I appreciate and respect your right to your opinion.
I believe we should always have an open mind and question theories, if we don’t question, we stifle creativity, invention and development. Coincidentally, Joe Rogan just posted a new interview with Michael Shellenberger. Interesting and relevant discussion around 25 minutes in:



J


I agree that we should be open to questioning theories. After all, we would still think the world is flat and the universe revolved around the Earth if people didn't question the prevailing theories in their day. Perhaps we can also agree, however, that when you question theories you need to properly evaluate evidence for that theory and not simply buy into any idea someone has questioning a theory just because it sounds compelling or because it reinforces other beliefs one holds. The question when questioning a theory is what evidence is there for the original theory vs. the new idea that is questioning it?

I would further argue that doing a Google search is not a good way to evaluate the evidence for a theory. Google searches are not unbiased and their algorithms can easily lead people to a very biased evaluation of the evidence. In the case of vaccines, I would argue that you need to know and have read the scientific literature on vaccines to properly evaluate the evidence and you can't read just a spotty version of that scientific literature based on biased Google searches.

It really is no different with photography equipment. How do you evaluate the evidence about something you read? You can do a a Google search, but you have to realize it might be biased. You can read Lloyd Chambers but you have to realize his evaluations might be biased and he hides a lot of stuff behind a paywall so it is hard to evaluate his claims unless you pay his substantial fees. I don't think his views are worth that cost. You of course are free to feel differently and pay his fees if you would like. Fortunately, with photography we can generate our own data (i.e., take our own pictures) to help us evaluate something we hear. We can also see the pictures that others present and that can help us by providing new evidence. Still sorting out the evidence takes time and patience and people often rush to judgments without a careful analysis of the evidence. People often judge an idea not based on the evidence but on how compelling they find it. People often judge an idea based on whether it supports other beliefs they have (like they made a good choice in the gear they bought). And people become very committed to beliefs for which there is not good evidence partly because they have argued for those beliefs.

I am not going to comment on the video you posted. I think this is not the place to do so, but I do wish you the very best and hope you feel better soon.



Oct 10, 2024 at 04:44 AM
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I know I know im a pig and like the best in class. There are some good ones out there . I do hope people are looking at IQ first but I just don't read it as much as I would like. Im not a 50 fan either and maybe that Samsung is good . I just have had bad luck with that brand

Oh and calling me out is a good thing. Take no offense whatsoever


Back to the topic (cameras and gear - I have no idea how "replacement theory" came in here!)

I have had mixed luck with Samyang as well and shy away from buying their products. It was only a post here on FM on the 50 that made me pull the trigger. I had their MF 12mm for APS-C and contrast and colors were pretty meh. Astro / Milky Way shots needed a ton of work in post compared to using the 20G or 14GM . And then I bought the SY45 tiny lens from someone here on FM. Ugh. Hated the lens - nasty OOF rendering and specular highlights and I had a lot of missed AF situations.

I've concluded that my problem is I don't like shooting 50, so unlike all other lens buying decisions, my goal is to be cheap. This leads to decision paralysis for what I use least in my kit. At some point I owned three extra cheap 50s and finally just sold them all. 🤦🏻‍♂️



Oct 10, 2024 at 06:19 AM
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p.4 #4 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


Steve Spencer wrote:
I agree that we should be open to questioning theories. After all, we would still think the world is flat and the universe revolved around the Earth if people didn't question the prevailing theories in their day. Perhaps we can also agree, however, that when you question theories you need to properly evaluate evidence for that theory and not simply buy into any idea someone has questioning a theory just because it sounds compelling or because it reinforces other beliefs one holds. The question when questioning a theory is what evidence is there for the original theory vs. the
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You raise some points that we agree on (not all). I don’t draw any conclusions from google searches. I also don’t believe everything I’m told either, hence my open mind (definitely not a flat earther).
My original point in this thread was to object to people being labeled as “tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists” when they may/may not have experienced proven adverse reactions from vaccines:

“That guy you quote is a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist that I trust as far as I could throw him.
The guy is a rabid Anti-vaxxer. And touts DMSO for some reason.
IIRC he contracted COVID and complained vociferously about having long term covid symptoms. Oopsie.
His rants can be amusing at times for a little while”

There’s no proven evidence whether these adverse reactions are related to vaccines, and no evidence to prove that they’re not. My experience has been that medical specialist I have seen have been reluctant to even investigate a link, even when they’ve been made aware my symptoms occurred within a week after receiving my second AstraZeneca shot. They give me the standard line that “the effects of COVID far outweigh the side effects of the vaccine”.

I’ll leave this topic there, because I agree this isn’t the place, hence my objection.

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Oct 10, 2024 at 06:24 AM
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@Frederik0711@

Your posts were quite helpful. It is so easy to set out to put together a small, light package and get distracted by the obvious charms of larger lenses, such as the 24mm GM lens. It is also easy to want to purchase beautifully rendering lenses, that might make great images, but not make it to your travel kit. I’m thinking of the Loxia 25mm here where the images coming out of that lens are amazing, but when I travel with a camera, I only take two lenses maximum and this means I either take the Loxia 21mm, or 25mm and the 49mm G. So, one of the wide Loxias go unused. I do take two camera systems, but only use one system on any given day. I enjoy traveling with lenses that force me to see the environment through a different perspective. I purchased the 20-70mm for a more general lens, but I doubt that I will travel with it. Every time I’m falling to the urge of buying the 24 & 35mm GM lenses, or another Loxia, I go back to Lightroom and look at equivalent focal lengths in medium format and that ends that, I take the FF lens out of my B&H cart. I have three distinct systems and each is for specific purposes. By far, the M11 Monochrom provides the greatest satisfaction. It is light, images are impactful and it will take great images with almost no light. It brings back the joy of B&W photography with a much expanded skill set. Medium format provides a quality and look that I like. X2D images processed through Phocus are amazing, or at least can be amazing. The f/2.5 v series of lenses provide just the right depth of field for so many images and the lenses are perfect wide open. For example, the 90mm at f/2.5 makes head shots with everything tack sharp (yikes) and beautiful bokeh. The down side is you are shooting an SL-3 size camera and so far, no eye autofocus.. So, the A7CR is by far the most technically capable camera. It can capture images in situations where the other systems are lost and it is almost Leica ‘M’ small. So, the small/capable is the most stellar part of this camera. Also, the range of lenses available for the FE mount are just staggering. I recently retired and sold many old bodies/lenses from Canon, Leica, Sony, Zeiss, Panasonic and Contax to fund my new cameras. It was a difficult thing to part with so many cameras and lenses that I love, but never use, but if you can part with some of yours and give up auto-everything, color and are shooting purely for your own satisfaction, give the M11 Monochrom a try.



Oct 10, 2024 at 08:36 AM
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p.4 #6 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I can't remember if it has been mentioned in this thread already, but I found the Batis 25mm perfect for the A7R4 and now for the A7CR. And it sounds like it would suit you too. Very handy to have f2.0, quite light, and the Zeiss rendering is lovely. A little bit of CA wide open if you are a lens tester (I am not) but easily cleaned up on the rare occasions it happens.


Oct 10, 2024 at 09:50 AM
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@Frederik0711@@

Your posts were quite helpful. It is so easy to set out to put together a small, light package and get distracted by the obvious charms of larger lenses, such as the 24mm GM lens. It is also easy to want to purchase beautifully rendering lenses, that might make great images, but not make it to your travel kit. I’m thinking of the Loxia 25mm here where the images coming out of that lens are amazing, but when I travel with a camera, I only take two lenses maximum and this means I either take the Loxia 21mm, or 25mm
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Thank you for your message!

I agree with everything you stated. I have owned several fast GM, DN primes and zooms, but I either don't take advantage of them or don't want to bring them. I think that bigger, "better" and faster lenses blind people to some extent, and can lead to a lot of aimless images. Most images don't turn out any better by doing so, but there are of course situations where that kind of separation supports the image or is necessary due to the lighting conditions.
It's rare that I even want anything out of focus unless it's proportionally distracting, or it's too much hasle to get all of it in focus. That's essentially true for most architecture, landscape, street, macro, et cetera.
It's true for portraits, too, where one should find a balance, which I mentioned in a previous post. The point is what's in focus.

It seems that we admire similiar tools. I have considered the Leica M11 (regular) and Hasselblad X2D several times. My wallet won't allow it for now as a student, and this is just a passion for me as well. I do get the appeal of a monochrome camera, especially for street (and some, but not all architecture), but most of my images are in colour, so it wouldn't make much sense.

I do plan to get a Leica, Hasselblad or both one day, as I admire the experience, haptics and look. It's not about Leica or Hasselblad themselves necessarily, but how they craft their cameras is unmatched. I'm sure that Voigtländer could make just as good "dirt cheap" modern rangefinders, though, and I would be all in. They already produce equal or superior lenses for way less. No idea why they don't take advantage of this, when there's no actual competition in the electronic rangefinder market. They already have good experience with rangefinders and of course excellent manual focus lenses of various focal lengths, apertures and design philosophies.

I'm not going to use film, and I still want high resolution, so only the M10-R and M11 cameras will do it for me, which obviously will set me more back in terms of cost compared to old, used Leica cameras. I love focusing through a rangefinder, but I use ultra-wide angle lenses way too often to bother. It kind of ruins the process, if I keep having to switch between the rangefinder, an attached electronic viewfinder (which looks peculiar), and the backscreen. That's why I went for the a7C R.

The same is true with Fujifilm producing medium format cameras, but they just don't craft them in a way that resonates with me, and the same is true with their way of rendering colour. The GFX system is like the FE system; practical and reasonably priced, but not as inspiring as other given systems. Still, FE is the most interesting full-frame system when it comes to anything other than Leica M, I think.



Oct 10, 2024 at 10:08 AM
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I believe we should always have an open mind and question theories, if we don’t question, we stifle creativity, invention and development.

This is the excuse that most conspiracy believers and flat earthers say, who are trying to reinvent the wheel pointlessly. Having an open mind also may mean good sense leaches out and crap enters.



Oct 10, 2024 at 03:22 PM
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Robin Smith wrote:
This is the excuse that most conspiracy believers and flat earthers say, who are trying to reinvent the wheel pointlessly. Having an open mind also may mean good sense leaches out and crap enters.


Thanks for your input.

J



Oct 10, 2024 at 06:35 PM
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p.4 #10 · How Do I Select The Best Light/Small 24mm/25mm Travel Lens


I’ve continued to look at 24/25mm lenses and considering Guy’s suggestion that AF might be a better choice in this focal length, I’ve been reading/watching reviews. The one lens that seems to tick all the boxes is the Samyang 24mm f/1.8. I only have one Samyang lens, but it means that I also have their Lens Station. When I think of Samyang I question longevity and initial centration of the lens. It is both lighter and faster than the Sigma f/2.0. It also has full weather sealing where the Sigma is only sealed at the mount. The Sigma is metal whereas the Samyang is..well..isn’t. The Samyang has a programmable toggle switch as does the Sigma, but like the Sony G and GM lenses, the Samyung has a focus hold (programmable) button. Optics seem quite good. It is heavier and larger than the Sony G lens, but like the Sigma, the bokeh is much more pleasing than the Sony G. It is smaller and lighter than the Sony f/1.4 and has similar levels of sharpness, with perhaps a bit less contrast and more vignetting and distortion. Autofocus seems fast and accurate with both human and animal autofocus. So, overall it looks like a very good small, light fast lens for the A7CR. Assuming a well centered copy, the only real downside that I see is a slight reduction in contrast compared to the GM and certainly compared to the Loxia 25mm.

?si=2MaDZrb69VvjIPwN" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Samyang 24mm f1.8 vs Sony 24mm f1.4 GM


I can never get links to work, but if you go to YouTube, you can find this review by Laszio Bella “Light Hunters”

Edited to correct focus hold button is on Samyung..not Sigma

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Oct 11, 2024 at 10:03 AM
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From my prospective I think 24 and longer should mostly be a AF lens as that's the most focal lengths that you may use with family , travel and event shooting but I go manual focus lenses with wider like 21,18,15,12 as here I believe you have more time in shooting , less of a hurry to get a shot and more accurate focusing by doing it yourself and frankly I just enjoy that process better. On my A7CR all I have to do is touch the focus ring and I get magnify mode immediately which lets me focus than drop out of that mode by hitting the shutter. I never liked that before but today I do it saves me a custom function button. Also wider than 24mm is manual focus these lenses are small so having a 3 lens bag is not a big deal at all. My CV 15 is very small and I can stack a lens on top of it in the bag. Im actually thinking of getting a 21mm lens and have 15/21/24-50. If you need it you can add a 65/75/85 and after that for normal travel event stuff you don't need much longer but you can add that 5th lens in a 135 or 70-200 but your not so much in vacation mode but you can leave that long lens behind as well or in the trunk of you car as well. When I taught workshops I left my long glassing the trunk and would go back to car to grab it when needed. Also remember if you have a 61mpx cam than you have that option to drop into APSC mode at 26mpx and that may save you that longer lens purchase. So just an idea on how to set yourself up. Plus there are some great very wide manual focus glass out there that does not cost a fortune and are quite good. My CV 15 used was 380 dollars that's a steal. I saw a used CV 21 1.4 for 700 so not bad with pricing. Now with the Sony 24-50 it has a AF/MF switch so I can drop into MF and get the same manual focus process with the magnifier . Lots of things you can consider and I do like optically Loxia, Voightlander glass . ON the 24mm front even a single focal length the 2.8 units are great from Sony and Sigma. Honestly manual focus feels like I actually worked at it. I like that to be honest


Oct 11, 2024 at 10:23 AM
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Now if you do buy Samsung than buy it new at our retail places as I have had some bad luck in the past. That way you can return them. Just my suggestion


Oct 11, 2024 at 10:33 AM
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Now if you do buy Samsung than buy it new at our retail places as I have had some bad luck in the past. That way you can return them. Just my suggestion


Always…for every camera, lens, or accessory..



Oct 11, 2024 at 10:51 AM
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From my prospective I think 24 and longer should mostly be a AF lens as that's the most focal lengths that you may use with family , travel and event shooting but I go manual focus lenses with wider like 21,18,15,12 as here I believe you have more time in shooting , less of a hurry to get a shot and more accurate focusing by doing it yourself and frankly I just enjoy that process better. On my A7CR all I have to do is touch the focus ring and I get magnify mode immediately which lets me focus than
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I do the same, 21mm and wider I’m happy (and prefer) to use manual focus lenses. 24mm and longer I prefer autofocus lenses. 50mm and longer I often use eyeAF, which is invaluable to me.

J



Oct 11, 2024 at 11:14 AM
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Shit I blame you guys.

Just grabbed the Voigtlander 21mm Used at Adorama. Open Box

So CV 15 and 21mm 1.4 and Sony 24-50



Oct 11, 2024 at 11:21 AM
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GMPhotography wrote:
Shit I blame you guys.

Just grabbed the Voigtlander 21mm Used at Adorama. Open Box

So CV 15 and 21mm 1.4 and Sony 24-50


I think you will love it and with a 1.33X (APS-H) crop it makes an awesome 28 f/1.8. You just have to get used to how much a crop of the frame that is, which for you I am sure will not be hard.



Oct 11, 2024 at 11:35 AM
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I think you will love it and with a 1.33X (APS-H) crop it makes an awesome 28 f/1.8. You just have to get used to how much a crop of the frame that is, which for you I am sure will not be hard.


You started it by bringing it up again. I had it once and really liked it

I do need a 21mm for group shots sometimes as they get quite large



Oct 11, 2024 at 11:42 AM
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GMPhotography wrote:
Shit I blame you guys.

Just grabbed the Voigtlander 21mm Used at Adorama. Open Box

So CV 15 and 21mm 1.4 and Sony 24-50


When are you using the 15mm. I assume mainly landscape.. possibly architectural, but with lots of care. The VG seems like the only sound choice @ 15mm.



Oct 11, 2024 at 12:30 PM
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The Laowa 15/2 is also a nice lens, but it's larger and heavier, and it has no signal connections so no EXIF, etc.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timdevinephotography/albums/72157699987600122/

I've also heard good things about the Nisi 15/4, but I don't have direct experience with it. It has the same signal limitation above.

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When are you using the 15mm. I assume mainly landscape.. possibly architectural, but with lots of care. The VG seems like the only sound choice @ 15mm.





Oct 11, 2024 at 01:08 PM
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#tsdevine#

I enjoyed looking at your Flickr images. Many great images.. including the 15mm images.. thanks..



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